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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 13:53:27 GMT -5
I think I'd go there as well. Would NOT offer 2 of Brown, #3 or 18 BRK. You can only have 1 of those things.
As to a roster player added in instead of some of those other pieces you mentioned? I'm torn.
I really believe Danny envisions Brown and either Hayward/Tatum/Jackson as his starting wings going long term (how soon, that starts, I don't know). But given his pending Free Agency, I doubt Bradley would be of interest.
We know Jackson loves Crowder but I think he'd be such a valuable replacement for Jerebko when/if JC gets moved to the 2nd unit (and his contract certainly fits there).
Smart? Let's not get into that debate again.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 14:05:49 GMT -5
Look? Surely But I wouldn't give up anything that wouldn't get laughed at here. What exactly don't you like about the Unicorn? I don't not like him but I'm not giving up things that treat him like a sure fire superstar which is how people talk about him and it's the type of packages I'm seeing so it's a pass as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 14:14:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't include next years Nets pick, it's off the table for me. I would easily include Brown if it meant keeping the #3 pick this year. I think Jackson and Tatum are a level above Brown.
Brown, Lakers pick and lets say another late first round pick, sign me up. I don't think the Knicks go for that though.
After the Lakers moves, if you don't get there pick next year. You get the Kings in 2019. Now they add two top 10 players from this loaded class and another guy in 2018. To a team that already has some good young players. That pick while still likely a lottery pick, might not be the top 5 pick we hope for.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 14:25:00 GMT -5
I would trade Crowder - the Lakers pick and the Clippers pick or the 3 this year and Crowder and the Celtics pick next year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 14:39:11 GMT -5
I really don't want to trade the 3 this year tho. I'm kind of on the Tatum train now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 14:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 14:57:21 GMT -5
This board is not as high on porzingis as most sites. I would not give up the 3 this year or the nets pick next year. But if the 3 this year is Jackson or more likely tatum I see 3 guys who are similar, so one would have to go. Plus if they get Hayward where would you find time for all 4 and still have to pay Hayward. Maybe throw in one of the duplicate guards. Smart or rozier. One maybe 1st rounder probably one of the celtic picks next year or the year after. I think porzingis with stevens could be an all star. he can run score, shoot 3's and rebound in traffic. He passes very well. Do you guys ever read Bill Simmons? He major's in cooking up trades. I wonder what he would do with this.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 14:59:38 GMT -5
Porzingis is a 35% three point shooter... people act like he's some deadeye shot tho.
Who are the 3 guys with similar skill sets? Brown, Tatum/Jackson and Hayward can all go exist.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 15:00:06 GMT -5
Isaac would be a very interesting pick. Not the scorer that the celt's need but a high motor guy who can guard multiple positions and passes pretty well.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 15:02:10 GMT -5
Isaac would be a very interesting pick. Not the scorer that the celt's need but a high motor guy who can guard multiple positions and passes pretty well. He's super raw but I like him. In February, I even liked him as much or more than Tatum |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 15:06:15 GMT -5
Supposedly Phoenix loves him at 4 (though whether they do over Jackson/Tatum) remains to be seen. If the guy they like is Isaac, I hope it's in a trade down (though I think you have to pick Jackson/Tatum and then do a hat switch after you're sure he's available when you pick).
Not sure he's the #1 guy that Danny talked about but it would be truly Aingian.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 15:18:16 GMT -5
Well I don't think giving up the #1 pick, well what we got for it is a superstar return. Look at what it took to get Love. It was a lot more than just the #1 pick. That package wouldn't come close to getting you Davis. If the Knicks want more you simply walk away.
I also don't want to trade the #3 pick, but I think that would be a deal breaker.
As to Tatum not fitting due to lack of mid range shots. That's why you get him. There's a reason we didn't attempt a bunch of them. We don't have many players that have good mid range skills. Bradley doesn't, Crowder is so so, but not really, Thomas only really attempts them when driving and the lane closes, Johnson didn't, Brown didn't. Horford has to have the best mid range game, but his shoot attempts come and go. We got to see it a lot more when Thomas went down in playoffs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 15:57:34 GMT -5
Porzingis is a 35% three point shooter... people act like he's some deadeye shot tho. Who are the 3 guys with similar skill sets? Brown, Tatum/Jackson and Hayward can all go exist. Go look at Dirks first two years compared to Porzingis, both age 20 and 21. The Unicorn was better. He scored more points, had more rebounds and blocks while playing less minutes at age 21. Dirk was a better shooter and had more assists. If the Unicorn takes the jump Dirk did in his third year we could have one heck of a team. Not saying he's the next Dirk, just trying to show how good his production has been. A 7'3'' PF shooting 35.7 % ftom 3 at age 21 is really good. It's not just limited attempts either, he had 4.8 per game. What makes the Unicorn special in my book, is that he is a two way player. He's hitting 3s and then goes back and is blocking shots. I do have a few questions though. While he improved some from age 20 to 21 it was a small jump. Dirk for example made a huge jump, then another one in year 3. It could be nothing, just him taking a slower curve because he was already great his rookie year. It is something to watch. How much more can he improve type thing. The biggest one is why would the Knicks trade him? I get they had a little problem, but it seemed to be about winning. I like a guy that cares about winning and can't stand to lose. Get mad, be upset, that's better than not caring. The Knicks are a mess, I don't fault a player for calling the team out. Jackson hasn't done a great job, that's for sure. Is this just Jackson trying to send a massage , do the Knicks have questions about the player or just Jackson seeing if he can get a killer offer he can't turn down? As much as I love Tatum and I do love him. Have all year. The Unicorn could be special. He litterally fills all of our needs. Scoring, rebounding and D. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 16:05:20 GMT -5
So any rumors on what we are doing with our high second round pick? Any players being mentioned? The talent level for that part of the draft is crazy high this year. It's basically a late first in normal draft. High chance you can get a rotational player.
Who do you guys want them to target?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 16:11:36 GMT -5
So any rumors on what we are doing with our high second round pick? Any players being mentioned? The talent level for that part of the draft is crazy high this year. It's basically a late first in normal draft. High chance you can get a rotational player. Who do you guys want them to target? Jonah Bolden Frank Jackson Dwayne Bacon Tony Bradley |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 16:16:43 GMT -5
I've seen some mocks with Justin Patton dropping. If over drafting a stash becomes a trend, the players at the top of the 2nd round could become even more interesting.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 16:21:27 GMT -5
It seems like a very weak interaction draft and Stash crop
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 16:25:22 GMT -5
Pacecniks and Hartenstein have been moving more consistently into the 1st. Bolden (who dropped out of college and played overseas) has started to appear in mocks (not sure if thats reflective of stashability).
Still, I agree. Doesn't appear to be as many candidates but bound to be a surprise or 2.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 21, 2017 16:39:06 GMT -5
Not feeling Jonathan Isaac. To me he is a 4 that can guard multiple positions but you can't run him out there as a 3 on offense for extended periods. Clearly below Tatum and Jackson for me.
And yes the Celtics lacked a mid range game but thats because they have a lot of guys who can't shoot. Thats why you want guys like Fultz, Tatum or Ball cause they add another dimension.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 16:56:13 GMT -5
Pacecniks and Hartenstein have been moving more consistently into the 1st. Bolden (who dropped out of college and played overseas) has started to appear in mocks (not sure if thats reflective of stashability). Still, I agree. Doesn't appear to be as many candidates but bound to be a surprise or 2. Bolden is a really athletic guy who can shoot the 3. Id love to get him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 16:57:02 GMT -5
Not feeling Jonathan Isaac. To me he is a 4 that can guard multiple positions but you can't run him out there as a 3 on offense for extended periods. Clearly below Tatum and Jackson for me. And yes the Celtics lacked a mid range game but thats because they have a lot of guys who can't shoot. Thats why you want guys like Fultz, Tatum or Ball cause they add another dimension. I don't necessarily agree with you here. Isaac was a guard who grew a ton. He's athletic and a versatile defender. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 16:58:50 GMT -5
Pelton thought if you forgot about college performance, you could see him much higher. Consider is 1 yr of school and he should probably not get drafted. The combo put him in the 20s for KPs "What I would do" mock.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 17:05:35 GMT -5
Sounds like Boston likes Smith (per a GM via the Herald). Not at 3, mind you.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2017 17:14:33 GMT -5
I like Smith
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 17:48:14 GMT -5
Sounds like Boston likes Smith (per a GM via the Herald). Not at 3, mind you. Kind of want the Celtics to dangle Brown to the Knicks at their spot in order to acquire Dennis Smith. |
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