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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2017 21:28:27 GMT -5
If the deal is Crowder/Bradley, Brown and the #3 pick, you have to do that trade. The Porzingod is much better than anyone in this draft including Fultz and he would fit in beautifully. He just makes too much sense for what the Celtics do and what they need.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 21:34:35 GMT -5
www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/trade-rumors-butler-bledsoe-hawks-cavs.html?fv-home=true&post-id=65949Pheonix Suns could offer the number 4 pick and Eric Bledsoe to get KP. Wow that's a really great offer. Also one interesting quote from this piece- "Since the Bulls would like to land a high pick in Thursday’s draft if they move Butler, the Celtics (No. 3), Suns (No. 4), and Timberwolves (No. 7) would make sense as trade partners. However, as Johnson details, the Bulls have received the impression that Boston plans to use the third overall pick"
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 21:36:36 GMT -5
If the deal is Crowder/Bradley, Brown and the #3 pick, you have to do that trade. The Porzingod is much better than anyone in this draft including Fultz and he would fit in beautifully. He just makes too much sense for what the Celtics do and what they need. That package is better than the Suns offer but I'm not sure I still do it. That's a ton of value, albeit I know superstars are hard to find in the NBA and I know that sometimes you have to roll the dice. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 21:38:22 GMT -5
Getting the sense that the Celtics aren't interested in trading for Butler for anything more than a Bradley/Crowder and future picks combination. They don't want to flip this year's number three for him it seems.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 21, 2017 21:44:40 GMT -5
If the deal is Crowder/Bradley, Brown and the #3 pick, you have to do that trade. The Porzingod is much better than anyone in this draft including Fultz and he would fit in beautifully. He just makes too much sense for what the Celtics do and what they need. Especially if its Bradley who we can't afford to keep anyways. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 21:51:12 GMT -5
I want 3 under 25 talents out of the 3 BRK picks. So it's Brown OR #3 for me. Not both. I'd do Smart before I do Brown (though still not sure about it).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 21:53:07 GMT -5
I want 3 under 25 talents out of the 3 BRK picks. So it's Brown OR #3 for me. Not both. I'd do Smart before I do Brown (though still not sure about it). I'm right there with you. It's not like KP has a ton of control left either. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 22:16:19 GMT -5
I wonder if the Celtics and Knicks could swap the number 3 and 8 picks. Then the Celtics send Brown, the number 3 pick, and the future Lakers pick to the Knicks.
The Celtics would land Dennis Smith (presumably) and KP
The Knicks would land Josh Jackson, Brown, a future high end pick.
That would help even out the value. I'd do this deal if I was the Celtics.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 22:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2017 22:40:50 GMT -5
I'm right there with you. It's not like KP has a ton of control left either. He has two years left in his deal and then he's a RFA. It's a no brainer, the Porzingod is less than a year and a half older than Josh Jackson. Think about that. Let that sink in. Let that sink in as you picture him blocking the living sh*t out of Lebron in next years ECF. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 22:46:03 GMT -5
I'm right there with you. It's not like KP has a ton of control left either. He has two years left in his deal and then he's a RFA. It's a no brainer, the Porzingod is less than a year and a half older than Josh Jackson. Think about that. Let that sink in. Let that sink in as you picture him blocking the living sh*t out of Lebron in next years ECF. Lol Yeah I'd do the deal if the Knicks swapped the 8th pick with the number 3 pick. That would recover some of the lost value in the trade. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2017 22:47:37 GMT -5
Teams being informed Cap will be at 99Mn (not 102). That much harder to get max space.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2017 22:55:44 GMT -5
Lol Yeah I'd do the deal if the Knicks swapped the 8th pick with the number 3 pick. That would recover some of the lost value in the trade. Lost value? There's no lost value in not getting the 8th pick back, the Porzingod is one of the best bigs in the league and he's ridiculously young. He's a superstar and he's only getting better. The only reason we're having this conversation is because Phil is an absolute moron, but when you have the chance to get a guy like that you do it and worry about life later. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 23:01:11 GMT -5
Lol Yeah I'd do the deal if the Knicks swapped the 8th pick with the number 3 pick. That would recover some of the lost value in the trade. Lost value? There's no lost value in not getting the 8th pick back, the Porzingod is one of the best bigs in the league and he's ridiculously young. He's a superstar and he's only getting better. The only reason we're having this conversation is because Phil is an absolute moron, but when you have the chance to get a guy like that you do it and worry about life later. I was just talking about the trade value in itself. I don't think the Brown/3 pick/plus a future pick or Crowder/Bradley is that good of value. Add the 8th pick with KP and I think there is enough there to complete a deal. I do think this is down to the Suns and Celtics though. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2017 23:13:09 GMT -5
I also think that this deal comes (if it's going to come) after you know the Lakers pick Ball and then Jackson is available for number 3 on draft night.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2017 23:20:39 GMT -5
Lol Yeah I'd do the deal if the Knicks swapped the 8th pick with the number 3 pick. That would recover some of the lost value in the trade. Lost value? There's no lost value in not getting the 8th pick back, the Porzingod is one of the best bigs in the league and he's ridiculously young. He's a superstar and he's only getting better. The only reason we're having this conversation is because Phil is an absolute moron, but when you have the chance to get a guy like that you do it and worry about life later. I would love to trade for the Unicorn, but he's not a superstar, right now he's not even a star. He should become a star in time, superstar is in no way a given. He is one of the best young bigs in the league. Also you control 3 years more than enough. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2017 23:27:28 GMT -5
I would love to trade for the Unicorn, but he's not a superstar, right now he's not even a star. He should become a star in time, superstar is in no way a given. He is one of the best young bigs in the league. Also you control 3 years more than enough. Okay, maybe not a superstar, but he's definitely a star already and I have 0 doubts he will be a superstar in no time. He is in my mind the third best young big in the league, behind AD and KAT. He isn't on that level yet, but if he keeps improving he will be in the conversation with the other 2. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 0:06:20 GMT -5
I use a basic rule to even consider a guy as being star level. A PER of 20 and above, along with a ws/48 of .150 or higher. Its not a perfect system but every guy you consider a star will be around those numbers. The Unicorn isn't there yet. I think he gets there, he's young.
Davis for example has a career PER of 26.6 and ws/48 of .203. KAT also in his age 21 season just had a PER of 26 and ws/48 .201. The Unicorn PER was 17.4 and ws/48 was .100. There is a massive difference between those 3 players. Ones not yet a star and the other two look like superstars. KAT numbers are better than I expected.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 4:28:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure Tatum is the only guy they worked out twice but I did read the worked him out twice.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 4:30:18 GMT -5
One thing I will give Porzingis is he has been playing in the stupid triangle on a crappy team in a dysfunctional situation so I suppose that matters on his numbers.
However, he's had a bunch of different injuries including some to his feet and ankles. Injuries were a concern before the draft and he's had them plus he's 7'3". That isn't the end all and B all but it's a big concern
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 4:32:06 GMT -5
That sucks about the cap number.... my guess is ultimately it won't matter on their pursuit if a max guy. They can get close enough that the money shouldn't matter. These guys take less now a days and it's not even that much less.
And why in the heck cant the Celtics afford Bradley?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2017 4:57:40 GMT -5
I think it's time that Danny should go for it tonight and cash in a lot of his assets for KP. He might not get a better chance at a better player this young.
Sure he could go after Anthony Davis at some point, but he might be in his late 20's by the time that happens. I don't expect Karl Anthony Towns to be available within the next 3 years either.
You build assets just for this time to come, to cash them in.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 22, 2017 4:58:53 GMT -5
Seems like Danny is just waiting on someone to cave right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2017 5:10:15 GMT -5
The Suns do have a good amount to offer. They have Dragon Bender who was the talk around Celtic nation last year. They have the 4 pick. They havs Marquese Chriss. They have Eric Bledsoe.
This trade is going to hurt a little if you want to top the Suns. The Suns also play in the western conference, who isn't a rival of New York, unlike Boston. I don't know how much New York wants to deal their best asset to their competition.
The Celtics can still beat all of that by the Suns but how badly does Danny want KP? That will be the real question in all of this.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 6:15:28 GMT -5
The Celtic's are waiting. Who blinks first. They have lots of good cards in the game and can go many ways. So they are in hurry. I am not so sure the trades are done today. I think this summer after the first round of free agents signings become apparent, you will see Danny make a move. I do not think the knicks really want to move KP, but I think it is like selling your house. Is it for sale no. But, If a guy walks up to your front door and says I will write you a check for 2mil will you sell? Yes here are the keys. Phil is doing the same thing. If Danny offers 2 or 3 draft picks and a couple of young players like Bradley and crowder then Phil would be crazy not to trade KP. Is that going to happen? I do not think so, but you never know. I think this. Lots of teams had no chance against GS this year and things do not look like they will change on that front for a couple of more years. So, the teams still want to sell seats so if you make some changes, now the fans have some new savior or hope and maybe , just maybe they are convinced that they can win the title with the new guys. So players we never thought would get traded will.
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