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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 6:22:09 GMT -5
The Celtic's are waiting. Who blinks first. They have lots of good cards in the game and can go many ways. So they are in hurry. I am not so sure the trades are done today. I think this summer after the first round of free agents signings become apparent, you will see Danny make a move. I do not think the knicks really want to move KP, but I think it is like selling your house. Is it for sale no. But, If a guy walks up to your front door and says I will write you a check for 2mil will you sell? Yes here are the keys. Phil is doing the same thing. If Danny offers 2 or 3 draft picks and a couple of young players like Bradley and crowder then Phil would be crazy not to trade KP. Is that going to happen? I do not think so, but you never know. I think this. Lots of teams had no chance against GS this year and things do not look like they will change on that front for a couple of more years. So, the teams still want to sell seats so if you make some changes, now the fans have some new savior or hope and maybe , just maybe they are convinced that they can win the title with the new guys. So players we never thought would get traded will. Correction The Celtic's are IN NO HURRY to make a move. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 6:30:45 GMT -5
Based on the press conference last night I think the Knicks feel like Porzingis wants nothing to do with them so trading him now maximizes the value. If they wait until he gets closer to FA then it will probably come out that they need to trade him and his value may be depressed. They may also worry that another year of missing 10-20 games or so due to injuries could be really bad for his value.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 6:43:13 GMT -5
A line of thinking on the internet is that Danny has committed to Thomas as the pg because of passing on fultz. I really do not believe that the Celtic's will pony up max money for IT. I do not think Danny really likes either fultz or ball at the point. I think he likes fox, smith or the guy from france better. I think that is part of the reason he moved down. I think Danny is waiting to see who goes in the first two picks. Example would be if fultz and Jackson go 1 and 2 then the c's are sitting at 3 with 2 high value point guards available with the next 5 teams all REALLY wanting one. Yes even the t wolves. What will those teams give to move up and get their guy? The suns, kings and the knicks will all get antsy and maybe something good falls into Danny's lap. Maybe the c's still get their guy. I am not sure who their guy is? They are looking for a star/super star. Is there the impact player in this draft that Danny wants. I am not too sure about that. Remember Michael was drafted 3rd and Paul P was drafted 11.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 7:52:11 GMT -5
New conspiracy theory:
Josh Jackson's agent is BJ Armstrong who is close to Phil Jackson (who wants JJ in a deal for KP). Phil doesn't want to deal with Danny.
BJ tells JJ not to workout for C's so DA won't take him and have leverage in talks with PJ.
OK?
LEGEND: Overuse of initials = italics
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 8:15:28 GMT -5
As an aside, in the quest for Max Cap Space, add the Globe's Adam Himmelsbach to those who think Yabusele may not be on the roster.
EDIT: Though it should be noted that you'd still be about $2Mn short (and Rozier is just shy of the number) so you'd have to move on from someone with a bigger cap hit (Smart, Crowder or Bradley)
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 8:31:16 GMT -5
Crowder is a no brainer to move on from if you draft Tatum and sign either Hayward or Griffin. Keep the dancing bear.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 8:59:05 GMT -5
A line of thinking on the internet is that Danny has committed to Thomas as the pg because of passing on fultz. I really do not believe that the Celtic's will pony up max money for IT. I do not think Danny really likes either fultz or ball at the point. I think he likes fox, smith or the guy from france better. I think that is part of the reason he moved down. I think Danny is waiting to see who goes in the first two picks. Example would be if fultz and Jackson go 1 and 2 then the c's are sitting at 3 with 2 high value point guards available with the next 5 teams all REALLY wanting one. Yes even the t wolves. What will those teams give to move up and get their guy? The suns, kings and the knicks will all get antsy and maybe something good falls into Danny's lap. Maybe the c's still get their guy. I am not sure who their guy is? They are looking for a star/super star. Is there the impact player in this draft that Danny wants. I am not too sure about that. Remember Michael was drafted 3rd and Paul P was drafted 11. More simply, I think Danny moved down bc he could turn 1 asset into 2 without (in his mind) downgrading that initial asset much. I don't think it's bc he doesn't like Fultz. He just likes others similarly and was able to turn it into additional pieces. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 9:10:41 GMT -5
What I'm curious about is whether Danny would take JJ (now, I'm thinking he's 3rd on his want list behind Tatum and Isaac) knowing that he's the desired asset (for the Knicks and now, Woj is reporting, a lot of NBA teams).
EDIT: A week ago, I thought this would be a rather ho-hum day as far as Boston was concerned. Now, my head is spinning with possibilities
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 22, 2017 10:02:02 GMT -5
Thinking Exorcist.
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Post by jmei on Jun 22, 2017 10:11:34 GMT -5
Porzingis is the rare player that fits the current roster well and makes them better in the short-term while also giving them a young, cost-controlled player with superstar potential for the long-term. I'd happily give up a package centered around the third overall pick for him.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 10:18:03 GMT -5
#3 and Crowder for sure. Question is how much further. Brown? Not without something coming back (#8?). Rozier - better but rather a non BRK pick
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 22, 2017 11:00:42 GMT -5
Apparently the Suns are leading the race to trade for the Porzingod. Gee Danny, don't get too bold when the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 11:13:53 GMT -5
Who's reporting that and why are you reacting so strongly some 8 hours before the draft. Regardless of how this ends up, there will a LOT of information pointing in every direction.
It's like losing your mind over game 1 of the MLB season. There is a loooong way to go.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 11:20:16 GMT -5
Ford's new mock has the Celtics taking Tatum at 3 and Bell at 37. That would be a great pairing, a scorer and a rebounding defensive minded big.
Ford also says that there are conflicting reports about the Lakers and Celtics trade with Kings. Some reports saying Kings turned it down, while other reports say the Lakers and Celtics turned it down. Says if Tatum falls to Kings they could still make a trade. I take that to mean if we draft Jackson. He has Suns taking Fox. It's going to be a fun night.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 11:28:03 GMT -5
I'm starting to think (overthink?) we should take Jackson. If the desired outcomes are:
1 A deal for Porzingis
2 Tatum or Isaac plus an additional asset
Taking Jackson at 3rd is the move that keeps all of those in play. Of course, you have to be willing to keep him if things don't work out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 11:28:44 GMT -5
Apparently the Suns are leading the race to trade for the Porzingod. Gee Danny, don't get too bold when the opportunity presents itself. Reports last night said they want the team trading for him to take Noah and his contract. So yea if the Suns are willing to do that they might be the front runner. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 11:37:36 GMT -5
I'm starting to think (overthink?) we should take Jackson. If the desired outcomes are: 1 A deal for Porzingis 2 Tatum or Isaac plus an additional asset Taking Jackson at 3rd is the move that keeps all of those in play. Of course, you have to be willing to keep him if things don't work out. All depends of what offers are really out there. For example if you think by taking Jackson you force the Knicks hand, sure. If you believe the Suns are taking Fox and the Kings will deal 5 and 10 then sure. I roll the dice. Getting stuck with Jackson isn't the worst thing, not even close. Even though right now I prefer Tatum. I want no part of Isaac, he scares me to death. Looks more like a solid player than star. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 22, 2017 11:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 11:50:29 GMT -5
What are the offers? Saying the Cavs, Lakers and Celtics have the 3 best offers. Well reports are the Lakers offer is Randle or Clarkson and picks 27 and 28. So we have one of the best low ball offers? What are the Cavs offering? If they offer Love that's a great offer.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 11:54:06 GMT -5
And Windhorst says Cleveland is out as nobody is interested in Love.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 11:58:52 GMT -5
If the Pacers don't want Love, then they are looking to completely rebuild. I wonder what the Celtics can offer and still keep space for a max guy... I'd love George really would but he's probably a rental so it's tough. Even a low ball offer is hard for me to come up with that would make sense.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 22, 2017 12:05:21 GMT -5
If the Pacers don't want Love, then they are looking to completely rebuild. I wonder what the Celtics can offer and still keep space for a max guy... I'd love George really would but he's probably a rental so it's tough. Even a low ball offer is hard for me to come up with that would make sense. George won't put us past Warriors and probably not Cleveland...then where would we be a year later..especially if we forfeit draft picks? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 12:17:31 GMT -5
If Danny is looking to trade for George he has to think there's a good chance he resigns.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 12:18:44 GMT -5
If the Pacers don't want Love, then they are looking to completely rebuild. I wonder what the Celtics can offer and still keep space for a max guy... I'd love George really would but he's probably a rental so it's tough. Even a low ball offer is hard for me to come up with that would make sense. George won't put us past Warriors and probably not Cleveland...then where would we be a year later..especially if we forfeit draft picks? This is why I said it's tough and why i can't even come up with a low ball offer |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 12:20:34 GMT -5
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