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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 12:26:55 GMT -5
If the Lakers offer of Randle or Clarkson and 27 and 28 is one of the best offers. It won't be hard to do better. Crowder and a few late first round picks is a way better offer. It's the added salary, as that offer would require using Zellers contract. So no max free agent. You would need to move Crowder, Bradley/Smart, and Jackson. Now your gutting depth.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 22, 2017 12:40:28 GMT -5
If the Lakers offer of Randle or Clarkson and 27 and 28 is one of the best offers. It won't be hard to do better. Crowder and a few late first round picks is a way better offer. It's the added salary, as that offer would require using Zellers contract. So no max free agent. You would need to move Crowder, Bradley/Smart, and Jackson. Now your gutting depth. I wouldn't be so sure that Crowder and a few late round picks is a way better offer than Randle or Clarkson and late first round picks, especially for a team that should now try and rebuild. I could definitely see the Pacers preferring Randle over Crowder. Crowder is basically at his ceiling of being an okay starter/ good bench player, whereas I feel Randle could still grow into being a better player. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 12:44:17 GMT -5
Yes but Randle is RFA after next year which means IND has to decide whether or not he's worth a significant contract. Not ideal for a team in rebuild mode.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 22, 2017 12:50:23 GMT -5
True the RFA after next year could be an issue but really it would all just depend on what the Pacers think of Randle Vs Crowder. I am just saying it is no sure thing that in the Pacers eyes, Crowder plus a few late round draft picks is a better offer than Randle and a few late round draft picks.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 12:53:59 GMT -5
True, it's not a sure thing. I'd just add that it's just not Crowder the player. It's Crowder the player and contract (one of the best non-rookie deals in the game) that could have significant value to turn around and trade for more assets.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 22, 2017 12:57:49 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't see Crowder in the same light as some on here, as I feel he is rather overrated by the Celtics fan base. I won't deny he has a nice team friendly contract but I don't find it likely that he could be flipped for anything significant.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 22, 2017 12:58:36 GMT -5
Yeah I just saw this. Sounds like a stud that might need a good organization and an occasional cattle prod but has the measureables. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 12:59:30 GMT -5
Exactly you get Crowder for 3 years on the cheap, only one year for Randle. To offset the money difference Randle would really need to get a lot better.
As an asset Crowder is worth a lot more than Randle.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 13:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 13:06:24 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 13:16:04 GMT -5
This is wild and crazy. the Celtic's COULD end up with a lot or they make no moves now and wait for free agency. Danny is waiting to see who blinks first. How bad do the kings want fox? Do they try to jump ahead of the suns? Maybe they are OK with smith. If danny and brad REALLY want Hayward why do they trade for George or butler? How bad does the knicks want fox or Jackson? Is porzingis really on the block? If he goes to the suns what do the kings do? Because that must mean that the knicks want fox or Jackson. This looks like it is shaping up to be a wild and crazy night. BUT, it has looked like that before and it turns into a dud and all chalk. I think FA brings another round of the wild jungle juice time. Lots of teams talking about major changes. I still believe and have from the bringing that Danny makes a move that affects Thomas and the possible max contract. I am not sold on he is Danny's man at the point for the next 4 yrs.Maybe the end game is Michael Porter next yr.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 13:17:47 GMT -5
Too many draft picks to fit them all on the roster and lots of duplicate good players, not super star players on the roster. Some way Danny has to condense and still keep assets for the future.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 13:20:59 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't see Crowder in the same light as some on here, as I feel he is rather overrated by the Celtics fan base. I won't deny he has a nice team friendly contract but I don't find it likely that he could be flipped for anything significant. You are way undervaluing Crowder. He's an above average starter that's making just a little more than high lottery picks. His contract might be the best in the league outside of rookie level deals. If a team had a need, you could get a lottery pick for him. Maybe even top 10. Maybe not in this draft, but a normal draft. That's how valuable he is. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 13:22:43 GMT -5
And that contract is for 3 more years!!!
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 13:24:26 GMT -5
According to NYDN Sports, Knicks are asking for 3, Brown, 18 BRK and Crowder.
If true, Phil isn't serious about moving KP.
Report makes it seem like Danny would do it if you take either 3 or 18 BRK off the table
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 13:27:19 GMT -5
This is wild and crazy. the Celtic's COULD end up with a lot or they make no moves now and wait for free agency. Danny is waiting to see who blinks first. How bad do the kings want fox? Do they try to jump ahead of the suns? Maybe they are OK with smith. If danny and brad REALLY want Hayward why do they trade for George or butler? How bad does the knicks want fox or Jackson? Is porzingis really on the block? If he goes to the suns what do the kings do? Because that must mean that the knicks want fox or Jackson. This looks like it is shaping up to be a wild and crazy night. BUT, it has looked like that before and it turns into a dud and all chalk. I think FA brings another round of the wild jungle juice time. Lots of teams talking about major changes. I still believe and have from the bringing that Danny makes a move that affects Thomas and the possible max contract. I am not sold on he is Danny's man at the point for the next 4 yrs.Maybe the end game is Michael Porter next yr. If we are maxed out on cap space why does it matter if Thomas gets Max money? I don't see his deal being worse than Horford for example. You need to look at the context of our situation. For example Thompson and Smith are overpaid on Cavs, but well worth it. If they didn't pay them, they couldn't replace them because they are over the cap. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 22, 2017 13:31:27 GMT -5
#3, Crowder, Bradley or Smart, One Non-Bk/Non LAL-Sac pick is probably the max I'd do for Zinger. Even then, I think that basically is banking on Hayward coming and makes the team a bit thin anyway. I wonder what it takes to get 8 back too.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 13:33:40 GMT -5
According to NYDN Sports, Knicks are asking for 3, Brown, 18 BRK and Crowder. If true, Phil isn't serious about moving KP. You always start high, it depends if that was what he started at or that's what it will really take. I would trade Brown, Crowder and the Lakers pick. You can't trade the #3 pick, Brown and Crowder. You need a SF. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 13:37:45 GMT -5
Sure but I would've thought that, at this point, we'd hear he's coming more to the middle.
Even if Boston thinks they are getting Hayward, I still hate giving up 2 of Brown, #3 and 18BRK. Specifically, I think I'm stuck on the idea (irrationally?) of Brown taking over for Bradley.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 13:42:14 GMT -5
ESPN NY's Ian Begley saying Boston's offer is #3, a player and an additional lottery pick tonight they think they can acquire.
Even if they don't get KP, that last piece is interesting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 13:44:54 GMT -5
Sure but I would've thought that, at this point, we'd hear he's coming more to the middle. Even if Boston thinks they are getting Hayward, I still hate giving up 2 of Brown, #3 and 18BRK. Specifically, I think I'm stuck on the idea (irrationally?) of Brown taking over for Bradley. You don't give up both the #3 pick and Nets pick next year. You just don't. As for Brown replacing Bradley, are we talking the same Brown? I don't see that happening. I think people are reading way to much into the fact he started a few games for Bradley. He just doesn't have the skills, not even close. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 13:50:53 GMT -5
ESPN NY's Ian Begley saying Boston's offer is #3, a player and an additional lottery pick tonight they think they can acquire. Even if they don't get KP, that last piece is interesting. Yes it is, because if you trade #3 you can't trade down with Kings. So that most likely means you trade a Vet for another pick. Maybe Bradley to Hornets or something like that. Smart to Kings. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 13:52:32 GMT -5
Not worried about the skills of the individual matching. It's the skill set of the group that's important. For example, a 5 of IT/JB/KP/AH/GH can space, score and defend better (or, at worse, as well as) what we had last year.
And that team has a better chance of lasting into the early 2020's when your window really exists.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 13:54:32 GMT -5
Basketball Insiders says it's Bradley and Minny
If Danny IS offering it sounds like, in some for, they can get the pick (outside of a KP deal, I wonder if that's how he gets Smith)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:04:17 GMT -5
So you think Brown is ready to defend pg and sg full-time? He has the tools to maybe do that down the road, but he's not yet a good defender, not even close. He is very raw and doesn't yet know how to use his elite tools. Which is shocking because he's highly intelligent. He just doesn't have a high basketball IQ yet, if he ever will.
Also remember we use our SGs to take the harder match up defensively be it a sg or pg, to try and hide Thomas.
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