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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 22, 2017 14:05:40 GMT -5
Basketball Insiders says it's Bradley and Minny But what does it take to get Minny's pick? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:07:10 GMT -5
Basketball Insiders says it's Bradley and Minny Wow. I still do that deal even if we can't get the Unicorn. You could add Smith or Monk. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:07:29 GMT -5
 Supposedly it's 7 from Minnesota |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:08:34 GMT -5
Basketball Insiders says it's Bradley and Minny Who was it here that said Bradley made sense to Minny? Anyone remember? |
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 14:09:04 GMT -5
This is wild and crazy. the Celtic's COULD end up with a lot or they make no moves now and wait for free agency. Danny is waiting to see who blinks first. How bad do the kings want fox? Do they try to jump ahead of the suns? Maybe they are OK with smith. If danny and brad REALLY want Hayward why do they trade for George or butler? How bad does the knicks want fox or Jackson? Is porzingis really on the block? If he goes to the suns what do the kings do? Because that must mean that the knicks want fox or Jackson. This looks like it is shaping up to be a wild and crazy night. BUT, it has looked like that before and it turns into a dud and all chalk. I think FA brings another round of the wild jungle juice time. Lots of teams talking about major changes. I still believe and have from the bringing that Danny makes a move that affects Thomas and the possible max contract. I am not sold on he is Danny's man at the point for the next 4 yrs.Maybe the end game is Michael Porter next yr. If we are maxed out on cap space why does it matter if Thomas gets Max money? I don't see his deal being worse than Horford for example. You need to look at the context of our situation. For example Thompson and Smith are overpaid on Cavs, but well worth it. If they didn't pay them, they couldn't replace them because they are over the cap. Are we maxed out yet? If we are not do you want to sign Thomas and push us over the top? Still lots of players and lots of draft picks for a limited amount of roster spots. Did you win with Thomas this year and are you going to win with a 5 9 point guard in 3 years? Tough decision to make on a popular player who is very limited even if he is an all star. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:09:19 GMT -5
Wow so many messages just loaded at once for me... missed a bunch
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 14:10:27 GMT -5
So you think Brown is ready to defend pg and sg full-time? He has the tools to maybe do that down the road, but he's not yet a good defender, not even close. He is very raw and doesn't yet know how to use his elite tools. Which is shocking because he's highly intelligent. He just doesn't have a high basketball IQ yet, if he ever will. Also remember we use our SGs to take the harder match up defensively be it a sg or pg, to try and hide Thomas. Hide Thomas is an interesting point that you make. Do you want to pay max to a player you have to hide? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:11:50 GMT -5
I will say this #3, #7 and a player is a great offer. If it doesn't happen, I don't blame Danny!
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:12:53 GMT -5
I can't believe my wife is making me go out to dinner tonight... at 6:45
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:14:09 GMT -5
Basketball Insiders says it's Bradley and Minny Who was it here that said Bradley made sense to Minny? Anyone remember? Everyone congratulations are in order for Rip as long as its Bradley for #7 straight up and we don't have to throw in future picks. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:15:09 GMT -5
Who was it here that said Bradley made sense to Minny? Anyone remember? Everyone congratulations are in order for Rip as long as its Bradley for #7 straight up and we don't have to throw in future picks. Blind squirrels need a pat on the back once in a while too |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 22, 2017 14:15:45 GMT -5
This thing is moving right along.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 14:18:07 GMT -5
Technically, we use 1 of the 5 guys on the court to match up against the tougher (I know I beat this drum too hard but I REALLY don't think they care about SF vs SG vs . . .)
To your first question, do I think he can do it now. Not at all. Do I think the downgrade there can be overcome with better interior D? Somewhat. Do I think more offense overall will hide some of these defensive issues. Yes?
More importantly, I'm trying to build for the future (while also enjoying the present). So if Brown can't handle it next year, Smart holds down the fort until he can.
I'm just not sure they are going to commit to Bradley (and the report from BI suggests they might not).
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:20:52 GMT -5
You have to imagine if they can trade Bradley for 7 if Smith is there they do it regardless of if NY makes the trade or not. It gives them a high end prospect and clears the salary to sign a max free agent. Win win
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:21:42 GMT -5
If we are maxed out on cap space why does it matter if Thomas gets Max money? I don't see his deal being worse than Horford for example. You need to look at the context of our situation. For example Thompson and Smith are overpaid on Cavs, but well worth it. If they didn't pay them, they couldn't replace them because they are over the cap. Are we maxed out yet? If we are not do you want to sign Thomas and push us over the top? Still lots of players and lots of draft picks for a limited amount of roster spots. Did you win with Thomas this year and are you going to win with a 5 9 point guard in 3 years? Tough decision to make on a popular player who is very limited even if he is an all star. Where to start. Do you know what we would have to do to keep cap space? If not look it up. Your talking about no max guy this year, as that uses all your space. Then no Bradley, Smart or Thomas. Also no other long-term deals with free agents. You basically have to go into rebuild mode to keep cap space. Did we win this year? We made it to the eastern conference finals, so yea we did a lot of winning. Keep the team intact while adding pieces. I think you undervalue how good Thomas is. Without him we lose in first round. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:24:06 GMT -5
If we can come out of this draft with Tatum, Smith and max cap space but down Bradley I'm on board.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 14:24:36 GMT -5
You have to imagine if they can trade Bradley for 7 if Smith is there they do it regardless of if NY makes the trade or not. It gives them a high end prospect and clears the salary to sign a max free agent. Win win This may be why they know they can make that deal (bc they were already trying to do it to get Smith) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:24:46 GMT -5
So you think Brown is ready to defend pg and sg full-time? He has the tools to maybe do that down the road, but he's not yet a good defender, not even close. He is very raw and doesn't yet know how to use his elite tools. Which is shocking because he's highly intelligent. He just doesn't have a high basketball IQ yet, if he ever will. Also remember we use our SGs to take the harder match up defensively be it a sg or pg, to try and hide Thomas. Hide Thomas is an interesting point that you make. Do you want to pay max to a player you have to hide? Do I want to, no. It's certainly not ideal, but Thomas is worth it given our current situation. It's the difference between looking at it without context and with context. For us it makes sense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:28:21 GMT -5
Technically, we use 1 of the 5 guys on the court to match up against the tougher (I know I beat this drum too hard but I REALLY don't think they care about SF vs SG vs . . .) To your first question, do I think he can do it now. Not at all. Do I think the downgrade there can be overcome with better interior D? Somewhat. Do I think more offense overall will hide some of these defensive issues. Yes? More importantly, I'm trying to build for the future (while also enjoying the present). So if Brown can't handle it next year, Smart holds down the fort until he can. I'm just not sure they are going to commit to Bradley (and the report from BI suggests they might not). I get that. I just think Smart and Rozier make more sense. Rozier could be a difference maker, he brings a ton of energy. He really impressed me in playoffs. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:30:48 GMT -5
If we can come out of this draft with Tatum, Smith and max cap space but down Bradley I'm on board. I really like that outcome. Always said if you were going to trade Bradley I wanted a pick this year. Never thought they could get #7, so that's awesome. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 14:32:22 GMT -5
The good news on IT is you get to play this year out before making that decision. Lot of things could change:
1. Does he miss part of the season as some say is, at least, possible.
2. If Boston is able to add these other offensive pieces via FA, the draft and trades, does his offense come down to earth. What does that do to his demands?
3. Can Boston draft his replacement (Smith)?
4. Does Smart ever look like he can be a starter (especially with #2 in mind).
He's willing to wait. You can't really trade him now as you won't get anything in return commensurate with the value he brings (or even close). So you wait. See where we are at the deadline. Then next offseason.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 14:35:59 GMT -5
Technically, we use 1 of the 5 guys on the court to match up against the tougher (I know I beat this drum too hard but I REALLY don't think they care about SF vs SG vs . . .) To your first question, do I think he can do it now. Not at all. Do I think the downgrade there can be overcome with better interior D? Somewhat. Do I think more offense overall will hide some of these defensive issues. Yes? More importantly, I'm trying to build for the future (while also enjoying the present). So if Brown can't handle it next year, Smart holds down the fort until he can. I'm just not sure they are going to commit to Bradley (and the report from BI suggests they might not). I get that. I just think Smart and Rozier make more sense. Rozier could be a difference maker, he brings a ton of energy. He really impressed me in playoffs. Yeah, I can see that. Next year for sure. As I indicated in my initial post, my feelings on Brown might be somewhat irrational but I do have high hopes for him and think he's one of the starting wings long term. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 14:41:19 GMT -5
If you don't plan on signing Thomas then you would be trying to trade him. No matter how this offseason plays out your cap space is gone. As long as our owner will pay the bill, you sign Thomas. You can never have too many players that can score and create like Thomas can. Even if he is a bench player down the line.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 22, 2017 14:44:54 GMT -5
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 22, 2017 14:59:03 GMT -5
You have to imagine if they can trade Bradley for 7 if Smith is there they do it regardless of if NY makes the trade or not. It gives them a high end prospect and clears the salary to sign a max free agent. Win win This may be why they know they can make that deal (bc they were already trying to do it to get Smith) Maybe, but there are other rumors that Minny is trying to use the pick to get Butler. |
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