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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 14:59:51 GMT -5
This may be why they know they can make that deal (bc they were already trying to do it to get Smith) Maybe, but there are other rumors that Minny is trying to use the pick to get Butler. Those rumors don't fit our narrative so they are false |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 15:04:59 GMT -5
Ha!
Obviously, everything we are hearing could be bunk. But IF we are to believe Boston included a 2nd lottery pick this year in their offer to NY, you have to believe they know they can get it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 15:12:55 GMT -5
You can't trust any information. There were reports Butler told Bulls he doesn't want to be traded. He wants the 5 year max extension. For every report, there is one that says the opposite. I will say this, most likely Minny and Boston have talked about a Bradley trade. If it happens well that's probally going to be determined by a bunch of other things. For example a Butler trade would require a lot more than just pick #7. What other teams offer or if the Bulls even trade him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 15:17:50 GMT -5
I know this may seem stupid but in a way isn't Bradley better for Minnesota than Butler? Bradley won't command a max extension whereas Butler will and Minnesota already had Wiggins and KAT that will require max extension in the not so distant future.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 22, 2017 15:25:47 GMT -5
Ha! Obviously, everything we are hearing could be bunk. But IF we are to believe Boston included a 2nd lottery pick this year in their offer to NY, you have to believe they know they can get it. Not necessarily, Minny could have told Celts, if we don't get Butler we will go 7 for Bradley, and the Celts could have said to NYC, if Minny fails on getting Butler, they will trade 7 to us, and we will trade it to you. All hypothetical talks now. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 15:30:11 GMT -5
Disagree. If they are going in with an offer (IF), they need to know better than that. Maybe they have multiple ideas to get them #7 but, a if we are to believe any of this (dangerous, as we've discussed) they have to know it's theirs to offer.
Even if that means they know they can get it if they include something to Minny (or another team) to get it.
Unless Boston is willing to take Jackson, Danny is on a clock to get this done.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 22, 2017 15:39:01 GMT -5
I sure hope Ainge doesn't mortgage the future by trading either Brown or next year's Brooklyn pick for either KP or Butler. There are big men like Porter Jr and Bamba in next year's draft who are much more athletic, can rebound, block shots and have the potential to be all-around much better players.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 22, 2017 15:54:55 GMT -5
Are we maxed out yet? If we are not do you want to sign Thomas and push us over the top? Still lots of players and lots of draft picks for a limited amount of roster spots. Did you win with Thomas this year and are you going to win with a 5 9 point guard in 3 years? Tough decision to make on a popular player who is very limited even if he is an all star. Where to start. Do you know what we would have to do to keep cap space? If not look it up. Your talking about no max guy this year, as that uses all your space. Then no Bradley, Smart or Thomas. Also no other long-term deals with free agents. You basically have to go into rebuild mode to keep cap space. Did we win this year? We made it to the eastern conference finals, so yea we did a lot of winning. Keep the team intact while adding pieces. I think you undervalue how good Thomas is. Without him we lose in first round. Where to start. Yes we won a lot of games. The goal for Danny is the finals and a shot at the championchip. Did we get there no. Will we get there with Thomas as the main guy. Even though he is an excellent player I am pretty sure he will not get us to the goal. We have to hide him on defense and you put a good 6'4 or 6'5 defender on him and he has problems and gets worn down. You are assuming a lot about me and cap space. I never said either one . What I am trying to say is that if you give someone a max deal you need to make sure it is the right guy. because to your point , if you are over the cap it is tough to get someone later. Not sure that guy is Thomas. With all of the picks Danny has over the next 3 years and the players on the roster he will be trying to jam 20 -25 guys into 12 to 15 spots and try and control the salaries. Tough puzzle to handle. Handing out salaries and getting the players that they want and win the title is tricky. Whether he keeps Bradley or smart I do not know and I am not saying either. If you can keep Thomas for a reasonable amount great. We could have 2 top 5 picks next year with porter coming out. A good problem for Danny or any other gm to have. I am more talking about managing cap space. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 22, 2017 16:38:44 GMT -5
What are the Clippers smoking lol
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 17:22:24 GMT -5
Where to start. Do you know what we would have to do to keep cap space? If not look it up. Your talking about no max guy this year, as that uses all your space. Then no Bradley, Smart or Thomas. Also no other long-term deals with free agents. You basically have to go into rebuild mode to keep cap space. Did we win this year? We made it to the eastern conference finals, so yea we did a lot of winning. Keep the team intact while adding pieces. I think you undervalue how good Thomas is. Without him we lose in first round. Where to start. Yes we won a lot of games. The goal for Danny is the finals and a shot at the championchip. Did we get there no. Will we get there with Thomas as the main guy. Even though he is an excellent player I am pretty sure he will not get us to the goal. We have to hide him on defense and you put a good 6'4 or 6'5 defender on him and he has problems and gets worn down. You are assuming a lot about me and cap space. I never said either one . What I am trying to say is that if you give someone a max deal you need to make sure it is the right guy. because to your point , if you are over the cap it is tough to get someone later. Not sure that guy is Thomas. With all of the picks Danny has over the next 3 years and the players on the roster he will be trying to jam 20 -25 guys into 12 to 15 spots and try and control the salaries. Tough puzzle to handle. Handing out salaries and getting the players that they want and win the title is tricky. Whether he keeps Bradley or smart I do not know and I am not saying either. If you can keep Thomas for a reasonable amount great. We could have 2 top 5 picks next year with porter coming out. A good problem for Danny or any other gm to have. I am more talking about managing cap space. The point I think is that with it without Thomas you can't get max space for another guy. So the Celtics might as well pay him and be as good as they can while they acquire players that develop into that next team. Maybe Smith can be that PG in 3 years and Isaiah is coming off the bench. Who knows? But Isaiah isn't going to block them from building that. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 22, 2017 17:38:58 GMT -5
So...
If they take Tatum they are likely keeping the pick if its Jackson there is a trade. I guess thats where we are right now.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 17:40:20 GMT -5
That's where I'm at.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 22, 2017 18:21:11 GMT -5
I say sign Hayward, draft Isaac at 3 and trade Bradley for 7, and take Giles. Let some young athletic freaks develop while LeBron and KD/Curry get old.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 18:24:57 GMT -5
Take JJ (sounds like he had a late workout??) @ 3. Move him to NY if you can, otherwise, get SAC to take Isaac or Tatum. Bradley to Minny and take Smith at 7.
Then, wake up to hear that we just took Tatum at 3 and be okay with that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 18:25:01 GMT -5
Where to start. Do you know what we would have to do to keep cap space? If not look it up. Your talking about no max guy this year, as that uses all your space. Then no Bradley, Smart or Thomas. Also no other long-term deals with free agents. You basically have to go into rebuild mode to keep cap space. Did we win this year? We made it to the eastern conference finals, so yea we did a lot of winning. Keep the team intact while adding pieces. I think you undervalue how good Thomas is. Without him we lose in first round. Where to start. Yes we won a lot of games. The goal for Danny is the finals and a shot at the championchip. Did we get there no. Will we get there with Thomas as the main guy. Even though he is an excellent player I am pretty sure he will not get us to the goal. We have to hide him on defense and you put a good 6'4 or 6'5 defender on him and he has problems and gets worn down. You are assuming a lot about me and cap space. I never said either one . What I am trying to say is that if you give someone a max deal you need to make sure it is the right guy. because to your point , if you are over the cap it is tough to get someone later. Not sure that guy is Thomas. With all of the picks Danny has over the next 3 years and the players on the roster he will be trying to jam 20 -25 guys into 12 to 15 spots and try and control the salaries. Tough puzzle to handle. Handing out salaries and getting the players that they want and win the title is tricky. Whether he keeps Bradley or smart I do not know and I am not saying either. If you can keep Thomas for a reasonable amount great. We could have 2 top 5 picks next year with porter coming out. A good problem for Danny or any other gm to have. I am more talking about managing cap space. You are asking the right questions about the wrong player. After they got Horford it changed everything. Your questions are more suited towards Horford than Thomas. There's a reason why Danny has gone out of his way to preserve the ability to get max cap space this year. After this offseason you just can't get max cap space again. So assume we get Griffin or Hayward. We are maxed out. We most likely add a couple more free agents, so we are well over the cap. So next year, giving Thomas a max deal does nothing but push us further over the cap. We wouldn't be using cap space, but his bird rights to sign him. Now assume no max free agent. If I had to guess we still sign free agents like KO. Assume we don't, we want to preserve cap space for 2018. It doesn't work, the first round picks we have will eat up our cap space, so you can't sign a max guy unless you trade them. All 3-4 of them, depending on Lakers pick. See what happens? No max cap space. You might be able to get max space by letting Bradley, Thomas and Smart leave. Then not getting the Lakers pick. The thing is Thomas is the draw, what max free agent wants to come and play with Horford, Crowder and a bunch of young players? So the decision is really easy in my book. Horford is the guy you should have questioned giving max money. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 18:42:37 GMT -5
Per Stein, Minny is close on Butler. Would take Bradley for 7 off the board.
Edit: Lavine, Dunn and 7. Done. Minny also getting 16 back.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2017 18:45:45 GMT -5
Omg Fultz, already spending money like an NBA guy on that crazy custom job.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 18:46:56 GMT -5
Per Stein, Minny is close on Butler. Would take Bradley for 7 off the board. Edit: Lavine, Dunn and 7. Done. Crappy |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 18:50:03 GMT -5
Tatum at 3
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 18:53:50 GMT -5
I am good with this - wish I hadn't dreamt on Smith at 7 too
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 18:54:31 GMT -5
Wonder who Chicago picks after getting Dunn and Lavine
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 18:54:50 GMT -5
Not watching the Vertical feed but someone is saying that they feel he projects as a 4 (in old position terms).
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2017 18:57:00 GMT -5
Woj reporting Boston and Indy in serious discussions for PG13
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 22, 2017 19:01:25 GMT -5
Woj reporting Boston and Indy in serious discussions for PG13 Please no. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 22, 2017 19:02:19 GMT -5
Woj reporting Boston and Indy in serious discussions for PG13 Please no. Can't say no until you see the package... he's a rental and Danny has been conservative so to think he's going to over pay for PG13 is a stretch. |
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