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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2017 12:43:43 GMT -5
I thought you can't do sign and trades? It's my understand that guys like Hayward can't be traded for 90 days once they are signed and rookies can't be for 30 days. Wiggins was signed by Cleveland then the trade was completed officially 30 days later... but everyone knew it was happening when Wiggins signed... that's how they used his contract.
Am I missing something with sign and trades?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 12:50:19 GMT -5
Sign-and-trades count as a single transaction so there is no waiting period.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2017 12:51:41 GMT -5
Sign-and-trades count as a single transaction so there is no waiting period. You sure about that? They intentionally changed he rules so teams couldn't do sign and trades... at least that was my understanding. That's why Wiggins was traded 30 days after he signed. Nevermind... www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/05/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare.html |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 12:51:52 GMT -5
If you just straight up extend George, he's limited in the raises he can get (used to be 4.5%, not sure what it is now). So he'd have to be renegotiated first and that requires cap space.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 12:55:03 GMT -5
Sign-and-trades count as a single transaction so there is no waiting period. You sure about that? They intentionally changed he rules so teams couldn't do sign and trades... at least that was my understanding. That's why Wiggins was traded 30 days after he signed. Not 100% no. I think (and I'll have to look it up) S&Ts are a "free agent thing" so they are not applicable to Rookie Deals (hence the waiting period for Wiggins). There are rules that make them less desirable as they once were. Instead of a 5 yr max with 8% raises, S&Ts are limited to 4yrs and 5% raises. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2017 13:00:27 GMT -5
Lowe says a sign and trade would allow us to keep Smart and KO. Thing is we would need to give the Jazz something for them to agree to a trade.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 13:04:09 GMT -5
Sign-and-trades count as a single transaction so there is no waiting period. You sure about that? They intentionally changed he rules so teams couldn't do sign and trades... at least that was my understanding. That's why Wiggins was traded 30 days after he signed. Nevermind... www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/05/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare.htmlHa. I just found that too (I really thought Larry Coon had been updating his FAQ along the way but I guess it's going to be a completely new doc so referencing it is NOT a good idea right now). EDIT: To be clear, that parenthetical aside was to myself. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 15:55:00 GMT -5
Utah discussing Rubio with Minny. Could have implications on Hayward since it sounded like Utah doesn't want to pony for Hill.
If they can do it by tonight, they can take him into 2016 cap space.
Meanwhile, Minny might be trying for a big signing (Butler was supposedly recruiting Lowry)
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 16:05:31 GMT -5
Some book clearing moves as well with Philly (Henderson), Atlanta (Dunleavy) and Chicago (Rondo and Canaan) dumping non-guaranteed deals.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 16:07:15 GMT -5
Rubio to Jazz is done per Salt Lake Journal. Minny sending a 2018 1st.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2017 16:12:35 GMT -5
Rubio to Jazz is done per Salt Lake Journal. Minny sending a 2018 1st. Minny gets a first doesn't give one |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 16:22:08 GMT -5
Madness hasnt even started and I'm mixing things up.
BTW it's OKC's pick I guess.
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Post by digit on Jun 30, 2017 16:43:31 GMT -5
Utah discussing Rubio with Minny. Could have implications on Hayward since it sounded like Utah doesn't want to pony for Hill. If they can do it by tonight, they can take him into 2016 cap space. Meanwhile, Minny might be trying for a big signing (Butler was supposedly recruiting Lowry) That's pretty damned good news for the Celtics, I think - the odds that Hill will be around lessens the Jazz's chances of re-signing Hayward. At least it's better odds than we had a few days ago. What was it, 44 percent chances? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 30, 2017 16:44:24 GMT -5
It literally takes a rocket scientist to figure out every rule regarding the cap and what you can do with players under the cap in the NBA cba.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 16:49:45 GMT -5
I just wonder if people were reading the Hayward/Hill thing wrong.
Why would Utah put themselves behind the 8 ball before FA even starts if Hayward specifically wanted Hill?
Meanwhile, if GH wanted them to pay Hill bc he wanted a vet PG and wouldn't have the room to sign a good one outside of the organization, then this helps them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2017 17:22:04 GMT -5
I like Rubio, but without the right players around him he can really hurt a team. I don't see how Rubio fits with Gobert and Favors. That's 3 non shooters. They have traditional big men, just like Minny. The reason Minny got rid of him was to add more shooting. He needs to be on a team that has bigs that can shoot.
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Post by digit on Jun 30, 2017 17:27:23 GMT -5
A quick check just now indicates yes, they have to do this transaction today. 'Rubio is slated to make 14.25 million dollars next season. The Jazz were 16 million under the salary cap, and had to spend it by today or else they would lose that space.' - from www.good4utah.com/sports/utah-jazz-to-trade-for-ricky-rubio/755073612 ) So, they already know Hill is asking for far more than they want to pay so they are doing this now, and will point towards 'we have a replacement, will you consider it'? instead of telling him straight up "We are not signing Hill." If his desire to really play with Hill is a big factor, though, I don't think this helps. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2017 17:37:29 GMT -5
If Minnesota gets a PG that can shoot they may be legit... right now they don't have enough shooting. How much cap room do they have now?
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Post by digit on Jun 30, 2017 17:42:04 GMT -5
They have -more- cap room after July 1st because the previous cap room they had didn't roll over. Since they've filled Hill's hold with Rubio, that gives them more room to match any offer for Ingles (Haywood's other 'best running mate') in free agency.
It also, I think, give them more room to absorb, say, a three way trade to get Kevin Love before matchig Hayward.
(Note: Nothing is hard fact here, just my quick take based on what I'm seeing on the Jazz blogs.)
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 30, 2017 17:56:44 GMT -5
I like Rubio, but without the right players around him he can really hurt a team. I don't see how Rubio fits with Gobert and Favors. That's 3 non shooters. They have traditional big men, just like Minny. The reason Minny got rid of him was to add more shooting. He needs to be on a team that has bigs that can shoot. Favors isn't part of their long-term plans, so he's irrelevant here. Rubio fits okay, but he doesn't make them much (if at all) better. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2017 18:24:22 GMT -5
I like Rubio, but without the right players around him he can really hurt a team. I don't see how Rubio fits with Gobert and Favors. That's 3 non shooters. They have traditional big men, just like Minny. The reason Minny got rid of him was to add more shooting. He needs to be on a team that has bigs that can shoot. Favors isn't part of their long-term plans, so he's irrelevant here. Rubio fits okay, but he doesn't make them much (if at all) better. Well considering they just traded Lyles, not really. He's the only PF they have. He's going to play major minutes next year unless they can trade him for a PF that fits better. They should have kept Lyles, he seemed like a better fit if your were going to trade for Rubio. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 30, 2017 20:40:42 GMT -5
Favors isn't part of their long-term plans, so he's irrelevant here. Rubio fits okay, but he doesn't make them much (if at all) better. Well considering they just traded Lyles, not really. He's the only PF they have. He's going to play major minutes next year unless they can trade him for a PF that fits better. They should have kept Lyles, he seemed like a better fit if your were going to trade for Rubio. Nope - the plan is to surround Gobert with more shooters. Favors will be gone after next year. Unless they find a good trade this offseason, in which case he'll be gone earlier. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 20:41:26 GMT -5
Looks like plan B is gone as Blake agrees to re-sign with LAC. 5 yrs. 173. Glad Boston didn't go there.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 20:43:18 GMT -5
And Ramona Shelbourne reporting George has been traded to OKC. Wow!
EDIT: Looks like Oladipo and Sabonis, at least.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2017 20:48:21 GMT -5
Oladipo and Sabonis... nice get for Indy - OKC big gamble
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