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2017 Celtics offseason
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 20:52:58 GMT -5
I like it in that the return suggests that Indy isn't going full tank. #Brkstillworse
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Post by tizzle on Jun 30, 2017 20:55:41 GMT -5
They must be enamored with Sabonis, otherwise it's hard to imagine we couldn't easily top that offer, even without BRK or LAL/SAC picks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2017 20:56:36 GMT -5
They are signed and have upside out guys aren't
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Post by Canseco on Jun 30, 2017 21:04:08 GMT -5
Thank goodness we didn't make a silly, shortsighted move for a very likely one-year rental. Now, let's sign Hayward and go forward with our exciting, youthful roster.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 30, 2017 21:09:06 GMT -5
They are signed and have upside out guys aren't I would question exactly how much upside Oladipo really has. He's 25 with 4 years in the NBA. On a team that desperately needed a 2nd scorer, he managed 16 points per. He's that level of scorer and a decent defender and not much else. That's a good player, but not anything approaching great, nor will he ever be. I would argue Smart has more upside, and I'm not particularly a Smart fan. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 21:10:36 GMT -5
So GSW, SA, HOU and OKC now all lI key better than Utah and free agency hasn't started. Are you paying attention Gordon?
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Post by tizzle on Jun 30, 2017 21:12:33 GMT -5
So GSW, SA, HOU and OKC now all lI key better than Utah and free agency hasn't started. Are you paying attention Gordon? With the specter of Lebron to LA in 18. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2017 21:38:47 GMT -5
Well considering they just traded Lyles, not really. He's the only PF they have. He's going to play major minutes next year unless they can trade him for a PF that fits better. They should have kept Lyles, he seemed like a better fit if your were going to trade for Rubio. Nope - the plan is to surround Gobert with more shooters. Favors will be gone after next year. Unless they find a good trade this offseason, in which case he'll be gone earlier. I don't think that's the plan. Otherwise you don't add Rubio. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2017 21:42:18 GMT -5
I don't think the return Indiana got is that great. I guess that proves Danny wouldn't include the Lakers pick.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 30, 2017 21:56:05 GMT -5
If Hayward doesn't sign this off-season will be such a downer. Is there any team in the West that could look at this and say screw it and just trade people to rebuild? Portland? Denver?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2017 21:57:38 GMT -5
Crazy part about today??
Woj is moving and hasn't tweeted a thing.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 30, 2017 22:04:55 GMT -5
If Hayward doesn't sign this off-season will be such a downer. Is there any team in the West that could look at this and say screw it and just trade people to rebuild? Portland? Denver? Cant see it from those teams. Portland probably wants to see if they've found their 3rd stud in Zach Collins. Denver is building with youth, so no. Would hope for New Orleans, obviously. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 30, 2017 22:07:01 GMT -5
Cant see it from those teams. Portland probably wants to see if they've found their 3rd stud in ash Collins. Denver is building with youth, so no. Would hope for New Orleans, obviously. If they lose Jrue on FA, there's a (ridiculously small) chance that NO might do that. I don't think there's much of anything left in the market sadly. Maybe Danny tries to buy low on LMA? |
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Post by tizzle on Jun 30, 2017 22:10:21 GMT -5
Cant see it from those teams. Portland probably wants to see if they've found their 3rd stud in ash Collins. Denver is building with youth, so no. Would hope for New Orleans, obviously. If they lose Jrue on FA, there's a (ridiculously small) chance that NO might do that. I don't think there's much of anything left in the market sadly. Maybe Danny tries to buy low on LMA? I saw something earlier about Jrue likely re-signing. Was just a blurb so I can't speak to its reliability. |
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 30, 2017 22:13:01 GMT -5
They must be enamored with Sabonis, otherwise it's hard to imagine we couldn't easily top that offer, even without BRK or LAL/SAC picks. Part of the problem with having tons of resources is people get greedy. I sometimes think it works against Danny. Teams want too much because they know he has more than he can keep. |
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Post by tizzle on Jun 30, 2017 23:23:50 GMT -5
They must be enamored with Sabonis, otherwise it's hard to imagine we couldn't easily top that offer, even without BRK or LAL/SAC picks. Part of the problem with having tons of resources is people get greedy. I sometimes think it works against Danny. Teams want too much because they know he has more than he can keep. I think you may be right. And I also think, after seeing the Cousins, Butler and George trades, that we just need to get lucky. We need to have a team make their "WTF" trade to us. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2017 0:02:37 GMT -5
Part of the problem with having tons of resources is people get greedy. I sometimes think it works against Danny. Teams want too much because they know he has more than he can keep. I think you may be right. And I also think, after seeing the Cousins, Butler and George trades, that we just need to get lucky. We need to have a team make their "WTF" trade to us. I certainly agree that teams might want more. At the same time Danny is always trying to get a great trade. If he really want any of those 3 players we would have them. Example for George his best offer was Crowder, another player and 3 late first round picks. Not a bad offer, but not a great offer. Other teams are willing to include good young players. Danny won't. Not saying it's a bad thing. Just the main reason we haven't got a star is Danny doesn't seem to really want one. |
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2017 1:56:46 GMT -5
I think you may be right. And I also think, after seeing the Cousins, Butler and George trades, that we just need to get lucky. We need to have a team make their "WTF" trade to us. I certainly agree that teams might want more. At the same time Danny is always trying to get a great trade. If he really want any of those 3 players we would have them. Example for George his best offer was Crowder, another player and 3 late first round picks. Not a bad offer, but not a great offer. Other teams are willing to include good young players. Danny won't. Not saying it's a bad thing. Just the main reason we haven't got a star is Danny doesn't seem to really want one. I have a hard time believing he won't offer any young players. Now, Brown or Tatum? No, he should not be offering that for a guy who has 1 year on his deal. No way. But I'm sure Rozier, Yabusele, Zizic were on the table. The interesting question is how willing he'd be to give up Smart. But the thing is, Crowder/Bradley is still a better offer than Oladipo/Sabonis. You can try to sell it as Upside and youth all you want, but Oladipo is less than 2 years younger than Crowder. He's a scorer, that's all he "excels" at. And with a team desperately trying to turn him into an offensive focal point, he scored 2 more points per game than JC. And Crowder costs $14 mil less. At least he and Bradley are re-tradeable. Any contender in the NBA would be glad to give something up for each of them. Oladipo at 21 mil is an albatross. Unless Sabonis turns out to be worlds better than the bust he looked like this year, the Pacers dealt George for an overpaid rotation player and a throw-in. Cant blame Danny for not giving up premium assets to top that. He did, apparently, top it with 3 1st rounders. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 1, 2017 6:42:08 GMT -5
I must say I am not upset at the fact the PG trade is not happening, especially since he is not going to LA yet. I will be satisfied with adding GH, if that doesn't happen I will be disappointed.
Who could be available via trade to help on the boards and protecting the rim?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 1, 2017 7:22:18 GMT -5
They must be enamored with Sabonis, otherwise it's hard to imagine we couldn't easily top that offer, even without BRK or LAL/SAC picks. Part of the problem with having tons of resources is people get greedy. I sometimes think it works against Danny. Teams want too much because they know he has more than he can keep. Perhaps true but if so, bad on the other team for not acting in its best interests and good on Danny. |
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Post by artfuldodger on Jul 1, 2017 7:28:57 GMT -5
Would you add too many future dollars to sign GH and make a similar offer as PG for DeAndre Jordan?
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 1, 2017 7:40:39 GMT -5
I think you may be right. And I also think, after seeing the Cousins, Butler and George trades, that we just need to get lucky. We need to have a team make their "WTF" trade to us. I certainly agree that teams might want more. At the same time Danny is always trying to get a great trade. If he really want any of those 3 players we would have them. Example for George his best offer was Crowder, another player and 3 late first round picks. Not a bad offer, but not a great offer. Other teams are willing to include good young players. Danny won't. Not saying it's a bad thing. Just the main reason we haven't got a star is Danny doesn't seem to really want one. I agree with all three statements. Teams see all of the assets and think that Danny will trade some, maybe a lot to get what he wants. Danny is ALWAYS trying to get a great trade, like the Brooklyn trade. If he truly wanted those 3 players he would have made it happen. It seems that crowder, Bradley/smart and 1 Celtic 1st rounder looks better than the trade the pacers made. For a one year guy how much do you want to give up? Cousins is a great player , but is very toxic. Do not think either Danny or Brad would want him messing up the team chemistry. Butler to me is a tough one. He looks like he fits everything that the team would want. Does it say that Danny values tatum and brown more than butler? I think brown and one of the guards, smart,rozier, maybe Bradley is a fair deal. No bk picks or tatum, The C's want scoring so I would take a chance on Brown to trade and not Tatum. |
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 1, 2017 7:42:01 GMT -5
I think you may be right. And I also think, after seeing the Cousins, Butler and George trades, that we just need to get lucky. We need to have a team make their "WTF" trade to us. I certainly agree that teams might want more. At the same time Danny is always trying to get a great trade. If he really want any of those 3 players we would have them. Example for George his best offer was Crowder, another player and 3 late first round picks. Not a bad offer, but not a great offer. Other teams are willing to include good young players. Danny won't. Not saying it's a bad thing. Just the main reason we haven't got a star is Danny doesn't seem to really want one. I disagree. I think the reported Celtics offer was significantly better than what Indiana took in the end. People rail on DD for overpaying on trades with young assets, and then get mad at Danny for not being willing to do the same thing. |
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 1, 2017 7:48:07 GMT -5
I am with pedro, I am no rocket scientist, so I need you guys to figure out the cap numbers? What happens now if the C's do not get Hayward? What's left of FA's and who would we go after? I read where Danny's hording the picks so that he can increase his odds of getting porter next year. The idea being that even if he does not get a top 3 pick he trades with the top team in the draft to get it, using is stockpile of extra 1st rounder's. Not sure how valid that is .
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 1, 2017 7:53:06 GMT -5
I certainly agree that teams might want more. At the same time Danny is always trying to get a great trade. If he really want any of those 3 players we would have them. Example for George his best offer was Crowder, another player and 3 late first round picks. Not a bad offer, but not a great offer. Other teams are willing to include good young players. Danny won't. Not saying it's a bad thing. Just the main reason we haven't got a star is Danny doesn't seem to really want one. I have a hard time believing he won't offer any young players. Now, Brown or Tatum? No, he should not be offering that for a guy who has 1 year on his deal. No way. But I'm sure Rozier, Yabusele, Zizic were on the table. The interesting question is how willing he'd be to give up Smart. But the thing is, Crowder/Bradley is still a better offer than Oladipo/Sabonis. You can try to sell it as Upside and youth all you want, but Oladipo is less than 2 years younger than Crowder. He's a scorer, that's all he "excels" at. And with a team desperately trying to turn him into an offensive focal point, he scored 2 more points per game than JC. And Crowder costs $14 mil less. At least he and Bradley are re-tradeable. Any contender in the NBA would be glad to give something up for each of them. Oladipo at 21 mil is an albatross. Unless Sabonis turns out to be worlds better than the bust he looked like this year, the Pacers dealt George for an overpaid rotation player and a throw-in. Cant blame Danny for not giving up premium assets to top that. He did, apparently, top it with 3 1st rounders. Exactly, what made this a great trade for the Thunder is not only getting better in the short term, but if PG doesn't resign, they cleared a ton of cap space being used on mediocre talent to sign someone else. BTW, if reports are true, I might not be so inclined to move Zizic for a rental. People were saying he would have been a lottery pick this year. Of course, next year's draft is stacked with bigs, so if we land one or two in the top 5, we could be getting exactly what we need going forward. |
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