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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2017 13:55:00 GMT -5
Presti is a great GM... he gets George which gives him a chance to keep him and Westbrook and if they walk he got rid of a bad contract that would have hurt his tear down and rebuild.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2017 13:58:43 GMT -5
That's not what the reports are saying. The Pacers probably didn't want to risk facing George and being extended by Boston and be made to look bad. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2017 14:05:29 GMT -5
The problem is Indiana never wanted to trade George to Boston anyways. Anyone who blames Ainge for anything this offseason is completely ignorant of the facts. I agree with you on the George trade. What do you think about not getting butler? CBS sports gave Danny a D. Two issues with that. Danny was never going to make that trade before trying to sign Hayward. It just makes getting Hayward harder. Second Butler isn't the fit that George and Hayward are. His lack of shooting being the biggest issue. You can even add a third issue what the Bulls would have wanted. I'm sure they wanted the #3 pick in this years draft. The guy at CBS is an idiot in my opinion. He's not looking at the big picture. Only what Butler got traded for and that Celtics could have easily beat the offer. Which they could have. Thing is if you add Butler and no one else. What does that do for you? I don't see Butler being enough to beat Cavs. You can't beat the Warriors. I wouldn't have traded the #3 pick straight up for Butler. Tatum is our future. When he hits his prime, the Cavs and Warriors will be old. Ainge would have went hard after George if he got Hayward. I think he would have given up the Lakers pick. That made sense though. You keep your best assets for future Brown, Tatum, and Nets pick next year. Plus get a team that can potentially beat Cleveland and matches up well with Warriors. You get the best of both worlds. You don't start going all in for Butler though. That's just stupid. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2017 14:10:25 GMT -5
That's not what the reports are saying. The Pacers probably didn't want to risk facing George and being extended by Boston and be made to look bad. You can't believe some reports, while just overlooking the other ones. Like the one I posted. The truth is most likely in the middle like I said. The Pacers don't even play in our division and will be years away from competing. I don't buy the they wouldn't trade him to Boston rumors one bit. If Boston gave the best offer they would have George. Danny was waiting on Heyward and the Pacers moved on. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2017 14:15:59 GMT -5
That's not what the reports are saying. The Pacers probably didn't want to risk facing George and being extended by Boston and be made to look bad. You can't believe some reports, while just overlooking the other ones. Like the one I posted. The truth is most likely in the middle like I said. The Pacers don't even play in our division and will be years away from competing. I don't buy the they wouldn't trade him to Boston rumors one bit. If Boston gave the best offer they would have George. Danny was waiting on Heyward and the Pacers moved on. I agree on the idea that the Pacers didn't do the best thing for their organization but to walk away so quickly and to not give the Celtics a shot at a deal is perplexing. You just have to wonder why they did that. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2017 14:18:52 GMT -5
What does everyone think of trading for Carmelo Anthony if the Celtics get Hayward? Same idea and concept as the Paul George thing (although Carmelo makes a little more than George this year). Obviously he's not George but adding him wouldn't hurt and he can actually play the Power Forward position and can rebound well. He fits the need of scoring and rebounding on this team.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2017 14:32:52 GMT -5
Much smaller cost in assets but:
- Unlike George, he needs the ball a lot.
- Not the defender George is
- Significant trade kicker.
- Just don't think he's a guy you want to lead younger guys (admittedly, thats my opinion)
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2017 14:39:46 GMT -5
Ingles resigned with Utah... close with Hayward
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2017 14:47:20 GMT -5
Contracts like Ingles are why I don't think Oladipo contract is bad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2017 14:52:57 GMT -5
Contracts like Ingles are why I don't think Oladipo contract is bad. It's bad for a rebuilding team it's not bad if you already have your players and are resigning him or adding him to your core.. there's a difference. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 2, 2017 15:13:58 GMT -5
What does everyone think of trading for Carmelo Anthony if the Celtics get Hayward? Same idea and concept as the Paul George thing (although Carmelo makes a little more than George this year). Obviously he's not George but adding him wouldn't hurt and he can actually play the Power Forward position and can rebound well. He fits the need of scoring and rebounding on this team. Anthony is a ball hog and not worth the headaches he brings. Pass big time. |
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Post by tizzle on Jul 2, 2017 19:35:58 GMT -5
I would hope we're talking to Porter. If we can't get Hayward, he'd be my plan B (or D or whatever letter we're up to by now).
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2017 23:05:59 GMT -5
Been feeling for a couple of years now that Millsap and Denver just made sense.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2017 0:33:52 GMT -5
Wow the West is going to be tough. A lot of these moves make sense, but the Warriors are in the West. I thought a bunch of teams would just try and wait them out. The exact opposite has happend.
Talk about Daniel Gallinari going to Clippers. Which would be great. We don't overpay him and it helps our future Clipper pick.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 3, 2017 6:41:41 GMT -5
So with what we know right now. What do you give our chances of signing Hayward? If we do not get him what is Danny's next step?
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 3, 2017 7:12:46 GMT -5
Not long ago I would have put the chances around 75% that we get Hayward, not so sure about that anymore. Not sure if 50/50 is the answer.
What really sucks is that Danny's next move, if there is one, will be to make a trade that could be lopsided given the way teams have been negotiating with him. Thankfully he has been smart about that thus far. It will be disappointing if nothing is done.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 3, 2017 8:10:44 GMT -5
I'd say our chances are low we get Hayward. I feel like he's Miami bound. It was eerily quiet about their meeting yesterday. It sounds like we may know as early as tonight.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 3, 2017 8:12:25 GMT -5
The West is blowing up... I don't know why the Lakers are poking around Rondo but I hope they don't sign him.
Other than that and Brooklyn not getting better; I'd really like it if some
of these other teams improve a little so Brooklyn is still the worst team in the league
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 3, 2017 8:14:11 GMT -5
I'd say our chances are low we get Hayward. I feel like he's Miami bound. It was eerily quiet about their meeting yesterday. It sounds like we may know as early as tonight. To be fair, the Celtics FO is always pretty good at preventing leaks. I'm not counting on him coming here, but I think they still have a pretty good shot. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 3, 2017 8:23:08 GMT -5
I wonder if they would go after Rudy Gay on a 1+1 deal if they miss out on Hayward.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 3, 2017 9:22:00 GMT -5
I'd say our chances are low we get Hayward. I feel like he's Miami bound. It was eerily quiet about their meeting yesterday. It sounds like we may know as early as tonight. I really don't see Miami. He doesn't seem like the guy to go for the south beach lifestyle, doesn't seem like he'd care too much about the lack of state income tax. I think if he leaves Utah he comes here. Not sure he'll do that, but I think we have easily a way more compelling argument that if he wants to compete, this is where he should be |
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Post by prangerx on Jul 3, 2017 9:39:30 GMT -5
I'd say our chances are low we get Hayward. I feel like he's Miami bound. It was eerily quiet about their meeting yesterday. It sounds like we may know as early as tonight. I really don't see Miami. He doesn't seem like the guy to go for the south beach lifestyle, doesn't seem like he'd care too much about the lack of state income tax. I think if he leaves Utah he comes here. Not sure he'll do that, but I think we have easily a way more compelling argument that if he wants to compete, this is where he should be Celtics make more sense to me too. But i get the feeling he is leaning towards Miami now. Not just because of the weather and state tax. Apparently he is concerned with playing with Isaiah and not getting the ball enough. Which sounds silly to me if true. Hopefully, Celtics do get him. But I don't feel confident like I would have a few weeks ago It just doesn't feel like he really wants to come. But who knows, this off season has featured a lot of surprises. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 3, 2017 9:45:48 GMT -5
Regarding Miami remember he had a smoking hot wife who probably had some input on where they live.
I don't buy the IT stuff; he's been begging for more help and showed he can share the ball. Plus, why would you worry about Thomas but not Dragic and Waiter? Both those guys want the ball a lot.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jul 3, 2017 12:16:17 GMT -5
I'd say our chances are low we get Hayward. I feel like he's Miami bound. It was eerily quiet about their meeting yesterday. It sounds like we may know as early as tonight. I really don't see Miami. He doesn't seem like the guy to go for the south beach lifestyle, doesn't seem like he'd care too much about the lack of state income tax. I think if he leaves Utah he comes here. Not sure he'll do that, but I think we have easily a way more compelling argument that if he wants to compete, this is where he should be Based on what? I love how people who have never met him are speculating about whether he would enjoy living in South Beach or whether he would care about paying less taxes. A side note, everyone makes a big deal about the taxes, but the tax benefits are less than might be expected because they pay taxes where they earn the money. Professional athletes file taxes in every state in which they play games. So really, half of his games would be in income tax free Miami. The rest would basically be the same. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2017 12:47:32 GMT -5
Anybody that thinks a player won't want to live in Miami and enjoy South Beach hasn't been there. It the closet thing to being in the Caribbean the US has to offer. Crystal blue water, nice white sand, great night life. All the top end shops a women could ever want. It's not hard to sell Miami to a player.
The only thing Boston has an advantage on is winning. We have a brighter future and can give Hayward a better chance at a title. At the same time I can hear his wife telling him Miami is the place she wants to be. Boston just can't compete with Miami. We are going to find out what matters the most to him. If he chooses Boston it will be winning over life style. I'm just not holding my breath.
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