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Post by texs31 on Jul 9, 2017 12:12:04 GMT -5
Not sure KCP should expect more at this point. That being said, they have a bunch of wings who make next to nothing. Why commit years of cap space on him?
Keep using space to take on contracts and get 1sts or young, cheap players as the charge.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 9, 2017 12:37:42 GMT -5
Tatum has already proved to me that he deserves minutes over Brown. Brown on the other hand has shown us what he did last year. Flashes of brilliance, with a bunch of so so play mixed in. I wanted Murray in the draft and what a perfect fit he would be right now. If the right deal came along I would trade Brown. Tatum has to play big minutes, he might be our best rebounder right now.
It just sucks we don't have the full mid level exception. You could probably get a Dedmon, Green or Len if you had that much money. I really like Alex Len. He rebounds at a very high level and protects the rim. He's a true center that would add the size we really need. Reports say Suns prefer Williams long-term and he could be had. Thing is I don't see them not matching a 2 year 8.8 million deal and that's all we can offer. He is young and could grow with the team. I thought about a trade, but we just don't have the contracts to match up.
I like Nader he looks good enough to make an NBA roster. I do think some people are a little high him though. What is his upside? Guys like Mickey dominated the D league and never did anything in the NBA. Ojeleye has some upside as he is a freak athlete.
Don't give me the this team isn't in a spot to win a title so we shouldn't even try bit again. We have the firepower to be a true contender this year! We lacked go to scorers and now we should have 3 of them in Thomas, Hayward and Tatum. We still have very good depth, it's just not the right mix. We lack the size needed to match up against Cleveland. You need a big force inside to match up against Thompson and Love. A Dedmon and Len type player. A player that can really rebound and block shots for 15-20 minutes a night.
We have waited years to use our cap space and now we have. Outside a few more good picks this is our roster. No need to preserve cap space anymore. Like it our not we are going to try and win. Danny's comments say just that. He's not done by any means. It's refreshing to hear him speak like that. In the past it was we like our team and don't want to mess with Chemistry. The we are building for the future talk needs to stop. We are building for now!
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Post by texs31 on Jul 9, 2017 12:52:52 GMT -5
Toronto finalizing a deal to trade Cory Joseph to Indiana in a Sign and Trade for CJ Miles.
With Wright ready to be the backup PG, exchanging Carroll for Miles is an improvement.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 9, 2017 12:55:29 GMT -5
The Nets are selling themselves a little short in my opinion. To take on a bad contract and get a Russell is one thing. To do it for a late first round pick is so so. Cap space is on it's way to becoming what it was a couple years ago. They should be trying to get a young player and a pick. They hold all the leverage as there might not have been another team willing to take on that contract. I also hated how they sent the Lakers a first round pick along with Lopez to get Russell. Lopez and taking on that contract should have been more than enough.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 9, 2017 13:08:13 GMT -5
It's a balancing act. No need to do something stupid, like trading 20 year old Jaylen Brown because he's not a finished product yet... jeez
And sure add a center but you only really have 4.4m to do it.
No one is saying they don't want to win now. But I'm still for being prudent and patient. Not forcing a deal.
Nader has the potential to be a really nice player in this league. All-star? Improbable but a strong rotation guy, surely. He's much smoother than I expected and he seems like a guy that should improve every year like Bradley did. (Only comparing improvements not the players - before anyone gets bent out of shape)
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2017 13:49:34 GMT -5
Tatum's game is remarkably reminiscent of Pierce's. I love his polish...he looks like an immediate major contributor. If he can elevate his defensive play the way Pierce did, that trade will be the steal of the decade. If Pierce is "The Truth," let's hope Tatum is "The Justice."
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 9, 2017 13:56:51 GMT -5
Truth, Justice and the American Way.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2017 14:06:35 GMT -5
Truth, Justice and the American Way. Haha! Exactly. Hopefully they pick up some Euro big man with one of those two high picks and he can be "The American Way." Ironic nicknames are always a plus. |
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 9, 2017 14:18:13 GMT -5
It's a balancing act. No need to do something stupid, like trading 20 year old Jaylen Brown because he's not a finished product yet... jeez And sure add a center but you only really have 4.4m to do it. No one is saying they don't want to win now. But I'm still for being prudent and patient. Not forcing a deal. Nader has the potential to be a really nice player in this league. All-star? Improbable but a strong rotation guy, surely. He's much smoother than I expected and he seems like a guy that should improve every year like Bradley did. (Only comparing improvements not the players - before anyone gets bent out of shape) I do not think anyone said trade Brown. I think that the word is Tatum looks better especially on the offensive end than Brown , so will probably play ahead of him in the rotation. I think teams have burnt themselves out a little and need to regroup. I think in late August early September you will see teams make another burst of activity trying to set final rosters. It is possible , depending on who Danny would get that he would include Brown IF he thought he was getting the big rebounder that they need. But, Danny has been very almost too careful with his assets, and I do not think he will change. the odds are slim that Brown would get moved. You have lots of assets to get a big not just 4.4 mil. Smart, Morris and Crowder could be moved to get a player. who is worth a lot more than 4.4 mil. |
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Post by prangerx on Jul 9, 2017 14:33:39 GMT -5
Brown and Tatum can co-exist and thrive. With Thomas likely getting the final max spot next year we need at least one of them to become a superstar to really put this team over the top. The good part is that the Brooklyn/LAL or Sac picks should give us additional chances for a transformative player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 9, 2017 14:39:14 GMT -5
I never said force a trade. Heck you don't even have to make a trade. You might get lucky and get a decent big for the room exception. Money is drying up and there are a ton of bigs available.
I'm not sure trading Brown in the right deal would be stupid. A bunch of you are only looking at his strenghs and not his huge weaknesses. Watching the summer league Tatum is showing you what a star in the making looks like. He is the real deal, no questions about it. He has shown you everything. He can score, rebound, pass and even play D. I was highly impressed with his 5 steal performance. Brown should be dominating and he only did that for one game. His lack of feel for the game, low Basket IQ and lack of skills is glaring for a guy a bunch of people think is a future star. At the minimum I would expect him to dominate the glass with his elite athletic ability and he just doesn't do that. You see flashes, but it reminds me of Smart. I can see him becoming a good player in this league, but a star is a reach. I don't see any star qualities besides elite athleticism and the ability to drive. What's his comp? I can't think of any player like him that became a star.
You don't do a Joe Johnson trade, that would be stupid. At the same time he isn't an untouchable player in my eyes. Not untill at the minimum he can use his elite athleticism to rebound and play great D. He disapears for long stretches and never fills the stat sheets.
Again you are way too high on Nader. I could see him reaching rotation player, but it's not even close to a given. For one if he never plays he has no chance of proving anything. I don't see enough minutes for Morris, Crowder, Hayward, Tatum and Brown. Even if you play small ball and play some of them at SG. If there are no better options I have no problem sticking him on the bench. At the same time if we can sign a good vet big I have no problem waiving him. The only way that changes is if he can play SG.
I also don't think Theis should be looked at as a roster lock either. More like a guy that needs to earn a roster spot in training camp. Jackson needs to go, like ASAP. Waste of a roster space.
Danny just needs to get a legit center. I don't care how he does it, but we need one in the worst way. I would add Yabu in a trade if need be. He's another guy that just doesn't fit the roster and won't see much playing time. Maybe Yabu, Jackson and Nader for Len in a sign and trade. Not sure how long you have to wait to trade a rookie after signing them.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 9, 2017 15:13:10 GMT -5
Baynes it is. He gets 1 yr at 4.3. Per Shams Charnia.
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2017 15:16:23 GMT -5
I'm actually kind of down on Tatum's defense after the first few summer league games. A bunch of those steals weren't "earned" (just sloppy passes or ballhandling where the ball found their way to him) and Tatum's been beat a lot off the dribble by less athletic guys.
What tools doesn't Brown have? Besides the obvious athleticism, he's already made significant improvements in his shooting and finishing at the rim and he has all the tools (though not the polish yet) to be a monster defensively. He's still raw, more so than Tatum, but you shouldn't expect 20-year-olds to be finished products. In terms of players who came into the league with similar profiles who then became stars, think Paul George or Kawhi Leonard.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 9, 2017 15:28:29 GMT -5
How am I too high on Nader? I called him potentially a strong rotation player . Then you called him a potential rotation player so... huh?
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Post by wesmantooth on Jul 9, 2017 15:55:41 GMT -5
Couldn't not post this. That IS Larry Legend.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 9, 2017 16:41:43 GMT -5
I'm actually kind of down on Tatum's defense after the first few summer league games. A bunch of those steals weren't "earned" (just sloppy passes or ballhandling where the ball found their way to him) and Tatum's been beat a lot off the dribble by less athletic guys. What tools doesn't Brown have? Besides the obvious athleticism, he's already made significant improvements in his shooting and finishing at the rim and he has all the tools (though not the polish yet) to be a monster defensively. He's still raw, more so than Tatum, but you shouldn't expect 20-year-olds to be finished products. In terms of players who came into the league with similar profiles who then became stars, think Paul George or Kawhi Leonard. Snapshot in time right NOW. Tatum is a superior offensive player to Brown. Tatum can get his own shot. Brown does not appear to be able to. If today's game is offense, then Tatum should be ahead of Brown in the rotation. It is a great problem to have. Maybe Brown develops on the scoring end and what a luxury. Hayward, tatum and brown all who can score. Having the tools and having the polish to use them effectively in the game are two different things. Tatum's ability to make shots is something you are born with not taught. That is not saying that Brown will not be a good player. I agree yabu and the german player are not sure things to make the roster. |
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Post by soxjim on Jul 9, 2017 17:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 9, 2017 17:46:31 GMT -5
what a hot button this is. Pedro likes 3 yrs not quite max numbers. I tend to agree. umass likes IT a lot and thinks he has to be paid. He won lots of games last year in the 4th quarter and is the draw for a guy like Hayward to come to the Celtic's. I think the statement must bring the brinks truck to resign in Danny's mind is not going to happen. In my mind he deserves good money not max money. Have a hard time with paying anyone $40 mil type numbers. But I am an old guy so what do I know. If you are going to pay a guy top dollar then I think the team HAS to believe that he can lead them to the title. I do not think IT can lead the Celtic's to the promise lad. Too small on defense for what the C's have for height. 5'9" people have a short career at the all star level because their body can not handle the constant pounding. So I agree for those reasons with Pedro and pay good money, but for only 3 years. The brinks truck next year is going to go out again for somebody in the league but it will not be coming from a boston bank. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 9, 2017 18:27:55 GMT -5
Isaiah won't be super max eligible nor will he have 10 years so his max will be more like Hayward. They have to pay him... hopefully 3 years but if it's gotta be 4 then it's 4.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 9, 2017 18:39:14 GMT -5
I can't blame Isaiah based on his production and his heart. He has always had to prove himself so he wants that recognition financially..not that he needs the money. He is also the C's foremost ambassador/recruiter. But there is only so much money and he has major defensive shortcomings. If push comes to shove, he could be a casualty.
Is Aron Baynes a throwback or does he moonlight on WWE? I come from Maine and we have some backwoods loggers that look like that. Maybe he can clear out some timber under the boards.
Good article that profiled Baynes and his ability to help...
Forsberg;http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19947380/boston-celtics-plan-sign-center-aron-baynes
BTW why isn't Rozier in the summer league??
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 9, 2017 22:37:37 GMT -5
How am I too high on Nader? I called him potentially a strong rotation player . Then you called him a potential rotation player so... huh? I'm sorry but your first two sentences say strong rotational player, surely. If that's not what you meant ok, but it sounds like you think it's a given he's a strong rotational player. More like he has a small chance of becoming that type of player. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 9, 2017 22:38:11 GMT -5
I can't blame Isaiah based on his production and his heart. He has always had to prove himself so he wants that recognition financially..not that he needs the money. He is also the C's foremost ambassador/recruiter. But there is only so much money and he has major defensive shortcomings. If push comes to shove, he could be a casualty. Is Aron Baynes a throwback or does he moonlight on WWE? I come from Maine and we have some backwoods loggers that look like that. Maybe he can clear out some timber under the boards. Good article that profiled Baynes and his ability to help... Forsberg;http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19947380/boston-celtics-plan-sign-center-aron-baynes BTW why isn't Rozier in the summer league?? Can only play for two years. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 10, 2017 6:09:48 GMT -5
Ok, my memory failed me. I thought he was drafted later. Thanks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 10, 2017 6:45:08 GMT -5
How am I too high on Nader? I called him potentially a strong rotation player . Then you called him a potential rotation player so... huh? I'm sorry but your first two sentences say strong rotational player, surely. If that's not what you meant ok, but it sounds like you think it's a given he's a strong rotational player. More like he has a small chance of becoming that type of player. My first sentence was he has the POTENTIAL to be a really nice player in the league and I qualified it by making that potential as a strong rotation player. That was done to show what I meant by a really nice player in his case. Going back to his time at Iowa State, I feel comfortable saying he's a guy that was a later bloomer and just seems to steadily improve. He's like the Tortoise. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 10, 2017 6:48:10 GMT -5
I can't blame Isaiah based on his production and his heart. He has always had to prove himself so he wants that recognition financially..not that he needs the money. He is also the C's foremost ambassador/recruiter. But there is only so much money and he has major defensive shortcomings. If push comes to shove, he could be a casualty. Is Aron Baynes a throwback or does he moonlight on WWE? I come from Maine and we have some backwoods loggers that look like that. Maybe he can clear out some timber under the boards. Good article that profiled Baynes and his ability to help... Forsberg;http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19947380/boston-celtics-plan-sign-center-aron-baynes BTW why isn't Rozier in the summer league?? Can only play for two years. Is this limited to for one team? James Young is playing again and he's played in more than 2 at this point or did he have injuries? |
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