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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2017 19:20:01 GMT -5
On a more positive note... Kyrie looks down right dominant and it makes me happy watching him play
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Post by texs31 on Oct 12, 2017 19:45:24 GMT -5
I think both Smart and Rozier have the ceilings of, say, an average (maybe above-average, but sub-All-Star) NBA starter. That's a very useful player! But I think both their ceilings are comparable and would characterize neither of them as high-ceiling players. I would just add that, right now, only 1 of them brings an elite skill to the floor with them (Smart's defense). If they can get some shooting (either by their improvement or from other members of the 2nd unit) that's a formidable tandem on the next 5. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 12, 2017 20:53:32 GMT -5
On a more positive note... Kyrie looks down right dominant and it makes me happy watching him play He's everything the Celtics have been looking for ever since they started this rebuild project. Cleveland is going to regret making this guys miserable and making him want out and/or picking LeBron over Kyrie for the future and present. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 13, 2017 7:23:50 GMT -5
Should the Celtics extend Smart now or wait it out and let him go to restricted free agency?
How far would you be willing to go to extend him today?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2017 7:34:49 GMT -5
Should the Celtics extend Smart now or wait it out and let him go to restricted free agency? How far would you be willing to go to extend him today? They have until October 16th or something like that to extend him or they'll have no choice but to let him go to restricted free agency. It's risky going to restricted free agency. Someone could overvalue him. It's a tough call. I'm sure the Celtics are trying to extend him now though. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 13, 2017 8:08:39 GMT -5
Should the Celtics extend Smart now or wait it out and let him go to restricted free agency? How far would you be willing to go to extend him today? I would say to do it now as I expect him to add value during the season by improving his overall game due to his weight loss and experience. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 13, 2017 9:14:27 GMT -5
My guess is that it doesn't get done. BRobb (BSJ) just did an article talking about it.
It's such an interesting case bc of the factors that will impact is contract:
1. His best skill isn't something that typically gets paid
2. He's still young in age and some feel that just a little improvement will turn him into a 2-way player.
3. There are actually a lot of PGs out there (whether it be guys who are better, prospects with higher upside, or just guys that teams have invested in).
4. The money could dry up quickly. There just aren't a lot of teams that will have the space to spend on him (though that could change if his offense does improve). This weekend is also the deadline for teams to pick up the options on rookie contracts. This will a give a little more clarity on who can create room (without trades) but much of the room creation will be based on Cap Holds and we won't know that until next offseason. Still, after this weekend, we could probably make some reasonable guesses on who will/won't have space.
It's also interesting to note that Danny has only extended 2 rookie contracts (Perkins and Rondo). Both were very team friendly and (as BRobb points out) both were probably regretted by the player soon after signing.
Now that 2 should come with the understanding that how many of the rookies would have even been considered by ANY team for an extension. Picking where they typically picked, you're not as likely to get players worthy of that money.
My guess is that, unless they can get him for under 15 per, he's going to go to restricted free agency.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 13, 2017 9:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Oct 13, 2017 10:44:52 GMT -5
That will be thing for Danny and Marcus. Is this who Marcus is? Then 10% is about right. Will Marcus' improve? Then he's probably worth a bit more (would 12-14 sound right, if he does improve his offense??).
I think both sides are going to bet on themselves and head to restricted free agency.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 13, 2017 11:05:38 GMT -5
If Smart would take what you guys are proposing I would be all for it but I expect that he didn't lose all that weight to not bet on himself having a break out season. He is one of the most tenacious players I have ever seen and Danny loves that but I'm not so sure the C's will pay him as much as another team that is rebuilding. There will be a team that doesn't have 3 stars to pay willing to pay him. So will he be traded to maximize the asset once he shows the improvement I expect this year? They can keep him for the playoffs only if it looks like they can compete for the finals, can they be that good this quickly?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 13, 2017 11:38:19 GMT -5
If Smart would take what you guys are proposing I would be all for it but I expect that he didn't lose all that weight to not bet on himself having a break out season. He is one of the most tenacious players I have ever seen and Danny loves that but I'm not so sure the C's will pay him as much as another team that is rebuilding. There will be a team that doesn't have 3 stars to pay willing to pay him. So will he be traded to maximize the asset once he shows the improvement I expect this year? They can keep him for the playoffs only if it looks like they can compete for the finals, can they be that good this quickly? It's likely less about paying him as much as another team as it is about getting the best deal. He will be restricted next year so most likely a big offer never comes. Look at Noel. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 13, 2017 13:38:31 GMT -5
Boston signed Daniel Ochefu according to reports. Question is whether or not he's filling the 14th spot or did Boston just make this transaction to get his G-League rights?
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 13, 2017 14:03:15 GMT -5
If Smart would take what you guys are proposing I would be all for it but I expect that he didn't lose all that weight to not bet on himself having a break out season. He is one of the most tenacious players I have ever seen and Danny loves that but I'm not so sure the C's will pay him as much as another team that is rebuilding. There will be a team that doesn't have 3 stars to pay willing to pay him. So will he be traded to maximize the asset once he shows the improvement I expect this year? They can keep him for the playoffs only if it looks like they can compete for the finals, can they be that good this quickly? It's likely less about paying him as much as another team as it is about getting the best deal. He will be restricted next year so most likely a big offer never comes. Look at Noel. It will depend on how good a year he has. If he improves on offense substantially he could get an offer the C's will find hard to match. You could be right and an offer never comes. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2017 14:17:03 GMT -5
Boston signed Daniel Ochefu according to reports. Question is whether or not he's filling the 14th spot or did Boston just make this transaction to get his G-League rights? I imagine he's got a chance to stick as the third fill-in center. Just a warm body who's a DNP 80-90% of the time. They just needed a big body at the end of the roster. I like it personally. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 14, 2017 12:26:09 GMT -5
Boston signed Daniel Ochefu according to reports. Question is whether or not he's filling the 14th spot or did Boston just make this transaction to get his G-League rights? I imagine he's got a chance to stick as the third fill-in center. Just a warm body who's a DNP 80-90% of the time. They just needed a big body at the end of the roster. I like it personally. He may not be great but he is an athletic flyswatter and good rebounder. This team has a place for those attributes. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 14, 2017 12:29:50 GMT -5
It's likely less about paying him as much as another team as it is about getting the best deal. He will be restricted next year so most likely a big offer never comes. Look at Noel. It will depend on how good a year he has. If he improves on offense substantially he could get an offer the C's will find hard to match. You could be right and an offer never comes. That's really a catch-22 though. If Smart improves his offense substantially you are going to be willing to pay him a good amount. Smart would have to have one heck of a year for a team to offer him a max deal of 4 years and 106 million or anything even close to that. That would be a very good problem to have if Smart came anywhere near that level of play. Our owner will spend to keep a true championship level team together. He has in the past and said he would again in the future. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 14, 2017 12:31:10 GMT -5
Our old friend Jordan Mickey is having a very nice preseason for the Heat.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 14, 2017 18:23:19 GMT -5
Our old friend Jordan Mickey is having a very nice preseason for the Heat. And Gerald Greene was cut by the Bucks who decided to go with 14 players instead of having him on the roster... rough |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 14, 2017 22:52:28 GMT -5
Our old friend Jordan Mickey is having a very nice preseason for the Heat. I was almost on that bandwagon, like much closer to being a true believer than I ever was with James Young. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 15, 2017 6:12:46 GMT -5
Our old friend Jordan Mickey is having a very nice preseason for the Heat. I was almost on that bandwagon, like much closer to being a true believer than I ever was with James Young. James Young was a waste of talent. Maybe he goes the Gerald Green route and has an NBA career but Danny should have known he was immature and had no work ethic. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 15, 2017 10:49:43 GMT -5
Just a prediction
Tatum will play around 23 min/gm, 12. pts. 5.5 rb 2.5. assists
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 16, 2017 8:18:39 GMT -5
Looks like Tatum will start tomorrow so that Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford lineup will get a good look tomorrow night. Can't wait...
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 16, 2017 10:03:44 GMT -5
Yup! Much anticipation!
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 16, 2017 13:39:31 GMT -5
If Baynes can't go or is limited in minutes who do they go to after Tatum? Which one of these guys gets the most minutes Theis, Yabu, or Ojelye.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 16, 2017 13:43:22 GMT -5
If Baynes can't go or is limited in minutes who do they go to after Tatum? Which one of these guys gets the most minutes Theis, Yabu, or Ojelye. Theis will probably get more minutes than any of the other two players combined this year, but that's just my guess. |
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