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Post by soxfansince67 on May 30, 2017 22:37:00 GMT -5
the final score" ------------------------- 11-8 RS sounds good. I think both teams are about tapped out (I hope). Of course it would help if we get a clean inning from Hembree...to set the tone for long outing from the pen. You will be close...11-7 going to the 9th. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 30, 2017 22:42:44 GMT -5
Mitch Moreland - your turn!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 30, 2017 22:48:22 GMT -5
No good reason for Kimbrel to pitch the 9th. Hmmm.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 30, 2017 22:51:20 GMT -5
Mookie...just incredible bat speed.
We are going to wish we saved some of these hits and runs....
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 30, 2017 22:57:17 GMT -5
Bad managing here. Chasing the almighty save.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2017 23:00:05 GMT -5
Kimbrel needs to pitch in 6 run games, it's crucial to winning.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2017 23:25:02 GMT -5
White Sox broadcast in the postgame-
"I'm not quite sure why they left in Kimbrel in the 9th inning with a 6 run lead, but they did....."
Lol welcome to our world White Sox broadcast people.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 30, 2017 23:33:19 GMT -5
White Sox broadcast in the postgame- "I'm not quite sure why they left in Kimbrel in the 9th inning with a 6 run lead, but they did....." Lol welcome to our world White Sox broadcast people. It's FOB (Fear of Barnes!) |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2017 23:37:03 GMT -5
White Sox broadcast in the postgame- "I'm not quite sure why they left in Kimbrel in the 9th inning with a 6 run lead, but they did....." Lol welcome to our world White Sox broadcast people. It's FOB (Fear of Barnes!) With a 6 run lead, I would even trust Barnes or Abad for just one inning. Farrell not using his head. I guess he's aiming for Kimbrel to break Mariano's save record someday. |
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Post by bluechip on May 30, 2017 23:43:40 GMT -5
Nice win with the offense picking up the pitching. That's been rare this year.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 31, 2017 0:26:44 GMT -5
Good win! Great to see after yesterday's tough close loss.
As an aside, I was at the game tonight with a friend and was just talking about how Marrero's bat isn't MLB caliber when he went yard the first time. The second time I'm asserting "no really, he hasn't really shown any power like that" when he went deep again. Sometimes baseball is fun because you can be right and wrong all at the same time, and feel perfectly happy with it.
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Post by rivenp on May 31, 2017 5:15:41 GMT -5
he's known as a player's type of guy and while it may be meaningless to many, kimbrel seems to care greatly about the save stat based on some of his comments in the past. smart move is obviously to save kimbrel's bullets, but maybe keeping him happy is viewed as equally important to farrell? With a 6 run lead, I would even trust Barnes or Abad for just one inning. Farrell not using his head. I guess he's aiming for Kimbrel to break Mariano's save record someday. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 31, 2017 5:36:36 GMT -5
We can't pitch Kimbrel everytime we have a lead in the 9th. Its a little insane to me Farrell doesn't seem to understand the concept of burning out your pitchers.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 5:38:24 GMT -5
he's known as a player's type of guy and while it may be meaningless to many, kimbrel seems to care greatly about the save stat based on some of his comments in the past. smart move is obviously to save kimbrel's bullets, but maybe keeping him happy is viewed as equally important to farrell? With a 6 run lead, I would even trust Barnes or Abad for just one inning. Farrell not using his head. I guess he's aiming for Kimbrel to break Mariano's save record someday. The most important thing is to keep your best reliever healthy. Egos should go out the door when you know you're competing for a title this season. |
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Post by Guidas on May 31, 2017 7:12:53 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by James Dunne on May 31, 2017 7:20:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some of you folks think Kimbrel pitching what turned out to be a low-pressure ninth in a game he'd already been in (And therefore gone through the whole warm-up process) when he hasn't worked in four days is worse than burning another reliever.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 7:29:54 GMT -5
I'd rather burn Abad than Kimbrel anytime of the week in a really low pressure situation.
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Post by James Dunne on May 31, 2017 7:46:11 GMT -5
I'd rather burn Abad than Kimbrel anytime of the week in a really low pressure situation. Even in a game where they've already burned Kimbrel? Even if Kimbrel wants to stay in the game and could use an inning and has gone through his whole warm up routine? That doesn't make any sense to me. And suppose they rush to get Abad ready, he's not warm, and throws up a stinker and it's a game again? They've got their best reliever in the game already, he's rested and he wants to pitch. Give him the three outs and call it a day. |
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Post by sibbysisti on May 31, 2017 8:02:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some of you folks think Kimbrel pitching what turned out to be a low-pressure ninth in a game he'd already been in (And thjerefore gone through the whole warm-up process) when he hasn't worked in four days is worse than burning another reliever. It's all Farrell's fault. 😉 |
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Post by nomar on May 31, 2017 8:24:35 GMT -5
Good to have a good where multiple people go off like that. It seems that nobody on this team has come out and had a monster month yet, whereas the Yankees have had Judge, Gardner, Castro, and Hicks all have the months of their lives in either April or May.
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Post by bosox81 on May 31, 2017 9:21:50 GMT -5
The Farrell bashing was always bad, but it's reached a whole another level this season. So much so that usual Farrell-bashers have come to his defense.
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Post by jimed14 on May 31, 2017 9:45:59 GMT -5
The Farrell bashing was always bad, but it's reached a whole another level this season. So much so that usual Farrell-bashers have come to his defense. It's really just a few people who are either trolling us or are insane. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 31, 2017 13:13:12 GMT -5
Good to have a good where multiple people go off like that. It seems that nobody on this team has come out and had a monster month yet, whereas the Yankees have had Judge, Gardner, Castro, and Hicks all have the months of their lives in either April or May. Yep. Include Holiday also. I don't give a f**k, they are cheating. |
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Post by ramireja on May 31, 2017 13:37:46 GMT -5
Good to have a good where multiple people go off like that. It seems that nobody on this team has come out and had a monster month yet, whereas the Yankees have had Judge, Gardner, Castro, and Hicks all have the months of their lives in either April or May. Yep. Include Holiday also. I don't give a f**k, they are cheating. With regards to cheating, I will say this: An unusual number of their pitching prospects have experienced considerable velo spikes upon entering the org after being drafted or traded. Of course, that might be due to their strength and conditioning program, but its definitely something that I've noticed. I'll admit to extreme Yankee paranoia though. Carry on. |
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on May 31, 2017 14:25:50 GMT -5
I'd rather burn Abad than Kimbrel anytime of the week in a really low pressure situation. Even in a game where they've already burned Kimbrel? Even if Kimbrel wants to stay in the game and could use an inning and has gone through his whole warm up routine? That doesn't make any sense to me. And suppose they rush to get Abad ready, he's not warm, and throws up a stinker and it's a game again? They've got their best reliever in the game already, he's rested and he wants to pitch. Give him the three outs and call it a day. I agree with you in the sense that JF has made much, much, much worse decisions than this. And there is an understandable logic/ rationale, which you very clearly articulated, for keeping Kimbrel in the game. Respectfully, however, I think you may be somewhat underestimating the potential consequences of using Kimbrel in that inning. Yes, warming up a pitcher is a fairly intensive process. But you're making it sound like once a pitcher is warmed up, then it's not that big of a deal to send him out because he's already been "burned (JF utilized such logic in his usage of Koji)." Let me say three things to that: 1- I've never thrown a 100 mph fastball but I have to imagine even in non-stressful game situations there's still a strain on your arm. Now take this strain and do it 14 or 15 times, which is the number of pitches he threw in the 9th. This strain, isolated to one game, isn't a big deal. But wear and tear is a cumulative process. Considering I have high hopes for a long post-season run, I'd just as soon save Kimbrel's bullets for October, not 6-run games in May. 2- you're forgetting he had to warm up during the 8th, pitch in the 8th, wait during the top of the 9th, warm up again because the top of the 9th while it wasn't long wasn't short either, and then had throw 15 plus fastballs. 3- yes, putting abad (I would have put in Barnes to give him some more work in less stressful situations to work on his consistency) in has potential drawbacks. He could have a stinker and it's a game again. But, you could literally use that exact rationale in every game. So should kimbrel be used every game? Ultimately if you can't trust a pitcher to pitch in a six- run game then get rid of said pitcher. Yes, kimbrel is a great closer but it's up to a manager to manage. That means taking a short-term and long-term perspective and doing what's best for the team. Of course kimbrel would have wanted to go back out; he's a competitor. I wouldn't want someone on the team that didn't want to go back out. But, again, a manager's job is one of managing player usage and maintaining the effective utilization of assets. Six run games in the 9th are the domain for innings-eaters not elite closers. Kimbrel shouldn't have been sent out in the 9th. Just my two cents. |
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