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Post by jmei on May 31, 2017 14:46:20 GMT -5
I agree with the above take. Yes, the extra inning is not as problematic since Kimbrel was warmed up already, but it does still add marginal wear and tear, and Kimbrel's not a guy who you'd characterize as "rubber-armed." There also shouldn't have been an issue with getting someone up and warming. After Moreland's home run to make it a six-run game, the Red Sox sent five other hitters to the plate, which is more than enough time to get someone warming. If you don't trust a reliever to close out a six-run lead with an inning to go (as low-leverage as it gets-- the White Sox had an 0.3% win expectancy), he shouldn't be on your active roster.
The real reason Kimbrel went back out there is to get the save. That seems like bad managing. A good manager needs to be able to do what's best for the team (as opposed to what's best for the player) there. There are certainly a lot worse mistakes to make, but hard to see it as anything but a mistake.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 15:16:57 GMT -5
I'd rather burn Abad than Kimbrel anytime of the week in a really low pressure situation. Even in a game where they've already burned Kimbrel? Even if Kimbrel wants to stay in the game and could use an inning and has gone through his whole warm up routine? That doesn't make any sense to me. And suppose they rush to get Abad ready, he's not warm, and throws up a stinker and it's a game again? They've got their best reliever in the game already, he's rested and he wants to pitch. Give him the three outs and call it a day. The two run homerun by Moreland was hit with no outs. Abad would of had plenty of time to warm up. Even if he throws a stinker, the Sox still have a great chance to win. |
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Post by sibbysisti on May 31, 2017 15:30:14 GMT -5
Five and one third IP over the last 13 days does not seem like overuse to me.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 31, 2017 16:40:07 GMT -5
Just back into cell phone range - yes there are such places left - and it looks as if we slipped into an alternate universe where Marrero does have power. If her keeps "running into" pitches for home runs I'll have to take back that stuff about the lack of slugging. Looks like the whole team went nuts.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 17:01:40 GMT -5
Five and one third IP over the last 13 days does not seem like overuse to me. You have Eduardo Rodriguez and Pomeranz going the next two days. Both of these guys are 6 inning pitchers (with Pomeranz averaging even less than that this year). You're going to probably need Kimbrel in one or both of these games. Do you see where the possible overuse factor could come into play here? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 31, 2017 17:48:05 GMT -5
Five and one third IP over the last 13 days does not seem like overuse to me. You have Eduardo Rodriguez and Pomeranz going the next two days. Both of these guys are 6 inning pitchers (with Pomeranz averaging even less than that this year). You're going to probably need Kimbrel in one or both of these games. Do you see where the possible overuse factor could come into play here? I'm not sure why this matters as to whether or not it's likely the Red Sox will use their closer. Wouldn't the only factor that matters be whether or not the starting pitcher is likely to pitch a complete game? If anything, wouldn't this work in favor of not using your middle relievers if you don't have to? |
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 31, 2017 17:58:41 GMT -5
True enough. Complete games are celebrated as if they are no-hitters these days. Kimbrel may be needed at some point no matter who pitches.
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Post by jimed14 on May 31, 2017 18:32:02 GMT -5
Good to have a good where multiple people go off like that. It seems that nobody on this team has come out and had a monster month yet, whereas the Yankees have had Judge, Gardner, Castro, and Hicks all have the months of their lives in either April or May. You have to figure that Judge's HR/FB% will drop from over 40% and his BABIP will drop from .400 eventually. He's not Babe Ruth. |
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Post by Guidas on May 31, 2017 19:32:29 GMT -5
Pelfry has some mad movement on the FB early. Cutting like a frisbee on some pitches.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 19:42:29 GMT -5
You have Eduardo Rodriguez and Pomeranz going the next two days. Both of these guys are 6 inning pitchers (with Pomeranz averaging even less than that this year). You're going to probably need Kimbrel in one or both of these games. Do you see where the possible overuse factor could come into play here? I'm not sure why this matters as to whether or not it's likely the Red Sox will use their closer. Wouldn't the only factor that matters be whether or not the starting pitcher is likely to pitch a complete game? If anything, wouldn't this work in favor of not using your middle relievers if you don't have to? You probably need both middle relievers and the closer for the next two games, unless you're losing. |
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Post by sibbysisti on May 31, 2017 19:44:11 GMT -5
Five and one third IP over the last 13 days does not seem like overuse to me. You have Eduardo Rodriguez and Pomeranz going the next two days. Both of these guys are 6 inning pitchers (with Pomeranz averaging even less than that this year). You're going to probably need Kimbrel in one or both of these games. Do you see where the possible overuse factor could come into play here? Not for where he's been used in the last two weeks. He can handle it. Glad he was able to get in some work last night so he didn't get stale. |
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Post by bosox on May 31, 2017 20:40:27 GMT -5
Pelfrey is a nice pick up for the White Sox. Holding down the offense.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 31, 2017 20:49:50 GMT -5
The speed at which our offense appears, then vanishes, is remarkable.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on May 31, 2017 21:04:16 GMT -5
this inning is a babip special.
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Post by wcsoxfan on May 31, 2017 21:04:17 GMT -5
Any word on why Pelfrey got pulled after 83 pitches?
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Post by atzar on May 31, 2017 21:04:49 GMT -5
What a lucky inning.
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Post by James Dunne on May 31, 2017 21:07:38 GMT -5
I agree with the above take. Yes, the extra inning is not as problematic since Kimbrel was warmed up already, but it does still add marginal wear and tear, and Kimbrel's not a guy who you'd characterize as "rubber-armed." There also shouldn't have been an issue with getting someone up and warming. After Moreland's home run to make it a six-run game, the Red Sox sent five other hitters to the plate, which is more than enough time to get someone warming. If you don't trust a reliever to close out a six-run lead with an inning to go (as low-leverage as it gets-- the White Sox had an 0.3% win expectancy), he shouldn't be on your active roster. The real reason Kimbrel went back out there is to get the save. That seems like bad managing. A good manager needs to be able to do what's best for the team (as opposed to what's best for the player) there. There are certainly a lot worse mistakes to make, but hard to see it as anything but a mistake. I'll agree to disagree on the first paragraph. I think the risk of having Kimbrel pitch is sufficiently low and the all the circumstances involved made keeping Kimbrel in the move I'd lean towards. The second paragraph I am with you on. If Farrell's thinking is that he's going to leave him because it's still a save situation and he wants to get him the save (and that almost certainly was at least part of the thinking, which is too much), then the process he used to come to the decision was wrong, even if I agree with the decision itself. |
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Post by DesignatedKyle on May 31, 2017 21:08:57 GMT -5
nice hitting by Vaz
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Post by bosox on May 31, 2017 21:19:55 GMT -5
It's the 6th inning and 80 plus pitches - better start the pen warming.
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Post by atzar on May 31, 2017 21:41:49 GMT -5
Good to see Pomeranz get through seven. Great outing.
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Post by jimed14 on May 31, 2017 21:44:11 GMT -5
Good to see Pomeranz get through seven. Great outing. The outlook for starting pitching looks about 100 times better than it did a week ago. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on May 31, 2017 21:47:29 GMT -5
Good to see Pomeranz get through seven. Great outing. I'm wondering if any of the nay sayers have admitted to possibly being wrong about Pomeranz? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 21:58:23 GMT -5
What a outing by Pomeranz. I think this might be his longest outing in a Sox uniform. I don't think he gave up a earned run today too.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 31, 2017 21:59:12 GMT -5
Let it be known I was on the Pomeranz bandwagon from the start even when things got rough. Love his stuff! Between him, Price, Eddie and some other guy there are some good LHP options on this rotation.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 22:11:59 GMT -5
Kimbrel is so dirty...no chance...
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