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Post by jimoh on Jun 24, 2017 9:10:26 GMT -5
David DurdenExtensive background story if you follow the link Thanks for the link. Hard worker, some power, and of course, runs the 60 in "6.2" according to his friend! The kid himself says merely that the Sox timed his 60 and were "impressed" |
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Post by alnipper on Jun 24, 2017 10:47:22 GMT -5
Thank you jako for the spreadsheet! I look forward to it every year!
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Post by alnipper on Jun 24, 2017 11:11:27 GMT -5
I am very excited to see how Brannen does! I like him almost more than Houck honestly. I think he is a 1st round talent, so giving him 1.3M does not bother me at all! If Netzer gets much more money than Schellenger then I'll scratch my head. The only reason the Sox would draft Netzer in the third round was because they had a discount in place.
After the 6th round I was confused about the order of our picks.
I would of drafted in order:
Houck
Brannen
Scherff
Thompson
Netzer
Schellenger
Esplin
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 24, 2017 11:21:48 GMT -5
Like Chris Hatfield mentioned, all the teams have different draft boards - sometimes quite different. That can lead to results and decisions that often seem puzzling. I was surprised to see Esplin get as much as he did, not only because of his lack of rankings, but he pretty much made it clear he was signing with whoever drafted him, as Hatfield also pointed. So it didn't they needed to go over slot there. But they could have agreed to an amount before the draft - or before the pick anyway. In the end, it does matter much as long as they get all the top 10 picks signed. And I think they will. But they seem to be cutting it a bit close right now. Here's my updated sheet with the new signings. You can see what they the options are with Netzer and Thompson and change the numbers however you like, but the scenarios are more limited right now. 2017 Sox draft.xlsx (22.24 KB) |
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 24, 2017 16:29:06 GMT -5
It is not a matter of last man gets what's left. Right now with 8 of the rounds 1-10 picks listed as signed, we are at $5,054,500, while slot + 5% for these picks is $4,973,325. So if we do not signed one or both of the two remaining for a combined $81,175 below (or equal to) slot + 5%, then kiss next years #1 goodbye. So technically it is Netzer who has leverage to ask for the full amount (slot+5% minus 81,175). Heck, he might even negotiate something non-monetary (is this allowed?) like not having carry his own bags? I do not think we will have to lose a #1 pick next year. I would think that they have a number for Thompson, probably already agreed to. he is a starting pitcher on a great college program. Whatever is left is netzer's, if he wants it. If they can not sign both and stay under then I would think they value Thompson higher. neither one is worth losing the #1 pick next year. There is a lot of talk that Netzer was drafted at over value because he agreed to take less money. I think the question is for the sox is what number is that ? They will not know that until they sign Thompson. Below the 10th round is still up in the air as well for signing over the 125 number. I think they are still looking at one pitcher. |
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Post by soxinnj on Jun 24, 2017 21:41:32 GMT -5
First ever post here.......
Now that Oregon State has been eliminated, do we think that things with Thompson and Netzer will happen quickly? I know people have mentioned that they think there is probably a number that they have already agreed to with both Thompson and Netzer, but do we think things become official soon?
On a side note, I've read these forums for years and always love what guys post on here. Thanks to all of the Moderators for all of their hard work and what they do to make this forum go be successful.
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Post by rpiguy on Jun 24, 2017 22:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2017 23:05:47 GMT -5
As he stated on the podcast, Callis reported that Diaz's bonus demand coming into the draft was kind of unreasonable. Sox are probably calling his bluff, telling him there's a number they'll sign him at and that he's not getting a penny more.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 25, 2017 6:22:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised that Scherff's signing wasn't announced with the headline "There's a new Scherff in town."
Maybe that (or something like it) is being saved for the gamely threads.
If The priority is to sign Thompson now and Netzer gets what's left or gets left out, is losing Netzer all that big a deal? I mean the guy is at best a really, really, really, really poor man's Dustin Pedroia, isn't he?
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Post by redsoxduckboats0713 on Jun 25, 2017 6:25:35 GMT -5
If you fail to sign any of the top 10 round picks you also loose the slot money attached
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Post by soxinnj on Jun 25, 2017 6:45:05 GMT -5
And technically, if we don't sign either Thompson or Netzer, don't we lose our 1st round pick next year? We would lose their slot money and the 5% which would put us over the slot cap for the 8 guys that we signed, right?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 25, 2017 13:15:07 GMT -5
Netzer is signed and in Lowell
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 25, 2017 14:29:02 GMT -5
Netzer signed for 475k per Alex Speier.
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Post by usdballum on Jun 25, 2017 14:39:52 GMT -5
Per @alexspeier
Red Sox third rounder Brett Netzer signed for $475K. OF Tyler Esplin (7th Rd) signed for $250K.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 25, 2017 15:02:14 GMT -5
So quick math, Thompson can only be given $425k and no one else after the 11th can be signed over slot.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 25, 2017 15:43:16 GMT -5
More quick math... If they are at $5,529,000, without Thompson the slot pool (without 4th round slot) + 5% is $5,532,000. So they are at least able to absorb him not signing. Barely. So quick math, Thompson can only be given $425k and no one else after the 11th can be signed over slot. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 25, 2017 15:46:42 GMT -5
So maybe some high schooler could be swayed by $128,000 instead of $125,000?
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Post by ramireja on Jun 25, 2017 16:36:23 GMT -5
If Thompson signs for slot, there is almost $25,000 to increase a signing to $150,000. Not sure thats a difference maker for anyone or if they should be pretty much just give Thompson the extra 25k.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 25, 2017 16:46:59 GMT -5
Beau Hanna and Andre Colon have been added to the GCL roster.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 25, 2017 16:59:44 GMT -5
The Red Sox also signed Luis Torres and Angel Gonzalez per the transaction feed. Nice surprise!
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 26, 2017 3:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 26, 2017 10:15:10 GMT -5
So it doesn't look like any of the BA 500 guys after round 10 have signed.
I wonder if the hold up with Thompson is that they'll give him slot, but waiting to see if anyone bites at $150,000 and if not will give him a little more for waiting. Either that or he's insisting of over slot and Sox trying to wait him out.
You can argue how much you like the players they got, but it seems like DD et al did a good job managing the numbers, having a clear strategy and getting the guys they want at the expected numbers, so figure that Thompson is just part of the strategy.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 26, 2017 10:23:13 GMT -5
I thought it was a great idea to increase slot after round 10 to 125k. If they raise it another 25k next year it would help out bigger money teams a little. I feel we had a solid draft and should get at least 3 major league players out of it.  One other thought, the tenth round pick should be higher than 125k. To me it makes little sense. The 10th round slot should be 150k. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 26, 2017 10:26:49 GMT -5
The slot numbers got changed a lot this year. In general I'd like to see Round 1 rolled back in relation to rest. The disparity in bonus pool for teams is significant, ***especially when it's not the NBA/NHL where there's a single guy or two thats a huge difference maker and everyone else a crapshoot. The value gap of picks 1-5 vs 6-30 isn't as big for MLB, is it?*** edit: maybe not www.hardballtimes.com/the-net-value-of-draft-picks/ |
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Post by alnipper on Jun 26, 2017 10:33:47 GMT -5
First round picks are paid too much in most sports. |
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