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9/25-9/27 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 26, 2017 20:54:44 GMT -5
Well...it is so good to see Young's bat come alive. We need it badly.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 26, 2017 21:18:35 GMT -5
In summary - "Yuck"
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 26, 2017 21:24:18 GMT -5
Damn good band! This song is awesome and it reminds me of Bardo Pond.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 27, 2017 4:49:12 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2017 6:23:58 GMT -5
I think that they're trying to give players as many days off as possible with the division seemingly locked up. I think the Sox will go with Hanley and Davis over Young and Travis at this point on the bench in the playoffs. I don't get that last part. One bench spot is Leon, obviously, but who are your other 3-4? Lineup (Roughly): Vazquez, Moreland, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Nunez, Benintendi, JBJ, Betts, Devers Bench: Leon, Hanley, Davis, ... then what? Holt I guess? And who else? And again, in a five-game series with two off days, and with two infielders with injury concerns, I'd argue a 5-man bench would (in theory) be a lot more important than having an 8th reliever. The question is whether you have five bench players worth carrying. A thought - if you want to DH Vazquez when he's not catching, is it worth carrying Swihart? If Vazquez is one of your 8 best hitters, it might be worth it. (I know I argued against this before - what's changed is the idea that CV is one of their 8 best hitters and is worth DH'ing to get the best lineup out there. Maybe that changed just for me, but that is the key point.) Travis has hit LHP well and I'm actually with your old point now that Travis should and actually might make the roster over Young. The question for me is Holt vs. Swihart. There's no question to me that they'll take Holt, and I think there's value to him given the injury situation. But it's an interesting thought. I think the Sox carry Holt, Leon, Hanley, and Davis on the bench. I don't think they're comfortable with Swihart as a reliable third catcher at this point. The only time they needed to use him is when the Sox had no choice in extra innings. Holt's versatility gets him on the roster. Holt would be the emergency 25th man on the roster or an extra guy to pinch run for Pedrioa (if the Sox already burned Davis prior in a playoff game). Holt will be filling the role of 4th outfielder and backup infielder (since Davis' only job will be to pinch run). I don't see any scenario where Vazquez DH's unfortunately. They'll either stick Pedrioa, Nunez, or Hanley I think there. The only scenario where I can see them carrying an extra infielder is if Nunez can't go by the playoffs. If that's the case, then I can actually see Marrero sneaking onto the roster. I've come to the realization however no matter who you pick between Travis, Hanley, and Young that none of these players are great options on a bench. This highlights the mistake even further of not putting Brentz on the roster. Maybe he would of had a slight chance of being somewhat above replacement level in whatever role he could of been used. The other 3 are all either replament level players at the moment or below replacement level.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Sept 27, 2017 6:56:12 GMT -5
The Red Sox have one more game vs Blue Jays and four vs Astros.Yankees have two more vs Rays and three vs Blue Jays. They better win today as the Astros are still competing for the best record with Cleveland. You can't use injuries as an excuse if they blow the AL East lead. The magic number is 3 and they should not expect any help from other teams.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2017 7:03:31 GMT -5
I don't expect the Yankees to win all 5 games in the next 5 days. They're most likely going to lose at least one more. It might not be today, but it should be before the season ends. The Yankees get Happ and Stroman one more time, I think.
The Sox realistically need to win 2 out of their next 5 games. I don't expect Houston to go all out in the next series. They'll push their best relievers two times maybe, but I don't see them over extending themselves for wins over rest. I also don't see them pushing their top starters all that far either.
In the Astros eyes, I can imagine that they like there chances as the 2 seed. They get homefield either way in the first round.
Edit- The Yankees also face the tough Jake Faria tomorrow against the Rays.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 27, 2017 8:41:35 GMT -5
I don't expect the Yankees to win all 5 games in the next 5 days. They're most likely going to lose at least one more. It might not be today, but it should be before the season ends. The Yankees get Happ and Stroman one more time, I think. The Sox realistically need to win 2 out of their next 5 games. I don't expect Houston to go all out in the next series. They'll push their best relievers two times maybe, but I don't see them over extending themselves for wins over rest. I also don't see them pushing their top starters all that far either. In the Astros eyes, I can imagine that they like there chances as the 2 seed. They get homefield either way in the first round. Edit- The Yankees also face the tough Jake Faria tomorrow against the Rays. Agreed, with this caveat. Toronto is in last and you would think they are not going all out, yet we lost with our two best pitchers. The big unknown is key player health - lack of Nunez, Betts and Pedroia are crippling the offense, esp with JBJ and Hanley slumping (even Benny's numbers are pretty rough recently). If we keep putting an offense on the field like last night, it really concerns me going forward.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 27, 2017 10:26:06 GMT -5
Mellow John cannot git it done. ``we won`t win another game`` -Ditka
Sox Nation will be nervous soon
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 27, 2017 10:53:51 GMT -5
I meant to post my prediction for Sale last night before heading off the movies, but my roommate will verify that it was 4.1 IP, 5 ER.
He actually was quite a bit worse that that, yielding a 12.15 FIP plus a .400 BABIP. He put 7 runners on base via non-HR hit, BB, or HBP, and only one of them preceded one of his four HRs allowed. That's great sequencing luck.
(I also predicted Young's three hits when I saw the starting lineup ... but I was being self-deprecatingly sarcastic. ("[Rant about batting Young second] ... For all I know, he'll probably get three hits.")
He has a very clear track record of being himself on 6 or more days rest in the second half. The questions I'll tackle today / tomorrow, in his thread, are whether that buys you a second solid start or not, and how much you can improve a start on regular rest by limiting the pitch count of the previous one.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 27, 2017 11:01:59 GMT -5
I don't expect the Yankees to win all 5 games in the next 5 days. They're most likely going to lose at least one more. It might not be today, but it should be before the season ends. The Yankees get Happ and Stroman one more time, I think. The Sox realistically need to win 2 out of their next 5 games. I don't expect Houston to go all out in the next series. They'll push their best relievers two times maybe, but I don't see them over extending themselves for wins over rest. I also don't see them pushing their top starters all that far either. In the Astros eyes, I can imagine that they like there chances as the 2 seed. They get homefield either way in the first round. Edit- The Yankees also face the tough Jake Faria tomorrow against the Rays. Yankees get Biagini, Stroman, and Anderson, assuming the Jays continue with the strict 5-man rotation they've been using for the last month.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2017 12:56:56 GMT -5
You never know but the Yankees should rip through most of the pitching they'll be facing. Faria and Stroman are the best hopes to slow down their lineup.
I'm at the point I still think the Sox will squeak by, but I don't think it's going to be pretty. The Red Sox haven't allowed the Yankees to cut the deficit to 2 since early August. Somehow the Sox have held the line at 3 games ahead. I think tonight's the night the Yankees cut the lead to 2. I don't like HR machine Porcello against the Jays, especially the way Donaldson is swinging the bat, but we'll see. The Sox need to score runs, but that's tough to do when the lineup is so banged up.
Estrada has pitched very well against the Sox - you'd think he was a southpaw! They need to solve him tonight instead of treating him as if he were CC Sabathia. It's hard to do that when your B lineup is out there and I don't want to see the Red Sox push Nunez, Pedroia, and Betts out there before they're ready.
I hope I'm wrong, but this has the feel of a runner basically diving for the finish line rather than charging through it, ready for the next race.
The Red Sox, if healthy - with Price starting, Pedroia, Nunez, and Betts, and even Hanley and Bogaerts near 100%, and a rested Sale and Pomeranz would be quite a handful for whoever gets them.
Maybe they still will be, but I'm just hoping they're more like the 2016 Cleveland Indians than the 2007 Angels team the Sox played that was decimated by injuries at the worst time.
The advantage to clinching before Saturday would be to limit Pomeranz' pitches for his Saturday's start. While I would prefer Saturday's game to be totally meaningless at least if Pomeranz started he'd have 6 days of rest before starting Game 2 of the ALDS (assuming the Sox do win the division!). If Sale has to start on Sunday, then Pomeranz would have 4 days rest to pitch Game 1, and Sale would have 4 days rest to start Games 2 and 5 if necessary (as opposed to Games 1 and 5 which would give him 5 days off), which doesn't exactly do him any favors either.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 27, 2017 13:11:31 GMT -5
I swear, more gets written about how dire a situation the Red Sox are in after 2 losses than good words are written during a streak where they win 14 of 17.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2017 14:05:05 GMT -5
I don't expect the Yankees to win all 5 games in the next 5 days. They're most likely going to lose at least one more. It might not be today, but it should be before the season ends. The Yankees get Happ and Stroman one more time, I think. The Sox realistically need to win 2 out of their next 5 games. I don't expect Houston to go all out in the next series. They'll push their best relievers two times maybe, but I don't see them over extending themselves for wins over rest. I also don't see them pushing their top starters all that far either. In the Astros eyes, I can imagine that they like there chances as the 2 seed. They get homefield either way in the first round. Edit- The Yankees also face the tough Jake Faria tomorrow against the Rays. Yankees get Biagini, Stroman, and Anderson, assuming the Jays continue with the strict 5-man rotation they've been using for the last month. Yeah you're right. They could switch Happ and Anderson if they chose to but we'll see what happens. He would pitch on regular rest if that was the case.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 27, 2017 15:10:33 GMT -5
The line up - Xander, Pedey, Benny, Hanley, Moreland, Vazquez, Devers, Davis, JBJ. No Mookie yet.
Nice to see Pedey back in - more firepower than last night. Hoping Porcello can keep the ball in the park!
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Post by soxfando on Sept 27, 2017 16:34:04 GMT -5
The line up - Xander, Pedey, Benny, Hanley, Moreland, Vazquez, Devers, Davis, JBJ. No Mookie yet. Nice to see Pedey back in - more firepower than last night. Hoping Porcello can keep the ball in the park! thb I'm not sure how much Pedey adds at this point with his bad knee. His running and defense have looked way down, not to mention 1 for his last 28
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Post by soxfando on Sept 27, 2017 16:40:23 GMT -5
The line up - Xander, Pedey, Benny, Hanley, Moreland, Vazquez, Devers, Davis, JBJ. No Mookie yet. Nice to see Pedey back in - more firepower than last night. Hoping Porcello can keep the ball in the park! also don't know why Farrell insists on benching Young the next game every time he has a good game
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2017 16:53:28 GMT -5
The line up - Xander, Pedey, Benny, Hanley, Moreland, Vazquez, Devers, Davis, JBJ. No Mookie yet. Nice to see Pedey back in - more firepower than last night. Hoping Porcello can keep the ball in the park! also don't know why Farrell insists on benching Young the next game every time he has a good game I'm totally for benching Young in RF Fenway. Young can't play in the outfield anymore. He missed a play yesterday that anyone else could of made. At least Davis can cover the ground needed in the outfield.
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Post by soxfando on Sept 27, 2017 17:34:34 GMT -5
also don't know why Farrell insists on benching Young the next game every time he has a good game I'm totally for benching Young in RF Fenway. Young can't play in the outfield anymore. He missed a play yesterday that anyone else could of made. At least Davis can cover the ground needed in the outfield. but what's the hesitation with putting Benny in right, Young in left. benny's a former center fielder more than capable of handling right
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 27, 2017 17:44:15 GMT -5
I swear, more gets written about how dire a situation the Red Sox are in after 2 losses than good words are written during a streak where they win 14 of 17. its not right, however a win tonight should cure all ills. I think folks just want to get this division title sewn up, it can get nerve-racking. Caution to all, a watched pot never boils.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2017 17:45:26 GMT -5
I'm totally for benching Young in RF Fenway. Young can't play in the outfield anymore. He missed a play yesterday that anyone else could of made. At least Davis can cover the ground needed in the outfield. but what's the hesitation with putting Benny in right, Young in left. benny's a former center fielder more than capable of handling right Benny hasn't played a inning in RF in his pro career outside of maybe spring training this year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 27, 2017 18:10:29 GMT -5
OK. Let's do this.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 27, 2017 18:15:30 GMT -5
Another batting practice fast ball. Donaldson's hot streak reminds me of what Longoria used to do to us.
Warm up Price time?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 27, 2017 18:18:26 GMT -5
Ok. Now I think someone is stealing signs in our stadium. Wow.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2017 18:18:31 GMT -5
Porcello, you freaking blow.
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