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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 4, 2017 1:52:06 GMT -5
Fantastic second half to the Thunder game as Boston put the defensive screws to OKC. Smart barely registered in the points column but he's at the heart of that, just driving opposing players nuts. Anthony got disappeared, going 3 for 17. Irving and Horford put it away, they never took their foot off the gas. This looks like their team. Just a great win.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2017 2:49:39 GMT -5
Fantastic second half to the Thunder game as Boston put the defensive screws to OKC. Smart barely registered in the points column but he's at the heart of that, just driving opposing players nuts. Anthony got disappeared, going 3 for 17. Irving and Horford put it away, they never took their foot off the gas. This looks like their team. Just a great win. I can't remember a player quite like Smart. He contributes in ways that just can't be measured. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2017 8:16:40 GMT -5
It’s a fun team to watch and the Horford/Kyrie combination has been great. Has a big ever developed such a reliable outside game so quickly later in his career like Horford has?
By the way, if you’re on Twitter and don’t follow Anna Horford (Al’s sister) you’re missing out. Lou Merlonie called him Average Al and the mini Twitter War was funny and now Anna just smashes him every chance she gets.
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Post by jmei on Nov 4, 2017 8:26:55 GMT -5
Horford's always been an elite long-two shooter, and he's gradually eased out to the three point line over the last four or five years. But yeah, he's a really good player in ways that don't jump off the page (stretching the floor, passing, non-rim-protecting defense, even handling the ball) and his versatility has been huge for them.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 4, 2017 9:00:32 GMT -5
This team is awesome, just pure sheer awesome. On top of that, Kyrie is a Boston legend already for saying he was craving an intellectual coach. He's just telling it like it is and like everyone who follows basketball already knew, coach Lue is a dumba**. Next up, casually bring up Delonte into a conversation. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2017 9:05:36 GMT -5
Who would be in favor of the C'c giving up there 1st rd pick for Okafor? Obviously right now it is looking like a late pick and it is a good asset but the C's don't really need it based on the composition of the current roster. Is Danny trying to steal him for less than a 1st?
Would that be enough for the Sixers? Not long ago it wouldn't have been even close but the situation just keeps getting worse for them. What happens if Embid goes down again, then they need him. They have put themselves in a difficult position and something has to give.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 4, 2017 9:13:55 GMT -5
Who would be in favor of the C'c giving up there 1st rd pick for Okafor? Obviously right now it is looking like a late pick and it is a good asset but the C's don't really need it based on the composition of the current roster. Is Danny trying to steal him for less than a 1st? Would that be enough for the Sixers? Not long ago it wouldn't have been even close but the situation just keeps getting worse for them. What happens if Embid goes down again, then they need him. They have put themselves in a difficult position and something has to give. I would give them maybe the pair of socks I'm wearing if they also send out a 2nd rounder in return. As amazing as it is, Okafor probably has negative value right now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2017 9:21:12 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be in favor of that. The point on taking a flyer on him gets lost if you give up a real asset for him. He’s a rental at this point as he becomes unrestricted at seasons end. Minutes are a question so if he plays well in a limited role, he’s going to sign elsewhere for more playing time.
The reason we’d want him is if you could get him for basically free and try to hit a home run off his talent. I wouldn’t trade a first when the probability is greater he can’t help you than can.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 4, 2017 9:59:18 GMT -5
This team is awesome, just pure sheer awesome. On top of that, Kyrie is a Boston legend already for saying he was craving an intellectual coach. He's just telling it like it is and like everyone who follows basketball already knew, coach Lue is a dumba**. Next up, casually bring up Delonte into a conversation. Wait until he learns that Brad is not a charter member of the Flat Earth Society....that was Lue's undoing.. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2017 10:52:26 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be in favor of that. The point on taking a flyer on him gets lost if you give up a real asset for him. He’s a rental at this point as he becomes unrestricted at seasons end. Minutes are a question so if he plays well in a limited role, he’s going to sign elsewhere for more playing time. The reason we’d want him is if you could get him for basically free and try to hit a home run off his talent. I wouldn’t trade a first when the probability is greater he can’t help you than can. True, I was overlooking the rental aspect. Could they do an extension as part of it or is too late for that? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2017 12:05:52 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be in favor of that. The point on taking a flyer on him gets lost if you give up a real asset for him. He’s a rental at this point as he becomes unrestricted at seasons end. Minutes are a question so if he plays well in a limited role, he’s going to sign elsewhere for more playing time. The reason we’d want him is if you could get him for basically free and try to hit a home run off his talent. I wouldn’t trade a first when the probability is greater he can’t help you than can. True, I was overlooking the rental aspect. Could they do an extension as part of it or is too late for that? I️ don’t know the specifics of how his situation translates to an extension. The Celtics have no cap room so unless they can use his bird rights I️ don’t know if they could. Regardless of that, is there a contract scenario you can even think of that would make sense for the Celtics that Okafor would accept when he’s about to become an unrestricted free agent. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2017 12:22:35 GMT -5
I would think he is just looking for an opportunity at this point. He is still only 21 so there is plenty of time for him to cash in after he proves himself.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 4, 2017 12:35:38 GMT -5
As a 25 year Duke basketball fan, it is with great joy to see two great one-and-dones (Irving and Tatum) and a player that left the system quickly (Semi O) all here, excelling and/or contributing bigly. I've mixed feelings about adding another Dukie one and done - Okafor - he actually underwhelmed a bit at Duke (Winslow and Jones really showed more toughness and enthusiasm on both ends)...could be that Brad would be able to get a bit more out of him. But why disrupt what is becoming a great team chemistry? I'd love to see Winslow on this team, though....
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 4, 2017 13:02:13 GMT -5
Great win lastnight. Didn't watch a ton of the first half, but watched half the third and all of the 4th. Irving and Horford just went off. After last year was all offense, I love that this year we are back to being elite at D. That's whats going to win you a title. Our ability to make Westbrook, George and Melo take really hard shots was fun to watch. Actually having an enforcer in Baynes is fun to watch. You aren't going to be pushed around with him on the court. He's like a more skilled Perkins and we have missed that. He got a rebound lastnight and 3 Thunder players went after him. Couple of elbows being thrown and he creates space to pass the ball. I love the don't mess with me or you will get an elbow act.
As for Okafor for a first, nope I have to pass. I know Danny loves him, but do you use the exception on him this early in the year? Or wait to see what you might need in a month or two? The Sixers declining his option really hurts his value even more. Before they did that, a team like the Nets made sense. Now they don't because there is no 4th year and 5th year restricted status. If he does well he most likely leaves after the year. He might resign with us if we layout a long-term role and because we are one of the best teams in the league. I just don't get declining his option and thinking that increases his value. We can now trade for him, but we don't control him, we just get his bird rights. They should just release him or accept that Nader and a 2nd round pick is the best you can get. I would love to see what Stevens can do with him or if he can even get minutes on our team besides garbage time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2017 13:26:56 GMT -5
As a 25 year Duke basketball fan, it is with great joy to see two great one-and-dones (Irving and Tatum) and a player that left the system quickly (Semi O) all here, excelling and/or contributing bigly. I've mixed feelings about adding another Dukie one and done - Okafor - he actually underwhelmed a bit at Duke (Winslow and Jones really showed more toughness and enthusiasm on both ends)...could be that Brad would be able to get a bit more out of him. But why disrupt what is becoming a great team chemistry? I'd love to see Winslow on this team, though.... I’m with you on the Duke stuff; I️ go back to the Bobby Hurley - both Hills and Laettener Days... I️ think you’re undervaluing what Okafor did though on that championship team. He was a beast as were Jones and Winslow. I️ don’t think he was soft at all. The Cavs screwed up by not keeping Jones when they drafted him. He will be a solid point guard in this league in Minnesota handles him right. But I’m with you on the reservations bringing him to the Celtics. I️ don’t want Winslow though because I’m happy with Hayward - Brown - Tatum and Ojeleye on the wings for the next several years. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2017 13:30:01 GMT -5
I’m interested to see how the minutes get distributed. Theis is the one who suffered the most from Morris return, which I’m ok with even though I️ really like what I’ve seen out of him. It will vary by team and matchup tho. I️ think Morris will have more limited minutes during the regular season so Tatum can get more and then come playoff time they may turn more to the veteran. I️ hope he stays around 22 a game max so the younger guys (Semi included) have more time to play.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 4, 2017 14:01:01 GMT -5
I wanted to add that I worry about Brown and his FT shooting. It looked horrible yesterday. Also Rozier needs to stop taking those crazy off balance threes. When he sets his feet he has good form and he makes a good amount of them. Yet he takes so many bad shots, that it drags down his % and makes it seem like he can't shoot. I know Stevens likes guys shooting threes, but it should only be good shots. Rozier and shot selection is the main issue right now. I feel like I will be saying that all year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2017 14:24:11 GMT -5
I wanted to add that I worry about Brown and his FT shooting. It looked horrible yesterday. Also Rozier needs to stop taking those crazy off balance threes. When he sets his feet he has good form and he makes a good amount of them. Yet he takes so many bad shots, that it drags down his % and makes it seem like he can't shoot. I know Stevens likes guys shooting threes, but it should only be good shots. Rozier and shot selection is the main issue right now. I feel like I will be saying that all year. It’s hard not to be worried about Browns FT%. It needs to improve. Fortunately, he works hard and I️ expect him to improve in that area. If he can improve his 3 point shot then he can improve that. I️ expect him to be around where he was last year by years end but in future years he really needs to be over 75% from the line. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 4, 2017 22:38:56 GMT -5
It’s hard not to be worried about Browns FT%. It needs to improve. Fortunately, he works hard and I️ expect him to improve in that area. If he can improve his 3 point shot then he can improve that. I️ expect him to be around where he was last year by years end but in future years he really needs to be over 75% from the line. Agreed, but it helps that his shooting form doesn't look FUBAR, I think full body balance is the thing that isn't there. I don't see anything mechanically that could hamper his career long term. But yeah, it's been ugly. |
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Post by telson13 on Nov 4, 2017 23:23:15 GMT -5
This is a great "team." No real traditional stat stunners, but deep and with a *bunch* of guys who do so many non-statsheet little things. The D is relentless, and they've really responded in the best possible way following Heyward's injury. Just a pleasure to follow right now.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 5, 2017 4:47:15 GMT -5
It’s hard not to be worried about Browns FT%. It needs to improve. Fortunately, he works hard and I️ expect him to improve in that area. If he can improve his 3 point shot then he can improve that. I️ expect him to be around where he was last year by years end but in future years he really needs to be over 75% from the line. Agreed, but it helps that his shooting form doesn't look FUBAR, I think full body balance is the thing that isn't there. I don't see anything mechanically that could hamper his career long term. But yeah, it's been ugly. Ugly but not Markelle Fultz ugly! |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 5, 2017 8:22:23 GMT -5
Ugly but not Markelle Fultz ugly! Exactly (and I don't buy that he changed his form because of the injury, he changed because he's stupid). |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 5, 2017 10:42:05 GMT -5
Just heard Isiah Thomas, the old one, talking about how involved he has been with Browns development and it is an ongoing thing. He talks a lot about him working on the free throw issue and how important it is to his overall game. Told him if you are going to be a go to player at the end of games you have to be able to knock down the FT's and it is a big focus. He works hard from what everyone says and he has improved his deep shot so the FT thing should improve.
Overall his game has improved so much so quickly that for me his ceiling has jumped up a bit.
So much so that when a trade is brought up mentioning him, Tatum and the lottery 1st all for Davis, I'm not sure I want to do it. Might be being a homer but I like the idea of the C's being really good for the next 10 years with the core of this team along with 1 more really good pick. I want to see them flourish together and compete for championships for a long time. With the coach they have, the talent and all the extra picks over the next few years. Could be a great run.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2017 13:13:15 GMT -5
Lol the 76's don't want to buyout Okafor because they don't want the Celtics to get him for free. Just read that on hoopsrumors.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 5, 2017 15:38:46 GMT -5
Danny is having a stare down with Colangelo. How about Nader and a 2nd? Is that worth a shot at Okafer playing well and wanting to stay a while?
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