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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2017 11:47:35 GMT -5
The thing about Tatum is I don't think he's at that comfort zone yet. Look him 10-15 games in College, most likely takes him more in pros. By the end of the year he could be beast mode.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2017 12:07:20 GMT -5
rjp, is there something in tapatalk that allows you to adjust the size of pictures when you post? Every time you post one it's enormous.
I can tell you how to edit in proboards, but you always post on tapatalk, which I don't know how to use. When I edit them, I usually size them down to 20% of original.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2017 12:08:59 GMT -5
The Bucks are trading for Bledsoe, sending Monroe and a first to the Suns. Just shocked another team like the Nuggets didn't offer more than just a first. The Nuggets look like they are a PG away from being another good team in the West.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2017 13:48:23 GMT -5
rjp, is there something in tapatalk that allows you to adjust the size of pictures when you post? Every time you post one it's enormous. I can tell you how to edit in proboards, but you always post on tapatalk, which I don't know how to use. When I edit them, I usually size them down to 20% of original. Yea i can select a smaller size. I’m never on proboards so I️ only see it on my app. Is this better? These are last Celtics rookies to average what Tatum is for points and rebounds.  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2017 13:49:30 GMT -5
The Bucks are trading for Bledsoe, sending Monroe and a first to the Suns. Just shocked another team like the Nuggets didn't offer more than just a first. The Nuggets look like they are a PG away from being another good team in the West. I have a feeling Bledsoe just isn’t that good... we’ll see tho |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2017 13:52:49 GMT -5
Voice they aren’t THIS good but they are a good team and things are going really well for them right now. They have too many young guys not to struggle at some point and the playoffs are a whole different animal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 7, 2017 14:10:10 GMT -5
I think I'm pretty much going to look for every Celtic game that's on from now on. I'm done being a casual fan this year. Kyrie should be a Celtic until he's past his prime in his 30's. He's everything the Celtics have been looking for since they traded Pierce. The Celtics are lucky to have him. He's really a perfect point guard.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 7, 2017 14:19:39 GMT -5
Now that the Suns deal with Monroe is completed, the Suns might reportedly buyout Monroe. The link to the Celtics here is obvious.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 7, 2017 14:33:08 GMT -5
The Bucks are trading for Bledsoe, sending Monroe and a first to the Suns. Just shocked another team like the Nuggets didn't offer more than just a first. The Nuggets look like they are a PG away from being another good team in the West. Ouch that's quite a good deal for the Bucks. I would be worried about them but then I remember their coach is Jason Kidd so yeah they have no shot at anything. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2017 14:36:27 GMT -5
The Bucks are trading for Bledsoe, sending Monroe and a first to the Suns. Just shocked another team like the Nuggets didn't offer more than just a first. The Nuggets look like they are a PG away from being another good team in the West. I have a feeling Bledsoe just isn’t that good... we’ll see tho Have you looked at the Nuggets ? I haven't looked at matching salaries, but a first round pick and let's say Lyles seems like a great deal for the Nuggets. Not sure why you Millsap and have a huge hole at PG. They have been starting Murray. I love Murray, but he is no where ready to be a pg on a playoff team. It just seemed like a perfect fit for a team that wants to win. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2017 14:40:18 GMT -5
They would have had to trade Faried or Wilson Chandler to match salaries.
Hasn’t Mudiay been playin a lot better this year? I don’t know. Bledsoe just seems like a problem child
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2017 18:03:30 GMT -5
Mudiay has been shooting 3s good, but I won't trust that for a while. His other shooting numbers are in his career norms. He is playing on the second unit and still doesn't have a league average PER. I think Bledsoe is a darn good PG. He can defend, score, is a good passer and gets a good amount of FTs. Last two years above 20 PER, above 18.7 all 4 years he has started for the Suns. I don't see a problem child, just a guy that is sick of losing. 4 Straight years and they still seem 2-3 years away. He demanded a trade in the off season and they just ignored him. He's in his prime and wants to win, I can't blame a guy for that. The Suns are a joke right now. Some good young players, but they are years away.
They could have done Lyles, Jefferson and Arthur. Only thing is Arthur has a player option for next year at 7.5 million. At the same time you have to spend money in the NBA and having an expiring contract isn't really a bad thing. The Suns don't need cap space next year. For the chance at a higher pick because the West is loaded and Lyles that makes sense. When your center is leading the team in assists at 4.5 a game, you can use an upgrade in my opinion. Nevermind those 3 guys just don't play and it doesn't hurt their depth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2017 19:50:49 GMT -5
Bledsoe may be fine in a different situation but thus far he’s been a loser and I’m sorry but he’s the PG and he’s been on some teams with decent talent that have turned into train wrecks. Is he a PG who gets stats and doesn’t make his team better? If he isn’t then i don’t know why he couldn’t lead the Suns. Booker is a legit scorer and they have other young talented players. I get the NBA has a ton of good PGs right now but does Bledsoe crack the top 20?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2017 20:05:00 GMT -5
I'd have to see a list, but off the top of my head yes he is a top 20 PG. He might be top 15. As for talent on the Suns, come one. The most talent they ever had was 3 PGs 3 years ago. Remember when we got Thomas the Suns were a decent team. If I remember right they were a playoff team and then sucked the rest of the season because they traded two of the 3 PGs. Right now Booker is good and Warren isn't bad, that's about it. I like Bender, Chriss and Jackson, but they are years away from really helping you. Right now playing those guys hurts you. The one year they had talent they did well and even that team 3 years ago wasn't great. It just had 3 really good PGs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 7, 2017 22:00:57 GMT -5
They also had Jeff Hornacek, who is a really good coach and Jason Kidd is just terrible. Chances are Bledsoe will be an odd fit for the Bucks, but he's a good player and let's be honest here they didn't give up anything in order to upgrade sensibly their team. It's a win.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 8, 2017 3:37:30 GMT -5
The thing about Tatum is I don't think he's at that comfort zone yet. Look him 10-15 games in College, most likely takes him more in pros. By the end of the year he could be beast mode. He is definitely not in a comfort zone yet, that will take time and probably should. But as I said even Kyrie is encouraging him to get there. His combination of shooting along with length and athleticism could very well lead to beast mode in time. The end of this year would be great but I see a kid that will continue to improve for years, his ceiling is pretty high. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 8, 2017 3:46:08 GMT -5
Voice they aren’t THIS good but they are a good team and things are going really well for them right now. They have too many young guys not to struggle at some point and the playoffs are a whole different animal. Agreed, this years playoffs will be a good education for all the young guys. But watch out next year, I mean really watch out. This team with GH back along with the maturation of the core young guys Tatum/Brown/Rozier/Smart/Ojelye will be a force to reckon with. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 8, 2017 6:56:29 GMT -5
Would still hope for a rim protector....and more rebounding based on size.
Certainly the rebounding has improved to date but I question whether that can continue at the current level. It's a long season and IMO hustle has gotten us a fair share.
It is absolutely amazing how much better 3 point shooting has become. The need to guard more closely on the perimeter suggests putting added emphasis on interior defense to offset the dribble drives.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 7:57:19 GMT -5
I’m not trying to say he’s a bad player; i just don’t think he’s great and I can’t help but question him as a winning type player. I don’t like quitters. He’s getting paid a lot of money to play basketball. As the PG and the leader he should have been spearheading the development of his team the last few years and he didn’t. Then he tweeted “I don’t want to be here”. That’s bushleague stuff. The Bucks may very well be a lot better off for having him but i question if he’s a team guy.
Kyrie at least demanded a trade and forced the Cavs hands during the offseason and did it after giving them a championship. He left to be part of a team of players and wanted to be a point guard. The rumors are he wanted his own team and it turns out that meant to be part of a team and not just be LeBrons sub-servant.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 8:02:17 GMT -5
Would still hope for a rim protector....and more rebounding based on size. Certainly the rebounding has improved to date but I question whether that can continue at the current level. It's a long season and IMO hustle has gotten us a fair share. It is absolutely amazing how much better 3 point shooting has become. The need to guard more closely on the perimeter suggests putting added emphasis on interior defense to offset the dribble drives. It seemed as though we were going to lose a lot from 3 with Crowder gone as he had improved his 3 point shot so much last year, hitting almost 40%. However, digging into the numbers he was white hit from October - February. The rest of the year he shot under 34%. His career average is 34% including that hot streak so we may look back at last year as a big outlier for him as far as 3 point percentage goes. This Celtics squad gets a lot of open 3s because of their ball movement; that combined with improvement from their shooters makes them a better team from deep this year. Should be more consistent. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 8:03:40 GMT -5
Not sure why we are still clamoring for a rim protector... is Baynes a rim protector? I’d say yes; How many more times is Giannis going to come into the lane and get flattened by him? But others would say no because he doesn’t get blocks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 8:46:18 GMT -5
As someone who coaches a team sport (not basketball), reading this quote from Semi is music to my ears.
“During timeouts, I watch what Coach is drawing up and try to envision myself out there with what guys are doing,” he said. “I’m trying to imagine that I’m them, doing what they’re doing. So when I get out there it’s like I’ve been playing already.”
It’s very hard to get players to realize how important this is, especially kids, but visualization both before and during games is an incredibly valuable tool for success. Actually, thinking about situations and bringing your brain to vividly see yourself doing it SUCCESSFULLY can have such a positive impact it’s incredible. It’s kind of hard to understand why it helps which is probably why most people don’t do it. The brain is a powerful thing when used.
Semi just gets it; he’s quickly becoming my binky.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 8, 2017 11:24:52 GMT -5
I’m not trying to say he’s a bad player; i just don’t think he’s great and I can’t help but question him as a winning type player. I don’t like quitters. He’s getting paid a lot of money to play basketball. As the PG and the leader he should have been spearheading the development of his team the last few years and he didn’t. Then he tweeted “I don’t want to be here”. That’s bushleague stuff. The Bucks may very well be a lot better off for having him but i question if he’s a team guy. Kyrie at least demanded a trade and forced the Cavs hands during the offseason and did it after giving them a championship. He left to be part of a team of players and wanted to be a point guard. The rumors are he wanted his own team and it turns out that meant to be part of a team and not just be LeBrons sub-servant. I think you are being a little unfair if you have no problem with Irving. Bledsoe did the same thing this offseason. On the downlow he asked to be traded. He was sick of losing. The difference is the Cavs traded Irving, the Suns just ignored Bledsoe. 4 straight losing years. They traded away those players 3 years ago that were inline to make playoffs. A team filled with young twenty year old players. I think Bledsoe had more right to demand a trade than Irving. Irving went to 3 straight finals and won a title. I get why Irving did it, but it was a very selfish move. It's like Scotty Pippen demanding a trade from the Bulls because he was in MJs shadow. I'm glad he did. I have no problem with it, because I think players have that right. That team fired it's coach like 5 games into the season. Talk about being a mess of a team. I would fault a player like Bledsoe that's in his prime if he was ok with the losing. He didn't quit on his team either, he just made a bad tweet because he was upset. The team then suspended him and told him to stay away. We will get a first hand look at his ability to win because the Bucks look like a top 4 team in the East. The one thing to really worry about with Bledsoe is injuries. That's all I would worry about. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 12:25:00 GMT -5
I wouldn’t compare playing with Jordan to LeBron...
Also, there’s a big difference between quitting during the season and asking for a trade in the offseason. I have a hard time believing that there’s not more to the story. I’m supposed to believe a player asked for a trade during the offseason and was denied. Then he makes a tweet a couple games in saying he doesn’t want to be here so the team suspends him indefinitely and decides they need to trade him? That’s either the most incompetent front office or something is missing from the equation. Why would Bledsoe be quiet about it all offseason (after watching the Kyrie things) then speak up once the season starts?
He knew where the team was and it’s direction last year when he sat out a chunk of the season. He should have requested a trade as soon as the season was over. By waiting he screwed the Suns for his own benefit. That’s a selfish move. Well within his rights but i can’t respect it.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 8, 2017 13:19:49 GMT -5
My big regret after Hayward went down was not being in Las Vegas a few days later when the national press was relegating the Celtics to second-tier status. That always depresses the money being placed on a team and skews the odds against them. Would have been a perfect time for multiple side bets.
One of the big problems for the quantitative rating of pro basketball teams is the lack of anything like Clay Davenport's protocols for baseball when evaluating college or foreign talent. That's true even for reputable sites such as fivethirtyeight.com.
Tatum, Theis, Ojeleye, and even the emergence of very young players such as Brown, barely factored into their calculations. It's early, but that seems to be a glaring gap in those ratings if the Celts are any indication. This looked like a team with a lot of fairly valuable talent. So it appears to be. Would have been nice to put my money where my thoughts were.
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