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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 8, 2017 13:40:22 GMT -5
I wouldn’t compare playing with Jordan to LeBron... Also, there’s a big difference between quitting during the season and asking for a trade in the offseason. I have a hard time believing that there’s not more to the story. I’m supposed to believe a player asked for a trade during the offseason and was denied. Then he makes a tweet a couple games in saying he doesn’t want to be here so the team suspends him indefinitely and decides they need to trade him? That’s either the most incompetent front office or something is missing from the equation. Why would Bledsoe be quiet about it all offseason (after watching the Kyrie things) then speak up once the season starts? He knew where the team was and it’s direction last year when he sat out a chunk of the season. He should have requested a trade as soon as the season was over. By waiting he screwed the Suns for his own benefit. That’s a selfish move. Well within his rights but i can’t respect it. Multiple reports say he requested a trade in the offseason. You can't debate that. I think we can all agree public trade request are bad, hurts teams leverage. So him not speaking out isn't crazy. After they didn't trade him, he just went with it. Trying to act like a professional, but just couldn't take it anymore. You request a trade and nothing. Then 5 games into season they fire the coach and are yet again a mess. Kyrie didn't make his request public, rumors have it LeBron leaked it. The reports I have seen is that Suns kept telling Bledsoe we are going to improve. I assume that's what the Millsap to the Suns rumors were. So he waited and acted like a good employee. After no free agents or trades he requests a trade. It wasn't I hate the team, it was I want to win or even a chance to win. I'm in my prime. That's why I find it funny you support Irving and not Bledsoe. If the Suns either improved or traded him nothing happens. Instead they do nothing and then fire the coach after 5 games. You seem to be under the notion Bledsoe handled this poorly, when all signs point to the Suns acting like morons. To fire a coach 5 games into the season for performance on a team no one thought would have a chance at the playoffs is crazy. That means you thought about it in the offseason and did nothing. Signs point to incompetent front office. I get if you have questions about Bledsoe the player, but the notion he tried to screw them over seems wrong. I get the notion that the Suns GM is struggling to pick a path. He was debating about improving or following the same path this offseason. I think he choose the right path. Millsap would have been another Tyson Chandler mistake. At the same time he should have traded Bledsoe when he chose the keep rebuilding path. By the time they are ready to compete Bledsoe would have been gone. When they first tried to trade Bledsoe you saw the issue. He wanted a crap load and only came down because the way he handled the Bledsoe tweet meant he had to now trade him and couldn't wait for that big offer he was hoping for. I bet he is kicking himself hard for not taking the offers he had in the offseason. Either you think it's ok to request a trade or you don't. If you believe a player should be able to do that, Bledsoe did nothing wrong till the Suns yet again acted like morons firing their coach. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 13:46:45 GMT -5
The reports I’ve seen say preseason not offseason. I think there is a substantial difference between the two. But I’m over talking about it. That’s how I feel. It makes me question him not write him off.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 8, 2017 15:34:58 GMT -5
I just went through 10 reports on it and got a vague he requested before the season and this one that clearly says it was he requested during the summer, not the preseason. I would agree if a few days before the season starts out of no where he requests a trade. That would be a different thing all together. I just haven't seen that report. www.sbnation.com/2017/11/8/16622900/eric-bledsoe-trade-winners-losersThat along with reports they almost traded him at the draft to Denver for Mudiay, a first and filler. They also offered him to the Cavs for Irving. They were trying to trade him this Summer. So if there is a report saying he did it in preseason I don't buy it. Most likely the Suns GM trying to save his job. As that article said some people thought the way he handle this was him trying to get fired. That's how bad people around the NBA feel about how he handled this. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 17:06:46 GMT -5
I’m worried about Horfords concussion
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 8, 2017 17:10:32 GMT -5
Not sure why we are still clamoring for a rim protector... is Baynes a rim protector? I’d say yes; How many more times is Giannis going to come into the lane and get flattened by him? But others would say no because he doesn’t get blocks. I'd like the depth myself. You got 2 good bigs in Theis and Baynes and 1 overall great one in Horford. You kind of need a forth for injuries and fatigue. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 8, 2017 17:33:14 GMT -5
I actually like our big depth. Last year it was Horford and Johnson. You had Zeller, but he was useless. This year you have an extra guy in Theis. For a team that goes small and will play Tatum at PF and Morris that seems like enough depth. We have Yabu who can't get off the bench. Theis being a player really made our depth very good, nevermind Baynes bringing some toughness.
I'm all for buying low on an Okafor. Not for depth, but just because it would be great value. Our depth makes it hard though for him to get playing time. I'd be interested in a young tough big like Baynes if anyone knows of a guy like that available. It's funny I thought we would miss Zizic but we haven't. Not sure he would get more minutes than Yabu has.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 8, 2017 19:22:53 GMT -5
I don't consider Yabu a option currently. He has been a project so far.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2017 20:25:13 GMT -5
Kyrie just crossed over the entire Lakers team holy nuts.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2017 21:00:37 GMT -5
Marcus Smart Just rejected Ball at the Rim
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2017 21:15:11 GMT -5
Marcus Smart Just rejected Ball at the Rim That was flat out incredible. Too bad the team got on cruise control a bit and the Lakers upped their game, it was fun watching the Stevens offense against a dead defense. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 8, 2017 22:04:19 GMT -5
How many layups can a team miss in 1 night?
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Post by jmei on Nov 8, 2017 22:05:24 GMT -5
Without Horford and Irving on the court, they're just short on consistent shot creation.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2017 22:40:05 GMT -5
Man they really pulled that win out of their a** lol. Horford out, Tatum out, Brown looking terrible, Kyrie injured and bricking anything that isn't a layup, Lakers playing hungry and yet they gutted it out. Tremendous stuff right there.
A couple of things I was thinking in the game:
If Smart was just a bit better on offense he'd be a max player or close to it. He's pretty much the guard version of Draymond Green but he has no shot and sucks going to the rim as well. In everything else he's just unbelievable and they easily lose this game without him, his defense on Kuzma on more than one occasion was awesome. 1-5 he just goes to work and make it hard for anyone.
And Lonzo looks like a 2nd rounder. I know Ingram looked awful last year as well and he's doing much better this year, but Lonzo doesn't look rookie bad. He just doesn't look like a pro at all. He can't stay in front of anyone, he can't shoot, his shooting form is atrocious and goofy, he can't run the offense when it slows down, he bricks layups, even his passing is hit and miss right now.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 8, 2017 22:51:32 GMT -5
Gutted it out - great win with all sorts of manpower issues. This team is setting up to be something special...and we are lucky to be fans.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2017 6:44:58 GMT -5
Without Horford and Irving on the court, they're just short on consistent shot creation. And Tatum... |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2017 7:19:30 GMT -5
June 2019 is going to be pretty nuts when this team is coming off a huge championship win over the Warriors and we have the 2nd pick in the draft by way of Sacramento. Remember when people were upset Danny put the protections on the picks? Well unless that Kings pick ends up first overall, i think we are going to be happy it’s not the Lakers pick this year despite the deep draft.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Nov 9, 2017 7:23:22 GMT -5
Without Horford and Irving on the court, they're just short on consistent shot creation. And Tatum... And Hayward - just ponder that for a moment. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 9, 2017 8:28:44 GMT -5
June 2019 is going to be pretty nuts when this team is coming off a huge championship win over the Warriors and we have the 2nd pick in the draft by way of Sacramento. Remember when people were upset Danny put the protections on the picks? Well unless that Kings pick ends up first overall, i think we are going to be happy it’s not the Lakers pick this year despite the deep draft. They will also have the Memphis #1, top 8 protected and the Clippers #1, top 14 protected. Those picks look like they should be realized along with there own. So 4 first round picks with 1 most likely in the top of the draft, for a team that is already championship caliber. Hate to bring up a very bad memory but it reminds me of "86" and Len Bias. I don't think people realize how good he was. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2017 9:38:59 GMT -5
And Hayward - just ponder that for a moment. Agreed they would be better right now but are they going to be better next year because of this injury? I suppose that depends on if Hayward can come all the way back and how quickly. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 9, 2017 14:01:19 GMT -5
rjp, is there something in tapatalk that allows you to adjust the size of pictures when you post? Every time you post one it's enormous. I can tell you how to edit in proboards, but you always post on tapatalk, which I don't know how to use. When I edit them, I usually size them down to 20% of original. Yea i can select a smaller size. I’m never on proboards so I️ only see it on my app. Is this better? These are last Celtics rookies to average what Tatum is for points and rebounds.  Yup, bueno. Thanks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2017 16:16:19 GMT -5
June 2019 is going to be pretty nuts when this team is coming off a huge championship win over the Warriors and we have the 2nd pick in the draft by way of Sacramento. Remember when people were upset Danny put the protections on the picks? Well unless that Kings pick ends up first overall, i think we are going to be happy it’s not the Lakers pick this year despite the deep draft. It all depends on the drafts. For example 2017 looks like the epic draft everyone thought it was and the top two players have struggled. The depth was unreal even in the late lottery with guys like Mitchell and Monk doing very good things already. It's way early but wow the 2017 draft looks epic. All the way to the second round that has players making impacts. Look at Kuzma as a late first round pick. Now compare that to the Marcus Smart draft. Now it's way early on the 2018 draft but it looks epic as well. Guys from the 2019 class jumping into the 2018 class. It's so loaded that Miles Bridges is rated lower in the 2018 draft than 2017 one. So it really depends on how good the 2019 draft will be and we just can't now yet, it's way too early. You won't get a good idea untill this time next year. At the same time how good the Kings are right now doesn't matter, it's how good will they be next year. They have a crap load of good young talent. Guys like Fox and Hield look like they will be good starters. Now add one of those top guys from next years draft and let all the young guys get playing time and improve. We've yet to see Giles play as they making sure he is 100%. They brought in solid Vets like Hill and Randolph to help teach the young guys and show them how to win. The biggest issue for me is the coach. He is a defensive coach and he lacks Stevens ability to also be good offensively. He'll help teach the young guys how to play D, but he is the wrong coach for that roster. His style is best on a Vet team like the Grizzles. So I don't really feel the way you do. Untill we know more about the 2019 draft class. A top 10 pick in 2018 could be better than the #5 pick in 2019. I also wouldn't overlook a Kings team with Fox, Hield, Giles, WCS, Richardson, Labissiere, Papagiannis, Jackson and Mason. With some solid Vets in Hill, Randolph, and Koufos. Then add another top 5 pick in a loaded class to a roster with another year of experience. I don't see a playoff team, but I can see them being a lot better than they are right now. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2017 16:21:14 GMT -5
And Hayward - just ponder that for a moment. Agreed they would be better right now but are they going to be better next year because of this injury? I suppose that depends on if Hayward can come all the way back and how quickly. The extra playing time for Tatum and Brown is going to be huge. Before the season Danny said he didn't think Tatum would get enough minutes to win ROY. That has changed now with Haywards injury. I'm going to assume Hayward comes back 100% untill I hear otherwise. A full year should be plenty of time. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 10, 2017 20:10:00 GMT -5
My God that was a terrible quarter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 10, 2017 20:12:52 GMT -5
I'm scoreboard watching, but the Celtics are getting handled. Is Tatum and Horford even playing?
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Post by ianrs on Nov 10, 2017 20:14:11 GMT -5
I'm scoreboard watching, but the Celtics are getting handled. Is Tatum and Horford even playing? Well, Kyrie is out with a potential concussion and possibly a broken nose. |
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