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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 14, 2017 7:42:13 GMT -5
What do people think about the Celtics offense? It’s been it’s main weakness - they’ve been pretty bad too. If not for their defense and offensive rebounding, i can only imagine how bad it would be. It’s been a weird bad though... for some reason, I feel confident in it down the stretch. Between, Kyrie, Horford and Tatum it feels like they can score when they want to and need to late but why is it so bad early in games? Is it being part of such a new group? Normally, defense is the thing that would lag, but Stevens runs a complex motion offense that takes Everyone working as one. Maybe they spent most of their time getting the defense together so the offense is lagging but will eventually catch up...
Smart, Rozier, Brown and even Tatum (percentage wise) have been bad finishing at the rim. Smart and Rozier are just inefficient scorers - that’s not going to change for Marcus but hopefully the other 3 get better at it.
One things for certain. This team needs to get better offensively. Looking forward into the future it’s basically a guarantee they will but will it happen this year.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 14, 2017 8:06:24 GMT -5
Exerting energy on defense negatively impacts the same team's offense. We have the guys to play outstanding defense when fully committed. That is our strength and we have maximized it. If we relaxed the D and tried to outscore other teams, we would not be nearly as successful IMO. Outside of Kyrie and Horford, ...and to a lesser extent due to youth, Tatum, who do we have as high percentage scorers?
We are playing the game we need to play to be successful. Thankfully we have relative youth as defensive effort can take a toll over a long season. I note that Stevens has spread minutes nicely...a trend in the league...to keep guys as fresh as possible.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 14, 2017 9:14:55 GMT -5
What do people think about the Celtics offense? It’s been it’s main weakness - they’ve been pretty bad too. If not for their defense and offensive rebounding, i can only imagine how bad it would be. It’s been a weird bad though... for some reason, I feel confident in it down the stretch. Between, Kyrie, Horford and Tatum it feels like they can score when they want to and need to late but why is it so bad early in games? Is it being part of such a new group? Normally, defense is the thing that would lag, but Stevens runs a complex motion offense that takes Everyone working as one. Maybe they spent most of their time getting the defense together so the offense is lagging but will eventually catch up... Smart, Rozier, Brown and even Tatum (percentage wise) have been bad finishing at the rim. Smart and Rozier are just inefficient scorers - that’s not going to change for Marcus but hopefully the other 3 get better at it. One things for certain. This team needs to get better offensively. Looking forward into the future it’s basically a guarantee they will but will it happen this year. This was expected after Hayward’s injury, but they were starting to click a little more before Kyrie’s and Horford’s injuries. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when they’re healthy again. This is why I’m happy they’re being patient before they fill that last roster spot - theres a decent chance a shooter becomes available in the buyout market, which is what this offense could use. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 14, 2017 19:49:48 GMT -5
Marcus Morris has been flat out BALLING.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 14, 2017 21:52:44 GMT -5
Marcus Morris has been flat out BALLING. I knew people were under rating him but i didn’t think he was as good offensively as he is. He’s a good second unit player. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 14, 2017 22:06:04 GMT -5
I'm not a big "unwritten rules" kind of guy, but why is Brooklyn fouling a guy down 9 with less than 10 seconds to go? And then firing a 3? Game's over man, go home and play some video games or something.
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Post by jmei on Nov 14, 2017 22:46:44 GMT -5
They're not as good as their record, but banked wins are banked wins, and a number of their young players (most notably, Brown) should continue to improve.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2017 0:13:20 GMT -5
13 and counting. We see you Golden State.....
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2017 7:59:11 GMT -5
They're not as good as their record, but banked wins are banked wins, and a number of their young players (most notably, Brown) should continue to improve. How dare you suggest they aren’t a 71 win team in the making! I agree wholeheartedly tho; i love every player who’s been playing this year and this team as a whole but win streaks have a tendency to make people overlook things a bit. I feel like we are about to get punched in the face by a motivated Golden State team that wants to put the feel good story back in its place. Beyond that: The rebounding is real The defense isn’t as good as it looks. The offense is a mild concern The fight and tenacity and refusal to lose is very real. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 15, 2017 10:13:37 GMT -5
They're not as good as their record, but banked wins are banked wins, and a number of their young players (most notably, Brown) should continue to improve. They're really, really good though. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2017 13:05:56 GMT -5
The Celtics look like clearly the best defensive team in the league. The also look like the best team currently in the East. Maybe in time Cleveland or Washington overtakes them, but right now it's crystal clear.
At the same time they won't win 70 games. I know a shocking prediction. They could win 60 though which would be very impressive. It's hard to tell, the West looks like it should. The East is really bad or some teams are a lot better than we thought. Detriot are they this good? The fact the Knicks and Magic have winning records. The Knicks were a mess when we played them and don't have much talent.
I can't wait for the Warriors. So far we only have one really good win against the Thunder and they are struggling. We beat the Spurs without their best player. Good win against the Raptors but I don't see them as a true title contender. So the Warrior game is huge. You know they want a win to stop the streak and show they are #1 in the league. I just like how we matchup and can't wait.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2017 13:13:12 GMT -5
I think you’re not being fair enough on the good wins front. For me there were several.
Milwaukee away was a good win in my opinion.
Charlotte without Horford and Kyrie was was very good win
Toronto was definitely a good win (we couldn’t beat them the last 2 years)
I even think in Orlando was a good win because we decimated them but I get why it won’t be counted.
But I think i agree on your overall point that the schedule has been fairly soft.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2017 15:23:07 GMT -5
I'm looking at wins that can tell you how good the Celtics are and where they rank among the the top teams. The Raptor win was good as I said, but they are a few notches below title contender in my book. The Hornets and Bucks are a notch below the Raptors. Maybe the Bucks are with the Raptors, time will tell. They aren't title contenders. I really want to see if we are that good. We have certainly looked that way, but we have yet to face the really good teams in West besides the Thunder and Spurs without one of the best players in the league. So lets see how we do playing the Spurs at full strength, Warriors, Rockets and Timberwolves. Then lets see how we do against the Pistons and Wizards.
Yea overall it has been really soft in my opinion. It's kind of crazy we are close to 1/5 of the way through the season and right now the Cavs and Thunder are out of playoffs. The Cavs because they are a mess and the Thunder because the West is just stacked. The Thunder have a plus 5.5 points per game on average point differential and have a losing record.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2017 15:41:00 GMT -5
Gotcha - I guess I just don’t think they are title contenders... and if thats what you’re looking for you won’t find it during the regular season anyways.
The ceiling of this team is winning the Eastern Conference but we aren’t on par with a Golden State but no one is.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2017 17:06:31 GMT -5
I'm not looking to see if we are the better team. I'm looking to see if we could hang with them and have a chance. This team is litterally a nightmare for them. You could be looking at the best offense meets the best defense. We have the athletes to match up with them. I don't see how they just run over us like they did to the Cavs in finals. We won't be playing guys like Korver, Jefferson and Williams. That's why I love this team, its built on D, unlike last years team. I really can't wait!
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2017 17:18:40 GMT -5
We certainly match up better with the Warriors that a lot of teams because of our defense and length. We certainly have a chance to beat them especially in the regular season. We need to be hot from downtown to do it but we could. This is a game where Baynes should be limited and you see more of Horford at the 5 and Theis. I wonder if we go bigger small against them. Meaning we might not see those 3 guard lineups. Need more wings to guard their length.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2017 7:43:15 GMT -5
Is there a Celtics game tonight?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2017 8:26:23 GMT -5
Will teams ever trade with Danny again?
Before this offseason, it seemed like it had become increasingly more difficult for Danny to find trade partners, but he stayed true to himself and patient and good things happened. Good things being he fleeced 2 Conference opponents. Here’s a quick recap of some of Danny’s pillaging around the league:
1. Pierce/ Garnet Nets trade
2. Rondo to Mavs for Crowder and 1st rd pick
3. Marcus Thornton and a Cavs first (acquired by taking a salary so Cavs could sign LeBron) for Isaiah Thomas
4. 2017 number 1 pick for 2017 number 3 pick plus another lottery pick in 2018 or 2019. Still draft the same guy they would have anyways. Free lottery pick!
5. Acquire 25 year old Kyrie for the last Nets pick and very little else that was important to the short and long term plans for the Celtics. Ainge didn’t want to pay IT at his age, height and injury history and Crowder is another “Stevens makes you look better player” who’s been more than replaced with even cheaper options. Amazing.
Who’s going to trade with him again? Guess Anthony Davis isn’t walking thru that door.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 16, 2017 11:49:48 GMT -5
I think teams will still deal with Ainge. However, I think teams will start to evaluate their own players even more if Ainge inquires on them. I think the main question will be next time-
"What does Danny see in my player that I don't see?" (Isaah, Crowder as examples)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2017 14:07:39 GMT -5
GMs are smart guys that always think they're right. Danny's record might make them pause, but overall it won't stop them.
1. Was just a very short sighted more. I don't think even Danny thought it would be this good.
2. Good move, but the contract extension was the better move on Crowder. I still remember thinking 5 years was crazy for him. It looks better for Celtics because Rondo was such a bad fit for the Mavs and what happend.
3. You look back and it seems like a steal, but that was market rate. Just like with Crowder Stevens helped turn Thomas into an All Star. Danny didn't even want to make that trade, but couldn't turn it down.
4. A good move, but teams will always do that type of trade. Come on so many of you thought Fultz was God and he was 100% the best player. Its not the trade that's bad. Just Danny is better at finding and ranking talent. Other GMs bought the hype of Fultz. Nevermind I think Fultz becomes a player and I don't see how Tatum fits on Sixers.
5. Most people thought we overpaid. We got the best player, so we likely win the trade. At the same time I don't think any GM looks at that trade and goes I won't trade with the Celtics.
Danny has made some good moves, but Stevens is really the reason they look brillant. Look at Crowder in Cleveland. They have no clue how to use him.
So I don't think teams won't deal with the Celtics. I don't see another team offering more than we can for Davis. The question is do we pay that high of a price?
I also think you left out a few of his better trades like trading a high second round pick for the Clippers future first rounder and trading Green for a future Memphis pick. Those could be huge and look brillant.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2017 21:01:45 GMT -5
Goddamn the Warriors are ridiculous.
Edit: it's not because they lead, but it's more about how they lead. Their alpha dogs are combining to shoot 5-17 and they're facing the best defense in the league and it's almost like it doesn't bother them. Business as usual.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 16, 2017 21:18:23 GMT -5
Keeping it close despite really cold shooting...some odd calls (and missed calls)
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2017 21:22:28 GMT -5
That final 4-5 minutes of the quarter were incredible. Some great defense being played tonight by both teams.
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Post by jmei on Nov 16, 2017 21:49:37 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown is having a hell of a game.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 16, 2017 22:01:53 GMT -5
This team is gutsy...loaded with heart. What a game!
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