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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 7, 2018 20:41:08 GMT -5
I believe the Lakers are currently the #2 pick, prior to lottery results. There is half a season to go. The record differential with the 7 closest teams is minimal. If the Lakers shed salary particularly with a trade of Randle, they could drop to the bottom. If they keep him and the young core matures, they could finish outside the lowest five. The Lakers have no great incentive either way. They play their 'equal' in the Hawks tonight at home....Not sure how I want this to go...but with Ball and Lopez back, suspect a Laker win. Randle could give them draft capital, which could lead to more flexibility. That is the only advantage I see from trading Randle.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 7, 2018 21:36:34 GMT -5
I believe the Lakers are currently the #2 pick, prior to lottery results. There is half a season to go. The record differential with the 7 closest teams is minimal. If the Lakers shed salary particularly with a trade of Randle, they could drop to the bottom. If they keep him and the young core matures, they could finish outside the lowest five. The Lakers have no great incentive either way. They play their 'equal' in the Hawks tonight at home....Not sure how I want this to go...but with Ball and Lopez back, suspect a Laker win. Randle could give them draft capital, which could lead to more flexibility. That is the only advantage I see from trading Randle.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 7, 2018 21:39:16 GMT -5
Well hell I agree with you. A trade of Randle would help us provided that the Lakers don't finish dead last.....draft 2018.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 7, 2018 22:41:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I'm a full on Lavar hater, but one thing I'm sure about is that Lonzo is not nearly good enough to have your coach put up with this much bullsh*t.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 8, 2018 6:57:44 GMT -5
How is an organization supposed to deal with a Lamar Ball type parent? Does Lonzo tell him to shutup? Will he? What a headache. Oh well he is doing all he can to help the C's get a top pick so thank you for your big mouth.
The Lakers are stuck with this guy!!
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Post by ryan24 on Jan 8, 2018 7:33:37 GMT -5
This thread always has in the background the laker pick. It would be interesting to know what Brad and Danny think of this draft and who is THE GUY that they want. I know they think that it is a very strong draft, but what player do they REALLY want? If the lakers do not land in the 2-5 spot in the draft process, do the C's put a draft pick package together to move into a spot to get the player that Brad wants? Clearly they want a big who can rebound in traffic and fits the offensive system with Kyrie and Hayward has the main cogs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2018 7:35:27 GMT -5
I’m a LaVar hater. The guy is a jerk. He uses his kids and the fact that he’s given air time is a joke. I do my best to not click on any story that he’s a part of (it’s not easy) and i hope others do the same. He’s a parent; the Lakers and media should ignore him and not give him any air time. The only reason media should talk to parents is for those inspirational background stories. The Lakers should tell reporters if they ask questions about any players parents or family they will not only not answer them but they won’t take any further questions from said reporters and if they continue to break the rule they should remove their credentials. It’s not news. These are grown men at work - their parents should be irrelevant.
Ok sorry rant over - I won’t be talking about LaVar any longer.
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Post by ryan24 on Jan 8, 2018 7:43:55 GMT -5
I see Bogut got released from the lakers. Any interest now? Was some back earlier in the thread.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2018 7:49:56 GMT -5
This thread always has in the background the laker pick. It would be interesting to know what Brad and Danny think of this draft and who is THE GUY that they want. I know they think that it is a very strong draft, but what player do they REALLY want? If the lakers do not land in the 2-5 spot in the draft process, do the C's put a draft pick package together to move into a spot to get the player that Brad wants? Clearly they want a big who can rebound in traffic and fits the offensive system with Kyrie and Hayward has the main cogs. No chance they trade up into the top of the draft if they don’t get the Lakers pick. It’d be virtually impossible to do so without taking away a major piece or two. The allure of the Lakers pick is adding without having to subtract. You want to trade Jaylen Brown and the Kings pick for one of these prospects? That’s the minimum of what it’s take.
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Post by ryan24 on Jan 8, 2018 10:57:32 GMT -5
This thread always has in the background the laker pick. It would be interesting to know what Brad and Danny think of this draft and who is THE GUY that they want. I know they think that it is a very strong draft, but what player do they REALLY want? If the lakers do not land in the 2-5 spot in the draft process, do the C's put a draft pick package together to move into a spot to get the player that Brad wants? Clearly they want a big who can rebound in traffic and fits the offensive system with Kyrie and Hayward has the main cogs. No chance they trade up into the top of the draft if they don’t get the Lakers pick. It’d be virtually impossible to do so without taking away a major piece or two. The allure of the Lakers pick is adding without having to subtract. You want to trade Jaylen Brown and the Kings pick for one of these prospects? That’s the minimum of what it’s take. No chance, and we are talking about Danny here, is probably close to correct but I would not rule out anything. How many guys of this young core will the C's be able to keep? If Brad truly has a guy he wants, I think Danny will seriously look at moving a wing like Brown to get him. I am assuming it is a big, like, example the kid from Texas. Like Brown and would like to keep him. Also agree that it would be great to get the lakers pick. A team like Atlanta is not going to win with 1 top 5 pick. If they got a brown and some kind of package of picks /young players I think they would truly be farther ahead. DO NOT WANT TO GIVE AWAY the farm to get the deal done. Just a thought. Still do not know who Brad really wants out of this draft.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2018 11:31:41 GMT -5
You mean who Danny wants? Or you think Brad is making the picks?
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 8, 2018 13:46:50 GMT -5
Getting Smart for 4/38 sounds great to me but I think it will take a lot more than that. Whether it is a fair one year deal or a favorable 2+ year deal Danny has some tough choices to make with the longterm cap decisions over the next 3 years. I really like Smart but he might not fit beyond next year and they should really consider investing more in a 5. Horford needs to play the 4 more especially as he ages and the C's weakness is still at the 5. Of course the Lakers pick could solve that problem. They now are just 1 game out of the #1 slot going into the lottery, which I know is a long way away but.... I love seeing how many of the bottom 10 are having 5-5 and 4-6 10 game stretches and I really think the Lakers will struggle down the stretch. Lots of young guys to hit the rookie wall. A man can hope! What do you think it takes? I think Rip is right on about maybe going higher on a one year deal. Gives you the salary need to trade for another big contract. Makes him happy, but I don't think he'll ever get close to what he wants. He's dreaming of Turner and Crabbe type money and I just don't see that happening. You never know, but it seems very unlikely. I also would try to sign him long-term start out at 5 years 50 million and would go to 60 million if it got it done. If he declines give him the 1 year 15 million. The hard thing will be if a team goes crazy and gives him a big offer. Given the fact that I can't see how we get cap space again for a long time. You hate to lose assets for nothing. Not a time for our owner to get cheap. If we are smart and our owner spends we seem to be on the verge of becoming the next Warriors. I know everyone thinks I dislike Smart, I don't. More than willing to give him a good sized long-term contract, but at around 10% of the cap, not 15-20%. I think that's a very fair deal for him. I agree with you guys thinking. A nice 1 year deal for goodwill and the possible trade salary or a LT team friendly deal after he realizes his stock isn't that high around the league. Although I doubt the 2nd happens, money means respect for these guys and he will want his respect. What that is for a guy who is considered all D no O I don't know. But I am sure he thinks he is worth more than the reality. He seems to be the type of guy who values respect and is easily offended. I could be wrong but he is all attitude and that is what makes him great, I would love to see him coming off the C's bench for a long time.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 8, 2018 14:04:37 GMT -5
Nikola Mirotic is an interesting player that will be available via trade soon and could fit as a 6-10 PF/C with 3 pt shooting ability. He wants to be traded to a contender and the Bulls need to move him. By using the IR player exception they should be able to get it done, I think.
edit. nope can't use the exception
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2018 15:24:04 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter if Smart wants a big contract - if it’s over midlevel money he needs a team with cap space to want to use it on a guy like him. That’s highly unlikely.
Edit: although the 2019 free agent class is pretty light even factoring in this years restricted guys who may be unrestricted
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 8, 2018 19:20:35 GMT -5
Not an expert on all the rules so I will take your word for it.
On a different note it seems as thought the C's could land someone very good with the DPE.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 8, 2018 19:37:39 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter if Smart wants a big contract - if it’s over midlevel money he needs a team with cap space to want to use it on a guy like him. That’s highly unlikely. Edit: although the 2019 free agent class is pretty light even factoring in this years restricted guys who may be unrestricted So based on what you know what do you think the range will be for Smart?
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 8, 2018 23:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 8, 2018 23:17:07 GMT -5
Wow, that was bad! Cavs down 30 and he loses it. Then nobody from Minn does anything to step up for Wiggins?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 9, 2018 9:06:08 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter if Smart wants a big contract - if it’s over midlevel money he needs a team with cap space to want to use it on a guy like him. That’s highly unlikely. Edit: although the 2019 free agent class is pretty light even factoring in this years restricted guys who may be unrestricted So based on what you know what do you think the range will be for Smart? It’s hard to say... teams don’t usually pay big money for defense and “winning plays”. The Celtics huge advantage (as long as the owners aren’t concerned about luxury tax money), is they can go over the cap to sign him AND their star money is already accounted for with Horford, Hayward and Kyrie. Would a team with cap room really use it to sign a guy like Smart? The team that might would be one who doesn’t have a max slot available, but already has its stars on the roster. Let’s pretend Marcus was an unrestricted free agent this offseason. A team like the Lakers might make sense. They will likely come up short of two max slots but can get one plus a big chunk. So them signing a LeBron/George plus Marcus to go with the young guys would make sense. So maybe they would be a threat to give him 18m per in that instance because they’d be ready to win now. They won’t be though but has to be a team like that. Maybe the Sixers will have cap room to do that and not have to worry about it because their stars will be their young guys and Smart would be the glue guy they need to make it work. It’s going to take a very specific situation for a team to pay him because in the NBA it’s as much about WHEN you add guys as it is getting the guys themselves. The non-tax payer midlevel exception is about 8.5m... My guess is Marcus gets a Kelly Olynic type contract. 4/50 to 4/60
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 9, 2018 9:07:14 GMT -5
That was weird... was almost like an after thought... it was dirty but not violent and he kinda walked over and checked on him... he wasn’t really even guarding him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 9, 2018 10:42:09 GMT -5
Wow, that was bad! Cavs down 30 and he loses it. Then nobody from Minn does anything to step up for Wiggins? They kind of surrounded him, but maybe nobody did anything else because they knew IT was coming back from an injury? Not sure, it was a very psychedelic play. That was weird... was almost like an after thought... it was dirty but not violent and he kinda walked over and checked on him... he wasn’t really even guarding him. I think he was frustrated, this is full on "sports psychologist" here, but it must be really hard for a guy to come out of a team that plays some very organized and fundamentally sound ball to then play in Cleveland which can't defend to save their lives and play a style of offense that can seriously only be described as f*ckball. This really feels like 2010 again. We'll beat Lebron so hard it will cause him to quit his team mid-series and then move on to take over another franchise in search of his futile attempt to be Michael Jordan. The only thing missing is Delonte doing his mom. LATE EDIT: Kind of unrelated but I didn't want to double post, but this is awesome to see. If Hayward is good to go for the playoffs, there's a very decent chance the C's can win it all this year. I'm hyped!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 10, 2018 4:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 10, 2018 7:59:00 GMT -5
Evans most likely will require a first round pick with the way he is playing. Also, Larkin averages 11 mins a game but that’s only because they don’t favor in he games he doesn’t even play. He certainly fits the Celtics mold and could add some real scoring punch to the second unit. However, I feel like their lack of scoring comes from Smart and the bigs more so than Morris and Rozier. They’d be better off finding an offensive Center to take Baynes minutes in games they don’t need a tradition center. Would be nice to platoon a guy like KO and Baynes depending on opponent. I’d take him and let Stevens work it out but not for a first. I believe it will take one. His salary slot is so low that every contender will be after him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 10, 2018 8:33:30 GMT -5
Another option for Danny is to wait for someone that fits the C's to be bought out. The C's would then have more money to offer and would not give up an asset in a trade. I like the idea of Greg Monroe who is forecast to be available. I like Evans and some of the other players available via trade but if someone good is available for nothing more than the exception then I prefer that over giving up an asset for less than half a season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 10, 2018 9:38:26 GMT -5
Evans is better than Monroe but i think Monroe is a better fit for what they need. It’s kind of odd tho because Evans is a better fit for the system but the Celtics are pretty good at his position and even better if Hayward makes it back.
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