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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2018 17:14:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. People who keep talking Baynes down need to read it. He's one of the league's best defenders by the numbers, and the Celtics have an excellent net differential when he's on the court. The gist of the article looks at how well the team meshes defensively despite being so young on average. Why not just watch the games? I don't think anyone thinks Baynes is totally useless, but he is a limited player. Very good defending a traditional center types, but rather useless against small ball teams. Only an OK rebounder and shot blocker. He really can't create any offense. Go look at his minute splits and you will see why we need a small ball center. He's like a modern day Perkins, an enforcer. Which is great, but in today's NBA that's not a 30 minute a night starter. That's is a match up guy. For a team that struggles to score and looks lost without Horford, we need another big. A guy like Randle matches up against other teams small ball lineups. Also allows you to rest Horford more. Even Monroe, while not a small ball center, can score at will in the paint when the other team goes small. Something neither Baynes or Theis can do. I think I speak for most in saying we don't want to trade Baynes, just add another match-up piece to the team. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 15, 2018 13:01:13 GMT -5
Just saw a statistic that for whatever reason made me smile. The Boston goddamn Celtics are the 5th youngest team in the league. Only the Lakers, Suns, Bulls (all terrible teams) and surprisingly the Blazers are younger. You hear a lot about the young Sixers, well the Celtics are even younger. Sitting at 34-10. Seriously, if President Stevens doesn't win COTY and Danny doesn't win whatever best FO head honcho prize they dish out then the NBA is a joke. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2018 9:22:36 GMT -5
Just saw a statistic that for whatever reason made me smile. The Boston goddamn Celtics are the 5th youngest team in the league. Only the Lakers, Suns, Bulls (all terrible teams) and surprisingly the Blazers are younger. You hear a lot about the young Sixers, well the Celtics are even younger. Sitting at 34-10. Seriously, if President Stevens doesn't win COTY and Danny doesn't win whatever best FO head honcho prize they dish out then the NBA is a joke. Danny will get the last laugh when he's inducted into the HOF with the moves he has made the past 8 months, if he doesn't get executive of the year or whatever that award is in the NBA. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2018 21:54:32 GMT -5
Man the offense sucked once they got that late 5 points lead. Am I going crazy or did I really see a Marcus Smart ISO?
Stevens draws some beautiful movement on the inbounds, getting that mismatch for Kyrie against Davis looked really effortless.
Overtime!
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 16, 2018 22:04:58 GMT -5
Maybe February they’ll start trying on defense again.
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Post by philarhody on Jan 16, 2018 22:14:50 GMT -5
When Kyrie shoots the ball 24+ times a game the Celtics are 1-5.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2018 22:15:48 GMT -5
This game is a perfect example of how they miss Hayward. Kyrie didn't have anything and while everyone around him is really good, you can't rely on anyone to take over a game consistently. So he kept pushing and forcing stuff in the clutch, which shows he has stones of steel and that's nice, but it wasn't an ideal way to go and I doubt it would have happened with Hayward on the court.
Tonight is a bit frustrating because they needed just one good play once they built that 5 points lead. Just one. Instead it was a Kyrie brick show.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 17, 2018 8:04:01 GMT -5
I think they need to fast forward the Tatum era. He has the three, the mid-range and the finish at the rim game to be more effective on O. Just tell the kid to be more aggressive and clear out for him more often. I want to see him average 17+ shots a game. Even if it is a bit soon for him it will make him develop faster, if he was on a lousy team it would be happening already. There is no downside to at least trying it for a few games.
Scoring is his destiny.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2018 8:10:16 GMT -5
Maybe February they’ll start trying on defense again. Your expectations are a bit much. Before the last 2 games, which did include a lot of time off but also a lot of travel, they had held 3 straight opponents under 90 points. They are the number 1 ranked defense in the league. Even the top defenses have stretches where the play drops which is necessary during the regular season. They would wear themselves out and be toast come playoff time. Think playoff hockey... you know why teams can’t do that the entire season? Everyone would be worn out and hurt. Last night Kyrie was noticeably gassed late in the game. He missed a late free throw that I blame on fatigue. He had to concentrate hard to gather himself to drain the next one. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2018 19:04:40 GMT -5
I think yesterdays game just shows how we need a big. Granted that team has two great bigs, but they just couldn't be stopped. 64 points and 31 rebounds, if that team only had some depth and those guys would stop taking so many 3s.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 18, 2018 11:16:18 GMT -5
Theis was effective in the 4th, he has been good this year considering he is a rookie. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a lot more valuable next year.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 18, 2018 11:31:12 GMT -5
Espn whatever Stephen A Smith who might be a jerk but does know basketball basically says he is just as bullish on J Brown as he is with J Tatum. I consider that to be really great news but do any of you agree? I find it difficult to imagine but he knows more than I do.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 19:46:29 GMT -5
14 turnovers in what 19 minutes?
Sloppy Celtics. Turnovers were a huge part of last night's loss too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 19:57:56 GMT -5
The Celtics look like a car accident without Kyrie on offense.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 18, 2018 20:40:38 GMT -5
The Celtics look like a car accident without Kyrie on offense. They look plenty soft on defense too. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 18, 2018 21:18:54 GMT -5
Philly is a trash bag team and organization. They’re going nowhere even with all this talent.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 19, 2018 8:38:45 GMT -5
I’m never going to another game again... first game in 2 years and that’s what i get... hahah
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 19, 2018 8:48:00 GMT -5
I’m never going to another game again... first game in 2 years and that’s what i get... hahah Hahaha that's just poor luck buddy. What is that Kyrie's 3rd or 4th missed game all year? Just crap timing. Should of been a good game with a playoff opponent potentially. I feel your pain. Been to plenty of games like the one you just went to. Don't play the lottery any time soon. I just saved you a bunch of money with this advice. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 19, 2018 11:31:42 GMT -5
Last year went to Bulls game, a total blow out. Was over half way through first quarter. Everyone started leaving in the third quarter. Going this Sunday, I just want a good game. Wouldn't mind an epic comeback, but hoping for a 4th quarter that is competitive. Living 3 hours away I don't get to many games, so Rip I feel your pain. Been so many epic games this year and 4th quarter comebacks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 19, 2018 11:47:42 GMT -5
They made it exciting for about 25 seconds then missed 4 open 3s in a row and lost any chance
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 20, 2018 22:52:48 GMT -5
Maybe February they’ll start trying on defense again. The Cavs just gave up 148 points in 4 quarters of basketball, maybe the Celtics won't even need to try too hard. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 21, 2018 15:51:16 GMT -5
Team is officially in a funk, let's see how they respond.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 22, 2018 9:48:33 GMT -5
I almost never blame anything on Stevens, as he's a great coach, but he is to blame currently. The lack of play calling and just basically give Irving the ball type offense is so anti Celtic. Also Irving hardly tried to get his teammates involved. Everyone just settling for jumpers. I counted one play with Morris who went to the box and did a post up to try and score in the whole game. Wasn't till mid fourth till Tatum and Brown started making some moves to basket. Tatum looked like a black bear that just got up after winter, but where the heck was he for the first 3 and 1/2 quarters?
This game drove me crazy. I can understand the bad D, they did turn it on in the 4th. Thing is I can't take all jumpers and no one besides Irving going to the basket. I can't understand why we don't post up Horford more, or even Brown and Tatum when we have nights like this. Seems we only use Horford post ups for late 4th quarter and that blows my mind. Lets run some set up plays for Horford, Tatum and Brown! Said it before halftime, Irving would need to score 50 for us to win and that's not good against the Magic!
Thank You Mr. Brady for saving the day! Turned the day around!
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 22, 2018 10:57:42 GMT -5
I almost never blame anything on Stevens, as he's a great coach, but he is to blame currently. The lack of play calling and just basically give Irving the ball type offense is so anti Celtic. Also Irving hardly tried to get his teammates involved. Everyone just settling for jumpers. I counted one play with Morris who went to the box and did a post up to try and score in the whole game. Wasn't till mid fourth till Tatum and Brown started making some moves to basket. Tatum looked like a black bear that just got up after winter, but where the heck was he for the first 3 and 1/2 quarters? This game drove me crazy. I can understand the bad D, they did turn it on in the 4th. Thing is I can't take all jumpers and no one besides Irving going to the basket. I can't understand why we don't post up Horford more, or even Brown and Tatum when we have nights like this. Seems we only use Horford post ups for late 4th quarter and that blows my mind. Lets run some set up plays for Horford, Tatum and Brown! Said it before halftime, Irving would need to score 50 for us to win and that's not good against the Magic! Thank You Mr. Brady for saving the day! Turned the day around! Agreed, the Celtics have been relying far too much on Kyrie and hero ball. This might be an irrational excuse, but I feel like Stevens might be testing stuff. He's adapting his system in order to better use a guy like Kyrie and as such there will be some growing pains. It would really help if Brown could dribble the ball at all and if Tatum and Horford were a bit more aggressive. With any luck he'll see this doesn't fly and go back to the beautiful moving offense. We'll see. But on these 3 losses it really showed how much they miss Hayward. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2018 0:08:32 GMT -5
I want Randle, man he seems perfect. He can control the paint.
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