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2017-18 Celtics Season Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2018 7:23:37 GMT -5
Regarding Morris, year i think the contract is “good”. Good in that it’s already on the books; it’s short money and you can still use the bi-annual to add another guy. He’s being miscast right now as the go to guy on the second unit plus he’s hurt. If you can get something good for him then that’s a different story but he can help the team as someone who can score and defend. They aren’t going to sit him this year to get him to 100%.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2018 7:43:56 GMT -5
Any trade deadline predictions? My guess is the Celtics do nothing today and Philly gets Evans. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Cavs made a bigish move but on the sell side. LeBron is no doubt a goner after this season.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 8, 2018 8:39:47 GMT -5
Any trade deadline predictions? My guess is the Celtics do nothing today and Philly gets Evans. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Cavs made a bigish move but on the sell side. LeBron is no doubt a goner after this season. Woj just tweeted out that he doesn't expect a lot of deals. It's doubtful that the Celtics come away with anything since Danny doesn't want to make a bad deal. Just going to have to hope that Hayward makes a return towards the playoffs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 8, 2018 10:03:04 GMT -5
I think there will be a ton of deals frankly, just smaller ones. So much depends on a few certain players and depending what happens, things could get interesting. I fully expect the Thunder and Nuggets to make trades. Now if they can't get Bradley and Evans, by all accounts there #1 targets things could get interesting. Smart could be a fall back type guy, if Danny really wants to trade him. I don't think he does.
I don't get the rumors Danny needs to trade Smart to get another first to deal. For who? Evans seems like bad value, simply because of no bird rights. Frankly I would be shocked if he traded a first for Evans. My sleeper pick would be Rodney Hood, I can see Danny dealing a first for a young guy like him. Even though Evans with his ability to create and play D might be a better fit. Hood can really shoot and score, he's athletic and he's a restricted free agent next year. If you don't keep him, I can see a team trading good value in a sign and trade for him after the season.
I am shocked teams are not offering a first round pick for players like Hood, Randle, and even Smart. Chances are you get them next year also, because few teams will have money. You get their bird rights, heck I almost think a late first is not enough for players like that.
Also why does Danny need another pick to deal this years pick? We could still maybe get the Lakers pick this year and we could get up to 4 picks next year. At some point you have too many picks and we are nearing that point. No way you can add that many young players. The value of a late first might never be higher, with so many teams not wanting to trade them, seems like a good time to deal if you can get the right player.
I think Jordan goes to the Cavs for Zizic, a first round pick and filler if they have enough filler that isn't on horrible contracts. They will make a move to make the King happy, they always do.
Final guess on Celtics is they either get Evans or bust, and I don't see how they beat other offers without adding a first round pick. We can hope other teams move on or make another deal. I don't see Danny trading two players for a guy like Belinelli, but maybe. Not sure he does much, but rumors have us interested.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 8, 2018 12:40:54 GMT -5
Reports that IT has been dealt again with Frye and the Cavs 1st for Clarkson and Nance. This is not a terrible deal for Cleveland, it looks worse than it is because their return for Kyrie has been sh*t, but advanced stats really like Clarkson. He is also signed for quite some time which eliminates that issue with the Cavs, and for the Lakers I don't know man, cap space I guess?
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 8, 2018 12:52:40 GMT -5
The Lakers just cleared space for two max contracts and got a first rounder in the process. It’s a wonderful deal for them.
The Cavs got better this year, but not enough to move the needle against Golden State. And those contracts they took on will look silly if/when LeBron bolts in FA.
They’re a clown show of an organization.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 8, 2018 13:04:15 GMT -5
Cleveland also just acquired George Hill and Rodney Hood, so their first trade now makes a lot more sense.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 8, 2018 13:25:49 GMT -5
I agree with umass that Rodney Hood would have been a good target for the Celtics and the Cavs basically got him for nothing. George Hill is also a great guy to get in a trade. This feels like a competent deadline for the Cavs, I don't like it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 8, 2018 13:28:26 GMT -5
I agree with umass that Rodney Hood would have been a good target for the Celtics and the Cavs basically got him for nothing. George Hill is also a great guy to get in a trade. This feels like a competent deadline for the Cavs, I don't like it. The Celtics couldn't of done better than Shumpert and old Joe Johnson?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2018 13:48:40 GMT -5
The Lakers just cleared space for two max contracts and got a first rounder in the process. It’s a wonderful deal for them. The Cavs got better this year, but not enough to move the needle against Golden State. And those contracts they took on will look silly if/when LeBron bolts in FA. They’re a clown show of an organization. You sure? I’m pretty certain they cannot get to two mad spots without dealing Deng... i could be wrong but their path to two max spots wasn’t that simple. Nance and Clarkson were always very tradable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2018 13:57:02 GMT -5
The Lakers just cleared space for two max contracts and got a first rounder in the process. It’s a wonderful deal for them. The Cavs got better this year, but not enough to move the needle against Golden State. And those contracts they took on will look silly if/when LeBron bolts in FA. They’re a clown show of an organization. You sure? I’m pretty certain they cannot get to two mad spots without dealing Deng... i could be wrong but their path to two max spots wasn’t that simple. Nance and Clarkson were always very tradable. They might be able to do it by stretching Dengs salary and renouncing Randle.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 8, 2018 15:10:02 GMT -5
No moves for the Celtics this trade deadline.
Hopefully the Lakers buy out Isaah so their record gets worse as the season goes along.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 8, 2018 15:11:03 GMT -5
Disappointing about Evans, I've been a fan of his since his rookie year. I learned not to question Danny though lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 8, 2018 15:13:48 GMT -5
Why didn't Evans get traded this deadline?
Just dumb if that's the case. You wasted a asset there.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2018 16:36:34 GMT -5
As Umass said, I was in favor of giving up a late 1st for Evans given that the C's are young and have a bunch of picks. Why not take a flyer on this year with Evans going into the stretch run. If the Warriors have an injury to one of their top 4 the finals are up for grabs and even if that doesn't happen the added experience the c's get by getting there and competing is invaluable. Just a thought.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 8, 2018 18:37:56 GMT -5
Every year a team looks stupid, this year it's the Grizz. You sat Evans for a week so you could trade him, then hold out till 3pm for a first round pick? Reports kept saying chances are slim, teams are really valuing those picks. Mudiay and a second was a solid offer, yet you keep him? What so you can buy him out or keep him and he helps you win games? I'm not shocked we didn't get him, but I'm shocked he wasn't traded. I don't think they have cap room and no bird rights, so chances they resign him are slim. Can't wait to hear there GM spin this one, we sat him for a week but we always wanted to keep him. I feel bad for Evans he deserved a chance to play for a playoff team. So glad we have a GREAT GM!
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 8, 2018 18:41:02 GMT -5
As Umass said, I was in favor of giving up a late 1st for Evans given that the C's are young and have a bunch of picks. Why not take a flyer on this year with Evans going into the stretch run. If the Warriors have an injury to one of their top 4 the finals are up for grabs and even if that doesn't happen the added experience the c's get by getting there and competing is invaluable. Just a thought. I would’ve been fine with trading a first for Evans, but I don’t agree with the mindset of giving up a pick because you have a bunch of them. That’s a short-sighted mindset that can come back to haunt a team - particularly since the Celts aren’t quite contenders even with Tyreke.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2018 19:02:02 GMT -5
Every year a team looks stupid, this year it's the Grizz. You sat Evans for a week so you could trade him, then hold out till 3pm for a first round pick? Reports kept saying chances are slim, teams are really valuing those picks. Mudiay and a second was a solid offer, yet you keep him? What so you can buy him out or keep him and he helps you win games? I'm not shocked we didn't get him, but I'm shocked he wasn't traded. I don't think they have cap room and no bird rights, so chances they resign him are slim. Can't wait to hear there GM spin this one, we sat him for a week but we always wanted to keep him. I feel bad for Evans he deserved a chance to play for a playoff team. So glad we have a GREAT GM! Is Mudiay a good offer when you have Connelly as your best player signed to a massive deal? Best case scenario is he develops and then you lose him basically because they don’t fit together... but how does he develop with Connelly around? Also, in this new NBA landscape he’s not getting more than midlevel money so Memphis has just as good a chance as anyone at signing him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 8, 2018 19:28:56 GMT -5
Every year a team looks stupid, this year it's the Grizz. You sat Evans for a week so you could trade him, then hold out till 3pm for a first round pick? Reports kept saying chances are slim, teams are really valuing those picks. Mudiay and a second was a solid offer, yet you keep him? What so you can buy him out or keep him and he helps you win games? I'm not shocked we didn't get him, but I'm shocked he wasn't traded. I don't think they have cap room and no bird rights, so chances they resign him are slim. Can't wait to hear there GM spin this one, we sat him for a week but we always wanted to keep him. I feel bad for Evans he deserved a chance to play for a playoff team. So glad we have a GREAT GM! Is Mudiay a good offer when you have Connelly as your best player signed to a massive deal? Best case scenario is he develops and then you lose him basically because they don’t fit together... but how does he develop with Connelly around? Also, in this new NBA landscape he’s not getting more than midlevel money so Memphis has just as good a chance as anyone at signing him. Do you like having Smart and Rozier along with Irving? You need depth and a second unit. I just don't get your thought process, after watching the Celtics do that for years. Does Connelly play 48 minutes, isn't he injured right now ? Memphis is at 104,000 million for next year, add Evans at mid level money and draft picks and they are within millions of paying the luxury tax. The team needs to rebuild, not add more long-term deals. All things being equal why would he choose that team? He did this year, because he had no other offers, that won't be the case next year. Do you really think keeping Evans is worth getting a lesser pick?
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 8, 2018 21:16:04 GMT -5
Morris going 1-8, he's the guy with the most shots in the entire team. At some point Stevens might need to tell him to shoot less or f*ck off to the bench.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 8, 2018 22:13:12 GMT -5
Morris going 1-8, he's the guy with the most shots in the entire team. At some point Stevens might need to tell him to shoot less or f*ck off to the bench. Lol, I think you did your best reverse jinx yet when it's come to Morris, Don.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 9, 2018 7:36:10 GMT -5
Is Mudiay a good offer when you have Connelly as your best player signed to a massive deal? Best case scenario is he develops and then you lose him basically because they don’t fit together... but how does he develop with Connelly around? Also, in this new NBA landscape he’s not getting more than midlevel money so Memphis has just as good a chance as anyone at signing him. Do you like having Smart and Rozier along with Irving? You need depth and a second unit. I just don't get your thought process, after watching the Celtics do that for years. Does Connelly play 48 minutes, isn't he injured right now ? Memphis is at 104,000 million for next year, add Evans at mid level money and draft picks and they are within millions of paying the luxury tax. The team needs to rebuild, not add more long-term deals. All things being equal why would he choose that team? He did this year, because he had no other offers, that won't be the case next year. Do you really think keeping Evans is worth getting a lesser pick? I probably would have traded him if I were Memphis. And yes, I understand the need for depth but Mudiay sucks; is in his 3rd year and is going to make 4.2m and over 5m the next 2 years. I can understand why Memphis wouldn’t want him. For a team like them, that money matters - even without cap space. My point about the playing time, was I feel a guy like him likely needs a more defined role with more time to have a better chance at developing. Maybe it’s a weak argument so put it aside. If Memphis agrees with me that Mudiay is a bad player and not worth the Minaj that’s not a good offer. I’d rather the Celtics or Philly offer of second round picks. I’m not sure Memphis can afford to tank. The market they are in is tough so they have to try and put as decent a product on the court as possible. They might think their best bet at getting back to a Western conference finals co tender in the next year or two is to get that high pick this year and resign Evans.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 9, 2018 9:48:27 GMT -5
If they don't want to tank then yes this years pick means everything. So they keep the one player that helps them wins games the most? Evans has my far the largest point differential on the team from when he's on court and not on court. He litterally could knock them down a few spots in the draft. Instead of getting one of the guys in the elite tier, they drop to the next tier. Playing Mudiay over Evans makes perfect sense in my book. Plus Denver offered a second round pick. Only has one year at 4.3 million, the restricted free agent. So you could trade him easily if you wanted after the year.
Mudiay is 21 years old from the Congo. He's raw, but improving. Shooting percentage, 3 point shot, efg%, and TS% have gone up for 3 straight years. He's a great athlete, that could become a great defender in time. Denver drafted him and tried to win after his rookie year. They needed a Vet to play with Harris, Murray and Barton, which makes sense. I actually think he could have been a great back up guard for the Grizz, a defensive team.
Lets be real, just like ESPN said, the Grizz GM played chicken and lost. He thought for sure a team would cave and give up a first and didn't.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 9, 2018 11:16:15 GMT -5
Lol, I think you did your best reverse jinx yet when it's come to Morris, Don. Yeah lol he had a better 2nd half, but he seriously kills the offense at times. He had a great few games earlier this season, especially on defense, but dude just needs to play smarter. He jacks too many prayers early when fools aren't even in the position to pick up an offensive rebound. When you're elite you're allowed to do that, but he's not.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 9, 2018 20:54:47 GMT -5
Celtics look tired off of that overtime win in the last game. They have nothing tonight.
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