2017-18 Celtics Season Thread

Marcus 3-12, number 3 on the team in FGA. I didn't watch the game so I have no idea how many of these were forced, but he shouldn't take more shots than Al or Tatum like ever.

 You would have been fine trading a 1st for Evans but then say the Celt's aren't quite contenders even with him? Why waste the pick then?
 I disagree on the mind set that having a bunch of assets like 1st round picks doesn't change your outlook on how to use them. It gives you the freedom to be open to doing things you might not do if you didn't have them. The Celts are very young and have a bevy of picks, they won't all make the roster so trading some will most likely need to happen to maximize their value. 
 What if Evans was a great fit and the Warriors lost 1 of their top 4 along the way? It would leave the door open to steal a championship. Or what is the value to the team in regards to experience just making it to the finals? Next year the C's could have as many as 4 1st rd picks including 2 in the lottery, their own will be a really late pick >26. So if the C's have 3 other picks before that 1 it doesn't change their outlook on how to use them and trading that last pick for a chance now isn't an option? Everything matters when making decisions.

Reports say the Celtics best offers was Yabu and two second round picks. So we wouldn't trade a late first, but were willing to give up the 16th pick from a few years ago. I just don't see the difference really. Chances are you don't get a better player. Sure you can hope on a homerun, but your hoping on something that is like 5%.

I wouldn't have given up a first for Evans, didn't think he was worth it. No bird rights being the biggest issue. Thing is Yabu shows you how quickly those picks lose value. Halfway through his rookie season and his value is like a second round pick. Frankly Danny made a very strong offer, but if you can't play young guys they lose almost all value.

I hate the baseball analogy because in Basketball if you could get a Sale it would be well worth it. Think about adding Davis. You don't worry about having to fill out a large roster like in Baseball. You don't want to just waste picks, but keeping them can mean getting Yabu, Hunter and Mickey. Basically wasted picks as it looks right now. Danny values that late first over Yabu is very telling. Also Basketball doesn't have the minor league system Baseball does that allows you to keep a crap load of young talent, develop them and gives them a way to increase their value. The D league overall is still junk. Yabu doing well in the D league does almost nothing for his value.

I also think we need to be realistic about the picks as there's a major difference in the King/Lakers pick, Grizz pick, Clippers pick and the Celtics own late round picks. At some point Danny needs to do something, or we'll just have a bunch more Yabu, Hunters, Youngs, and Mickeys. With the talent on this team, some people say it's the deepest team in the league, you can't just keep adding tons of more young talent. Maybe he's waiting on a Davis trade or something like that. Thing is he's running out of time.

76's sign Marco Belinelli. That could make them tough.

I don't know how long exactly its been, but yea i've been saying basically the same thing for a while. The Irving trade helped, but we still have too many picks to actually use all the picks without making a trade. Danny has a ton of options, but he has to do something.

I broke the picks down because a mid round pick isn't a late round pick. The chances of hitting on a player goes way down. Nevermind you need to get them playingtime. For a team that wants to win a championship over the next 3 years, you don't add like 6 first round picks in three years. Not to what we already have, heck it could be 5 picks in two years. Not even counting second round picks. So for me the big picks are the Lakers/Kings pick, the Clippers pick and the Grizz pick, I look at the Celtics picks differently. As great as Danny is at drafting he has not found a ton late in the first round and early second, but has had a lot of great picks in the middle of the first round. Just off the top of my head you are comparing KO, Rozier, Bradley, Rondo, Young, Zizic, Yabu(though I don't really count him, as he was a draft and stash guy to clear cap room) compared to Hunter, Mickey, Johnson, West, Allen, JR Giddeon. I'm sure I'm missing some, but it seems fairly clear. A late first round pick is really just a lottery ticket, more misses than hits by a big margin.

My point being with the better picks we have and all our young talent, along with the chances of a late first round pick, they aren't as valuable as people think. Heck it seems the current NBA is overvaluing them, mainly because so many teams are maxed out and need role players on the cheap. That isn't us, we have plenty of role players. Now you don't just give them away or make a trade just to make a trade. At the same time you can make a good case that trading them is a more effective use of the picks, than just using them all and hoping you get lucky.

You are correct, I was just connecting the dots. You get Evans, you have no use for Larkin. Long-term when Hayward comes back, Nader doesn't seem to have a role, Semi has already passed him. For me it was telling that the Celtics best offer included Yabu. Long-term we still have a need for a PF/small ball center that can shoot. So in my opinion rather than trade Nader, Larkin and a first, they offered Yabu and two second round picks. That tells me they value the first round pick over Yabu, which isn't a good thing for Yabu. That and he never plays, hope I'm wrong, but it's looking like he might already be a bust.

As for the G league, just look how the Celtics use it. They don't send there talented guys there, only the low level guys. Guys they normally move on from. Danny has said he prefers his young guys practice with the team even if they don't play in games over playing in the G league. The talent level just sucks overall. Look at Nader he was awesome in the G league and hasn't done anything in the NBA. Or the fact that Yabu sits on the bench, instead of playing in the G league. The G league has a long way to go, before it ever becomes a true developmental league. The two way contracts were a great idea and maybe overtime with more changes it can improve, but it has a long way to go.

Walton is a good coach, Lue isn't. Not sure about Lebron as a leader, but I do think he chases that elusive GOAT position too hard in detriment of everyone else around here. Which is pointless btw, he will never ever be Jordan.

It’s inexplicable that Baynes is coming in before Theis.

Putrid defensive effort yet again by the Celtics.

The Cavs look real good after their trades. They can now defend, shoot efficiently, and are really athletic overall.

They went from being a disaster to the biggest threat all over again.

Defense is one thing. The Celtics are turning the ball over in the second quarter at a alarming rate.

They've been the best defensive team in the NBA this year. Do you even like the Celtics?

I think NBA officials are pretty good overall, but they’re just so biased toward some players. It’s one of the things that turns casual fans away from the league.

I understand giving vets 50/50 calls, but some players operate by a completely different set of rules.