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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2018 23:15:37 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised if Wynn plays LT this year then slides to guard when Mason is gone and Garcia is ready. Or if Garcia is ready, Mason could get traded. I'd be very surprised if he played LT as anymore than a fill in type. He's short for a guard, nevermind LT. I wonder if they now flip Mason for a pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 26, 2018 23:17:34 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised if Wynn plays LT this year then slides to guard when Mason is gone and Garcia is ready. Or if Garcia is ready, Mason could get traded. I'd be very surprised if he played LT as anymore than a fill in type. He's short for a guard, nevermind LT. I wonder if they now flip Mason for a pick. I don’t expect it but it won’t surprise me either. He’s just over 6’3 right? That’s not short for a guard. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 26, 2018 23:18:59 GMT -5
He’s only an inch shorter than Matt Light was. He’s certainly short for a tackle but he’s not 6’0
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2018 23:20:48 GMT -5
Wynn is 6'2'' with short arms, Light was 6'5''
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 26, 2018 23:25:12 GMT -5
Wynn is 6'2'' with short arms, Light was 6'5'' I see 6’3 and 6’4 but regardless you are correct he’s short for a left tackle no doubt. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2018 23:36:09 GMT -5
His official combine measurements were 6'2 3/8'' with 32'' arms. He has about everything you want but the length, which is why almost everyone has him as a guard. We'll see it's a lot better pick if he can play LT. Not that it's a bad pick, he has great upside at guard. Just seems weird to pick a player that is 100% ready to back-up a really good guard in Mason. Typical really safe low risk Patriot pick in first round.
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Post by oilcan73 on Apr 27, 2018 4:26:37 GMT -5
I think BB goes with Rudolph at #43 or perhaps a CB, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him trade down 10-15 spots and grab a 4th rounder in the process. Solid 1st round. Too bad Tenn jumped up and grabbed Evans. I really like him and thought he was a great fit for their needs.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2018 5:44:00 GMT -5
I have read a lot of opinions from guys who know more than me/us that think Wynn can play LT, not ideal size but he wouldn't be the first. I like the versatility and maybe he does play LT for a year and then they move him inside if they can find somebody with more length that is capable. He only gave up 5 Qb pressures last yr in the SEC so tat is tough competition that he handled well. Overall loving the pick.
As for Michel, he could be the best back the Pats have had in years. Lewis was very good but this guy is more violent.
He and Wynn were roommates at Georgia so they must be psyched.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2018 6:54:00 GMT -5
I have read a lot of opinions from guys who know more than me/us that think Wynn can play LT, not ideal size but he wouldn't be the first. I like the versatility and maybe he does play LT for a year and then they move him inside if they can find somebody with more length that is capable. He only gave up 5 Qb pressures last yr in the SEC so tat is tough competition that he handled well. Overall loving the pick. As for Michel, he could be the best back the Pats have had in years. Lewis was very good but this guy is more violent. He and Wynn were roommates at Georgia so they must be psyched. The one thing I will say about him possibly paying tackle for a year is that while it’s not ideal neither are the other options. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2018 7:16:37 GMT -5
From Greg Bedard:
“Over recent years, the Patriots have seen a lot of a player who is similar in size to Wynn: Kelvin Beachum. Beachum entered the league in 2012 with the Steelers with the exact same measurements as Wynn (6-foot-2, 303 pounds, 33-inch arms). Now, he wasn’t a first-round pick — he went in the seventh — but by the end of the 2014 season, not only was Beachum a starting left tackle in the league, he was one of the best. Just check out the company he kept in the Pro Football Focus rankings”
Beachum tore his ACL a couple years ago and is just getting back to being a really good tackle. Just nice to see some precedence. Still doesn’t mean Wynn plays tackle but the options are limited and I find it harder to believe that they’d sit him on the bench all year than eliminate him due to his height
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2018 8:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:19:08 GMT -5
In this day and age you would think it would be easy to get correct information on players. Multiple people are reporting Wynn has 32'' arms and hence not great length along with very small hands. Yet NFL.com list him with 33 3/8'' arms which is almost equal to both Solder and Lights 33 1/2'' arms and Beachums 33 1/4'' arms. If that's true he has the tools to play OT, as arm length is more important than height in my opinion. You need to be able to get your hands on speedy edge rusher turning the corner.
It explains Conor Williams dropping as he's listed as having 32'' arms. The NFL minimum is basically 33'' and above for OTs. Still weird they don't do things like wingspan, you would think that would be a useful tool when judging OTs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:22:06 GMT -5
Michel is a lot bigger than Lewis. As long as he doesn’t get hurt and or fumble he’s going to be explosive. He’s a legit playmaker. He's a legit playmaker with very good production over 4 years. His one issue is 12 fumbles in his College career though. Which knowing Bill is a little surprising. Hope they can fix that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:39:23 GMT -5
I think BB goes with Rudolph at #43 or perhaps a CB, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him trade down 10-15 spots and grab a 4th rounder in the process. Solid 1st round. Too bad Tenn jumped up and grabbed Evans. I really like him and thought he was a great fit for their needs. Per Nick Caserio it was Wynn all along. Which makes sense they did private workouts with all the other top OTs and were never linked to Wynn. Typical Patriots way. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:41:39 GMT -5
I think Kolton Miller is a poor fit for the Patriots current needs. He's a long term high upside prospect due to his athleticism but he's easily the most raw option for LT among the top 2 round guys. The Patriots already have a quality developmental tackle option in Garcia, and while they could use more depth at tackle their actual "need" is in the form of a 2018 starting caliber LT, and by almost all accounts Miller is not that guy by September. If Wynn slips to #23 I wonder if Bill would play him at LT for a year before kicking him inside to replace Shaq Mason, who will inevitably get paid a lot more money next offseason than Bill would pay. This draft, more than any I can remember, is not about landing players at positions of top immediate need...it's simply about landing the best football players for this system over the next 4-5 seasons. The Patriots roster is going to turn over in a big way very soon. I understand why fans look at immediate need, but for most positions the rookie year contributions will be the least productive season from these draft picks. The team can't afford to take lesser players just because their position matches up with the current depth chart. I count QB, RB, WR, TE, OT, OG, DE, DT, LB, CB, S as spots that could be a big need by the next draft, and since Bill drafts more for year two contributions than year one I could see any of those position being selected in the first round if the right player is on the board (although Ridley is the only guy I could see them picking in the 1st as a WR, and I don't think any RB's/TE's will be worth it). My linebacker target is Fred Warner (most likely at #43), or Leighton Vander Esch if his medicals check out. Just wanted to give you credit as maybe the only person to actually predict the Patriots pick. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2018 11:47:12 GMT -5
As long as he doesn’t get hurt and or fumble he’s going to be explosive. He’s a legit playmaker. He's a legit playmaker with very good production over 4 years. His one issue is 12 fumbles in his College career though. Which knowing Bill is a little surprising. Hope they can fix that. He on had 2 each year the last 3... still significant but his freshman year does skew the numbers a bit. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2018 11:50:22 GMT -5
Options, Bill loves options. If he passes a physical maybe they deal Mason. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:56:58 GMT -5
Options, Bill loves options. If he passes a physical maybe they deal Mason. He's a right OT though, so I wonder what they plan on doing with him. Man OT depth is now crazy, we have to have more OT than any other team in the league. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2018 11:59:11 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2018 12:00:21 GMT -5
Options, Bill loves options. If he passes a physical maybe they deal Mason. He's a right OT though, so I wonder what they plan on doing with him. Man OT depth is now crazy, we have to have more OT than any other team in the league. Could simply be Cannon depth. He’s been injured enough that with LT how it is you can’t afford him to be out without a replacement. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2018 12:07:57 GMT -5
Gotta protect the 41 year old franchise.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2018 12:15:01 GMT -5
Probably won't cost much and could be a great pickup. Dante will make him better and maybe he can flip to the left side. Lots of options, lots of competition is good. In Dante I trust. |
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Post by doctorduck21 on Apr 27, 2018 12:17:05 GMT -5
As a 49ers fan, I can tell you guys that Brown is very good in pass protection but below average in run blocking. He's coming back from a torn labrum.
However we drafted a tackle and traded him because he does have major question marks. The injury and he needs to keep his weight in check. He played at 340 or so but I've read from a few different places that he was up close to 400 when he showed up for the offseason program.
Whether that is true or not, I don't know. But you're getting a guy with a ton of potential
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2018 12:18:38 GMT -5
Will the racist tweets cost Allen today? Maybe but they shouldn’t. They are from 6 years ago and some dumb high school kid. Would he have gone higher than 7? |
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