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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 13:30:46 GMT -5
Not really we needed a coverage LBer and he's an old school ILB run stuffer, just like Roberts. Belichick doesn't use coverage backers. Never has, never will. I think he's right too. Myles Jack looks awesome when he's breaking up passes while covering tight ends. Pat Chung looks like, well, a safety. No one highlights Jack getting swallowed up by tight ends on running plays. But that's the cost of playing "coverage backers" One he dropped a ton of weight to run that 40 time, at 246 at pro day. Played at 255 to 260 during season. Second the Patriot certainly use different players for coverage, lately they've just used 3 safeties instead of a LBer. Roberts was never used on sure fire coverage plays. |
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Post by cwblue10 on Apr 28, 2018 13:59:08 GMT -5
Belichick doesn't use coverage backers. Never has, never will. I think he's right too. Myles Jack looks awesome when he's breaking up passes while covering tight ends. Pat Chung looks like, well, a safety. No one highlights Jack getting swallowed up by tight ends on running plays. But that's the cost of playing "coverage backers" One he dropped a ton of weight to run that 40 time, at 246 at pro day. Played at 255 to 260 during season. Second the Patriot certainly use different players for coverage, lately they've just used 3 safeties instead of a LBer. Roberts was never used on sure fire coverage plays. Well at that rate, Bentley could drop another 20 lbs, run a 4.45 and you'd have your coverage linebacker (aka a safety who tries to run around blocks in the box). If you read my original comment, you'll notice I mentioned that instead of using coverage backers, NE just uses a third safety in anyway. Belichick doesn't play coverage backers. When NE had the uberathletic Jamie Collins, He got torched for big touchdowns in key games. The "coverage backer" that the Patriots "need" is typically a glorified safety who gets mauled in the running game. If Belichick followed conventional draftnik wisdom, NE would never have a shot at competing because they would be drafting for "coverage backers" and "no. 1 wideouts" just like the rest of the league..but 20 picks after the rest of the league. Instead Belichick drafts players like Bentley who, though completely overlooked in the age of "coverage backers," will eventually play 40% of the defensive snaps and help shore up a rush defense that was a sieve in the Super Bowl. But if Chicago wants to use Roquan Smith on Rob Gronkowski in coverage, be my guest. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:16:18 GMT -5
One he dropped a ton of weight to run that 40 time, at 246 at pro day. Played at 255 to 260 during season. Second the Patriot certainly use different players for coverage, lately they've just used 3 safeties instead of a LBer. Roberts was never used on sure fire coverage plays. Well at that rate, Bentley could drop another 20 lbs, run a 4.45 and you'd have your coverage linebacker (aka a safety who tries to run around blocks in the box). If you read my original comment, you'll notice I mentioned that instead of using coverage backers, NE just uses a third safety in anyway. Belichick doesn't play coverage backers. When NE had the uberathletic Jamie Collins, He got torched for big touchdowns in key games. The "coverage backer" that the Patriots "need" is typically a glorified safety who gets mauled in the running game. If Belichick followed conventional draftnik wisdom, NE would never have a shot at competing because they would be drafting for "coverage backers" and "no. 1 wideouts" just like the rest of the league..but 20 picks after the rest of the league. Instead Belichick drafts players like Bentley who, though completely overlooked in the age of "coverage backers," will eventually play 40% of the defensive snaps and help shore up a rush defense that was a sieve in the Super Bowl. But if Chicago wants to use Roquan Smith on Rob Gronkowski in coverage, be my guest. I would be fine if they got another safety. Right now if you lose a safty to injury you're in trouble. I don't agree you don't need a coverage LB because of Collins. He was great, but would do too much free lancing and thus gave up big plays. You just need a smarter Jamie Collins type player. They offered him a big contract for a reason, when he played smart within the system he was special. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 28, 2018 14:18:17 GMT -5
This Bentley kid already looks like a steal. Reportedly ran mid 4.6 at his pro day. Played at 255 lbs. Seems really intelligent from the interviews on YouTube. He also would have been a steal in the 7th round or as an UDFA. Huge reach, but this is what the Pats do. They may as well just trade all of their picks. |
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Post by cwblue10 on Apr 28, 2018 14:19:42 GMT -5
This Bentley kid already looks like a steal. Reportedly ran mid 4.6 at his pro day. Played at 255 lbs. Seems really intelligent from the interviews on YouTube. He also would have been a steal in the 7th round or as an UDFA. Huge reach, but this is what the Pats do. They may as well just trade all of their picks. Absolutely. That's why they trade out as much as possible. Their board is one which fits their system. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:26:53 GMT -5
As Bill gets older he seems to take almost no riskier type players, which in a way I get. Just late in draft, why not roll the dice? Chances are they don't make the team, so I'd like at least one upside guy that might have a red flag. A guy like DeShon Elliott, but they won't take him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 14:30:35 GMT -5
This Bentley kid already looks like a steal. Reportedly ran mid 4.6 at his pro day. Played at 255 lbs. Seems really intelligent from the interviews on YouTube. He also would have been a steal in the 7th round or as an UDFA. Huge reach, but this is what the Pats do. They may as well just trade all of their picks. He was drafted in the 5th round... that’s no longer reach territory - it’s draft who you want territory |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 14:31:42 GMT -5
As Bill gets older he seems to take almost no riskier type players, which in a way I get. Just late in draft, why not roll the dice? Chances are they don't make the team, so I'd like at least one upside guy that might have a red flag. A guy like DeShon Elliott, but they won't take him. I agree but Bill would rather take useful guys who can fill a specific role than take a guy who might not be able to do anything at all. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 14:32:13 GMT -5
Cowboy took Mike White... oh well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:34:38 GMT -5
Top of the 5th round for a guy almost everyone had not being drafted is a reach, not a huge mistake, but still a huge reach.
Come on Duke Ejiofor makes so much sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 14:38:27 GMT -5
Top of the 5th round for a guy almost everyone had not being drafted is a reach, not a huge mistake, but still a huge reach. Come on Duke Ejiofor makes so much sense. For the Texans |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:38:41 GMT -5
Come on, one pick before us.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:40:05 GMT -5
Yes, finally a player I wanted!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:40:53 GMT -5
Christian Sam is a great value pick and fills a need. Love it.
Pro Football Weekly draft guide had him rated as a 1st to 2nd round prospect. A true 3 down LB that can play the run and pass. Entered the draft process late, so that likely hurt him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 14:48:29 GMT -5
Seems like they are higher on him than others. Most see a backup LB who’s a MIKE backer. We will see. Seems like he plays faster than he tests.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 14:52:32 GMT -5
Seems like they are higher on him than others. Most see a backup LB who’s a MIKE backer. We will see. Seems like he plays faster than he tests. Exactly his tape is better than his numbers at combine, like Josey Jewell. The draft Mags are before the combine, so it's all based on his college tape. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 15:31:59 GMT -5
I'm shocked WR Equanimeous St. Brown and RB Josh Adams are still available. Not really a need, but great value. Still got Luke Falk and a bunch of other QBs sitting there.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 15:39:01 GMT -5
Ok they just traded down for two more 7th rounders. Interesting.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 28, 2018 15:40:26 GMT -5
Very. I will never fully understand their draft logic.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 15:47:21 GMT -5
I guess its a good thing, they must have players they are targeting. Just a big change from past years with very few picks. I was expecting a future draft pick when they made the trade.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 16:44:09 GMT -5
We got our next QB!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 28, 2018 16:46:04 GMT -5
All those QBs and they wind up with Danny Etling?! Really hope Brady stays healthy for a long time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2018 16:52:15 GMT -5
There were like 8 guys that were very interesting, he wasn't one of them. Heck he was never mentioned at all. Which is saying something given he played at LSU with a ton of talent.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 16:55:17 GMT -5
Berrios is such a Patriot pick
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2018 16:56:13 GMT -5
There were like 8 guys that were very interesting, he wasn't one of them. Heck he was never mentioned at all. Which is saying something given he played at LSU with a ton of talent. LSU hasn’t been that great lately and they were a running team. I don’t expect anything but I also have never seen the kid throw. |
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