2018 Boston Celtics offseason

The Celtics will be tax payers just maybe not this season.

The non taxpayer MLE is projected to be under 9m. They can give that to Marcus if Baynes is at 5.2 and they deal Morris.no?

Side note: Wanamaker was a one year vet minimum from what I heard.

I just don't see them being a tax paying team this year. I would be really shocked if they started that one year early, given the numbers the Warriors face. I was running the math to see if a long-term Smart deal would stop them next year. Cap is rumored to go way up next year,  would account for most of Irvings increase. Those picks would be a huge problem, along with having to move on from so many players.  I'd have to get more information, and take a guess on which picks they get. Highly unlikely, but you have to at least think about it. Yes they will he a tax team, but they will wait as long as they can before they are one.

Yea like I said, no Morris and you can go to 10 plus million depending how close you want to go to the line. With Morris you can't match a full mid-level deal without going over. I don't see how you can do a 12 to 15 million a year deal this year without going over. I like Smart, but are you starting the tax early for him? I wouldn't do it for Smart, this year.

No I’m not starting the tax early. In my earlier post, I tried to say if they got him for one year this year at his QO then I would be fine with a 12-15m contract next because I made an assumption they are a tax paying team next year no matter what. (Assuming a Kyrie max extension)

Based on those projections that would be an extra 20 million dollar player at the same time Tatum needs to be signed.

Ingram alone would be an amazing return for the Spurs, getting Kuzma on top of that would be almost evil.

If they are truly talking trade with Lakers again than they didn't get any other good offers. So they don't really have much choice. I wouldn't give that up for Leonard, it guts that team. I might offer Ingram and Kuzma but I would make the Spurs take Deng so I could keep Randle.

Reports say the Celtics made an offer, but the only one I've seen that makes any sense doesn't make any sense. That was Smart sign and trade, Morris, Yabu, Semi, Nader and Rozier. Plus a pick I'm sure, that just makes zero sense. Takes away all your guard depth and Irving insurance to get another wing.

Trading Hayward makes sense, but would be a PR nightmare and might mean you can't get anymore free agents to sign here. Maybe Irving?

Frankly I just don't see how a Leonard trade makes sense for us.

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I don't think keeping the core together has ever been a question, it's the role players like Smart, Rozier and Baynes types. The tax hits a rate of $2.50 for every dollar over after 3 years. Meaning Smart even at 10 million a year, would cost you 35 million. 25 million in tax, 10 million in salary. Even in the first years it's $1.50 per dollar over. So as early as next year, Smart at even 10 million, could cost you 25 million total.

Using that chart you provided Brown would be able to earn over 28 million on a max level deal. If he doesn't look like a future max guy to you I don't know what to tell you. He sure does to me after watching the playoffs. He's exactly the type of young high upside guy teams target on deep teams hoping they can pry him away. Think Porter on the Wiz, yet Brown is way a head of him already in his development. What do you think you'll get him to sign for?

Embiids deal is 5 years 146.5 million and could reach 178 million with incentives. They put in an out clause due to his injuries that only puts them on the hook for 84 million if he gets injured again. Which is what you must be thinking about.

As RJP pointed out the NBA CBA is crazy, just when you figure it out after years of learning the rules, they change it.

A player coming off his rookie deal can get 3 types of max deals. A max 4 year deal as a restricted free agent, a full 5 year max from his team or a 5 year max under the Rose exception. The Rose exception is like the super max but for younger players getting their 2nd contracts. Allows you to increase the final year from 25% to 30% if the players are truly elite. The other big difference is the raises per year you can give a player you resign versus as a free agent. It's why Porters deal looks small compared to Embiids. Porter was signed to an offer sheet, Embiid was resigned by the team. You can save money that way, but it upsets the players. The Jazz did it with Hayward and some think its why he left.

I don't think it hurts Tatum or Brown. Like you said it should make them crazy efficient and teams know talent. Players like Harden and Porter got max deals after being buried on deep teams. Most teams lock up players like that as soon as they can. We can hope we get some hometown discounts, but I wouldn't expect it. Players like LeBron and Paul have spent their entire careers helping make sure that doesn't happen. We now have a generation thats all about making every last cent and having as much power as possible.

Why? Hayward to Pacers rumor because we have to trade someone ?