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2018 Boston Celtics offseason
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2018 2:49:02 GMT -5
Basically, you sign Smart before the draft unless the market gets stupid and then deal Rozier.
If you lose both, you could probably find a suitable backup PG on the open market.
I'm not worried about the backup PG in general. The only reason why I love Smart so much is because of the versatility. The backup PG is his best role, but it isn't his only role.
If it takes 14-17 million to sign Smart, I'm in. If not then start gambling. Deal Rozier and find a replacement elsewhere.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 30, 2018 5:47:46 GMT -5
At first glance I would say no to Smart at 14-17 but on second thought it could happen in the short run. The C's keep a player who definitely improves there chances of winning a championship now while also being able to trade him once the cap gets too tight. Only risk is he digresses and you are stuck with the contract, that is very unlikely.
So you could trade Rozier and be very confident Smart was staying because you know you are willing to match.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 6:42:20 GMT -5
Basically, you sign Smart before the draft unless the market gets stupid and then deal Rozier. If you lose both, you could probably find a suitable backup PG on the open market. I'm not worried about the backup PG in general. The only reason why I love Smart so much is because of the versatility. The backup PG is his best role, but it isn't his only role. If it takes 14-17 million to sign Smart, I'm in. If not then start gambling. Deal Rozier and find a replacement elsewhere. NBA Free Agency starts after the draft and there is no way Smart signs before that unless he and Boston compromise on something like a 2 year deal (say something like 2/28) which can make sense for Marcus because he only is guaranteed 1 and 6 under the QO, is susceptible to injury and in 2 years all those terrible contracts from the TV money expire. It can make sense for the Celtics too as the timing of it expiring isn’t so bad and buys them some extra time. Thats if they are going to trade Rozier. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 6:44:06 GMT -5
Is the situation with Smart/Rozier going to come down to timing? In an ideal world you would trade Rozier for a quality pick in this year's draft and sign Smart on the cheap afterward, but a lot of unlikely things would have to fall into place for that to happen. If you could finalize Smart's status with the team before dealing Rozier that would be ideal. However, if they want to trade Rozier for a pick in this year's draft they'll likely have to do so without truly knowing Smart's fate. Smart could come back on a cheaper deal if he doesn't draw any interest as a RFA, but that's the only way he comes back and for a team that has championship aspirations it seems risky to first trade Roizer and then leave Smart's status on the team up to chance. It would seem safer to let Smart walk and keep Rozier even though there is, theoretically, a more optimal solution. Great points and thanks fro joining the discussion. I think they are ok with letting Marcus go test the market and then most likely getting him back at 6m. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 6:48:44 GMT -5
Woj projected the Celtics to draft Donte DiVencenzo with their pick. He’d be a great get but my guess is by draft time he’s taken much higher.
Lonnie Walker would be an interesting trade up guy. Would you trade Rozier to a team in the high teens to take him? The Clippers have 2 picks at 12 and 13. How about Rozier for one of those picks to take Walker? I think I could be all over that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 9:43:22 GMT -5
Basically, you sign Smart before the draft unless the market gets stupid and then deal Rozier. If you lose both, you could probably find a suitable backup PG on the open market. I'm not worried about the backup PG in general. The only reason why I love Smart so much is because of the versatility. The backup PG is his best role, but it isn't his only role. If it takes 14-17 million to sign Smart, I'm in. If not then start gambling. Deal Rozier and find a replacement elsewhere. NBA Free Agency starts after the draft and there is no way Smart signs before that unless he and Boston compromise on something like a 2 year deal (say something like 2/28) which can make sense for Marcus because he only is guaranteed 1 and 6 under the QO, is susceptible to injury and in 2 years all those terrible contracts from the TV money expire. It can make sense for the Celtics too as the timing of it expiring isn’t so bad and buys them some extra time. Thats if they are going to trade Rozier. He just balked when asked about his value maybe being around 12-14 million, said its closer to 20 million. He might take that in the long run, but I don't see him signing anything before the draft and he gets his chance to try and get teams to pay him. Unless your talking about 4 years and 60 million plus and thats crazy. Remember his agent is Noels agent and he turned down 70 million because he wanted max money. Last year Andre Roberson signed for 3 years 30 million. He's just like Smart a very good defensive player that is limited on offense. RJP this isn't just directed at you, but everyone talking about Smart in that 14-17 million range. Why is Smart worth that much? Teams can be stupid, see the Knicks paying Tim Hardaway Jr. 70 million last year as a restricted free agent. I've always liked keeping Smart at the right price, but at those numbers you might be able to get Rozier to sign an extension. Does Rozier turn down 4 years 70 million? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 10:00:20 GMT -5
Woj projected the Celtics to draft Donte DiVencenzo with their pick. He’d be a great get but my guess is by draft time he’s taken much higher. Lonnie Walker would be an interesting trade up guy. Would you trade Rozier to a team in the high teens to take him? The Clippers have 2 picks at 12 and 13. How about Rozier for one of those picks to take Walker? I think I could be all over that. I really like DiVencenzo, but agree he goes a lot higher. He might be close to late lottery by draft time. Walker has a bunch of upside, but I see a bunch of James Young in his game. So I wouldn't do that trade to take him. At the same time there are a bunch of players in that range that interest me. Guys like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges, and Robert Williams. All high level athletes that fit our system. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 11:05:25 GMT -5
NBA Free Agency starts after the draft and there is no way Smart signs before that unless he and Boston compromise on something like a 2 year deal (say something like 2/28) which can make sense for Marcus because he only is guaranteed 1 and 6 under the QO, is susceptible to injury and in 2 years all those terrible contracts from the TV money expire. It can make sense for the Celtics too as the timing of it expiring isn’t so bad and buys them some extra time. Thats if they are going to trade Rozier. He just balked when asked about his value maybe being around 12-14 million, said its closer to 20 million. He might take that in the long run, but I don't see him signing anything before the draft and he gets his chance to try and get teams to pay him. Unless your talking about 4 years and 60 million plus and thats crazy. Remember his agent is Noels agent and he turned down 70 million because he wanted max money. Last year Andre Roberson signed for 3 years 30 million. He's just like Smart a very good defensive player that is limited on offense. RJP this isn't just directed at you, but everyone talking about Smart in that 14-17 million range. Why is Smart worth that much? Teams can be stupid, see the Knicks paying Tim Hardaway Jr. 70 million last year as a restricted free agent. I've always liked keeping Smart at the right price, but at those numbers you might be able to get Rozier to sign an extension. Does Rozier turn down 4 years 70 million? I don’t think Smart should make more than the MLE, I’ve been on record saying this multiple times. But just because that’s what I think he’s worth doesn’t mean I won’t talk about other possibilities of what could happen. Also, I don’t care if the Celtics over pay a bit to keep one of their players as long as it doesn’t affect other signings by virtue of them willing to pay high tax bills. So if they signed Smart for over the MLE slot I wouldn’t hate it but I’d think it was an over pay. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 11:10:00 GMT -5
Woj projected the Celtics to draft Donte DiVencenzo with their pick. He’d be a great get but my guess is by draft time he’s taken much higher. Lonnie Walker would be an interesting trade up guy. Would you trade Rozier to a team in the high teens to take him? The Clippers have 2 picks at 12 and 13. How about Rozier for one of those picks to take Walker? I think I could be all over that. I really like DiVencenzo, but agree he goes a lot higher. He might be close to late lottery by draft time. Walker has a bunch of upside, but I see a bunch of James Young in his game. So I wouldn't do that trade to take him. At the same time there are a bunch of players in that range that interest me. Guys like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges, and Robert Williams. All high level athletes that fit our system. Walker reminds me of my Donovan Mitchell infatuation before last draft. Different players but I’m really falling in love with his game. I need to see more on his measurables. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 11:11:23 GMT -5
New rumor is that the Celtics want to trade up for Mo Bamba.
Would probably take this years pick, Sac pick and Memphis pick plus a player. Maybe Rozier.... i can’t see them trading Brown...
I wouldn’t be a fan of that.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 30, 2018 11:50:27 GMT -5
New rumor is that the Celtics want to trade up for Mo Bamba. Would probably take this years pick, Sac pick and Memphis pick plus a player. Maybe Rozier.... i can’t see them trading Brown... I wouldn’t be a fan of that. You're not a fan of the pieces we'd give up or you're not a fan of the player? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 11:58:01 GMT -5
He just balked when asked about his value maybe being around 12-14 million, said its closer to 20 million. He might take that in the long run, but I don't see him signing anything before the draft and he gets his chance to try and get teams to pay him. Unless your talking about 4 years and 60 million plus and thats crazy. Remember his agent is Noels agent and he turned down 70 million because he wanted max money. Last year Andre Roberson signed for 3 years 30 million. He's just like Smart a very good defensive player that is limited on offense. RJP this isn't just directed at you, but everyone talking about Smart in that 14-17 million range. Why is Smart worth that much? Teams can be stupid, see the Knicks paying Tim Hardaway Jr. 70 million last year as a restricted free agent. I've always liked keeping Smart at the right price, but at those numbers you might be able to get Rozier to sign an extension. Does Rozier turn down 4 years 70 million? I don’t think Smart should make more than the MLE, I’ve been on record saying this multiple times. But just because that’s what I think he’s worth doesn’t mean I won’t talk about other possibilities of what could happen. Also, I don’t care if the Celtics over pay a bit to keep one of their players as long as it doesn’t affect other signings by virtue of them willing to pay high tax bills. So if they signed Smart for over the MLE slot I wouldn’t hate it but I’d think it was an over pay. Yea I think every move has to be done while thinking about the tax down the road. I look at this year as a capped year, can't go over the luxury tax line of like 123 million. Even paying Smart his 6 million will make that hard, but it can be done. Smart at 14 to 17 million means your 100% going over. Comparing Smart at 10 million to 17 million 3 years down the road is a huge difference. That extra 7 million will be close to 20 million in extra taxes. That's why I think Morris might be traded, just to make sure we can stay under the tax line this year. Even waiting one year on paying the tax could be worth 10's of millions down the road. It could also mean no Nader and trading Yabu. All depends and Smart and his Salary are one of the bigger variables. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 12:01:13 GMT -5
I really like DiVencenzo, but agree he goes a lot higher. He might be close to late lottery by draft time. Walker has a bunch of upside, but I see a bunch of James Young in his game. So I wouldn't do that trade to take him. At the same time there are a bunch of players in that range that interest me. Guys like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges, and Robert Williams. All high level athletes that fit our system. Walker reminds me of my Donovan Mitchell infatuation before last draft. Different players but I’m really falling in love with his game. I need to see more on his measurables. Walker is 6'4.5'' 6'10.25'' wingspan 195 pounds 31.5 standing vert and 40'' max vert |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 12:07:40 GMT -5
New rumor is that the Celtics want to trade up for Mo Bamba. Would probably take this years pick, Sac pick and Memphis pick plus a player. Maybe Rozier.... i can’t see them trading Brown... I wouldn’t be a fan of that. You're not a fan of the pieces we'd give up or you're not a fan of the player? Pieces - that’s a lot for that player in my opinion but I do Trust Danny |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 12:08:38 GMT -5
Walker reminds me of my Donovan Mitchell infatuation before last draft. Different players but I’m really falling in love with his game. I need to see more on his measurables. Walker is 6'4.5'' 6'10.25'' wingspan 195 pounds 31.5 standing vert and 40'' max vert Love it... he’s so explosive and can shoot it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 12:12:34 GMT -5
New rumor is that the Celtics want to trade up for Mo Bamba. Would probably take this years pick, Sac pick and Memphis pick plus a player. Maybe Rozier.... i can’t see them trading Brown... I wouldn’t be a fan of that. All depends where he's going to be drafted, but if thats what it takes heck no! I really like Bamba but that is a ton, the Kings and Memphis picks are highly valuable and so is Rozier. If you assume he's worth a lottery pick at minimum, that most likely is 3 lottery picks and a late first. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 30, 2018 12:13:30 GMT -5
Pieces - that’s a lot for that player in my opinion but I do Trust Danny Yeah that's a steep price but it makes sense when you consider the salary cap. Baynes is going to be more expensive, Rozier is getting VERY expensive really soon and Bamba would be under control for a few more years while theoretically having a higher upside than Baynes. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 12:35:40 GMT -5
Pieces - that’s a lot for that player in my opinion but I do Trust Danny Yeah that's a steep price but it makes sense when you consider the salary cap. Baynes is going to be more expensive, Rozier is getting VERY expensive really soon and Bamba would be under control for a few more years while theoretically having a higher upside than Baynes. You make a trade like that, you better think his upside is waaay higher than Baynes. Like one of the better centers in the league. If you believe in his offensive game that could make sense. You better be right though because that basically blows every major future asset you have. Just not sure why it would cost that much. Rozier, Kings pick, and our first rounder. Heck if you really wanted to go crazy add the Clippers pick. You could also just trade Rozier for a pick and get Robert Williams, then still have 2 more lottery picks and another first rounder. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2018 13:32:07 GMT -5
Pieces - that’s a lot for that player in my opinion but I do Trust Danny Yeah that's a steep price but it makes sense when you consider the salary cap. Baynes is going to be more expensive, Rozier is getting VERY expensive really soon and Bamba would be under control for a few more years while theoretically having a higher upside than Baynes. You can argue the opposite - trade Rozier for a future first and then using the picks we have on firsts is better for the cap than trading them all and only having one cost controlled guy |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2018 16:12:48 GMT -5
I have to say Josh Okogie SG Georgia Tech is growing on me. 6'4.5'' 7' wingspan, 213 pounds, 33'' vert and 42'' max vert. He can shoot it, gets to the rim and can guard 3 positions just like Smart. He's only 19.7 years old even after playing two years of College ball. I like that he's well built, 213 pounds already, unlike other guys that are 190 pounds.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 30, 2018 16:37:38 GMT -5
I really like DiVencenzo, but agree he goes a lot higher. He might be close to late lottery by draft time. Walker has a bunch of upside, but I see a bunch of James Young in his game. So I wouldn't do that trade to take him. At the same time there are a bunch of players in that range that interest me. Guys like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges, and Robert Williams. All high level athletes that fit our system. . Different players but I’m really falling in love with his game. I need to see more on his measurables. Sweet namedrop! |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 30, 2018 17:27:34 GMT -5
Pieces - that’s a lot for that player in my opinion but I do Trust Danny Yeah that's a steep price but it makes sense when you consider the salary cap. Baynes is going to be more expensive, Rozier is getting VERY expensive really soon and Bamba would be under control for a few more years while theoretically having a higher upside than Baynes. Theoretically having a higher upside than Baynes. Hahahaha!! I'm sorry but Bamba is going to be a defensive force in the NBA with some offensive upside, he will most likely be better than Baynes as a rookie. Having said that I wouldn't give up both the Sac and Memphis pick in a trade, I would give up Rozier our 1st and the Sac pick but that probably wouldn't get it done. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 30, 2018 18:11:13 GMT -5
Theoretically having a higher upside than Baynes. Hahahaha!! I'm sorry but Bamba is going to be a defensive force in the NBA with some offensive upside, he will most likely be better than Baynes as a rookie. Having said that I wouldn't give up both the Sac and Memphis pick in a trade, I would give up Rozier our 1st and the Sac pick but that probably wouldn't get it done. Baynes is one of the best defensive bigs in the league. Bamba hasn't played a single NBA minute. Tempering expectations is always good prior to the draft. You can argue the opposite - trade Rozier for a future first and then using the picks we have on firsts is better for the cap than trading them all and only having one cost controlled guy Yeah, you could do that. However the Celtics are VERY close to a title and if they believe they need another elite piece rather than several good ones, you have to do it. You could always sign ring chasing veterans for the minimum. You make a trade like that, you better think his upside is waaay higher than Baynes. Like one of the better centers in the league. If you believe in his offensive game that could make sense. You better be right though because that basically blows every major future asset you have. Just not sure why it would cost that much. Rozier, Kings pick, and our first rounder. Heck if you really wanted to go crazy add the Clippers pick. You could also just trade Rozier for a pick and get Robert Williams, then still have 2 more lottery picks and another first rounder. Do they need that many lottery picks though? Playing time could be getting limited really soon for any of them to develop properly. Hot take here I've seen on reddit and I have to agree: they don't want Bamba. They want someone else who could be a top 5 pick. Danny is smoke-screening this sucker so he can take Jackson/Carter/Porter. I mean, Wendell Carter has been compared to Al Horford a lot. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 30, 2018 18:31:57 GMT -5
This team is reaching a point where they're going to have too many assets and nowhere to put anyone. They got Kyrie and Hayward coming back next year. I'm sure there will be other moves and on top of that, you have 4 potential 1st round picks next year. If there was ever a time to consolidate picks.....now is that time.
Maybe we can trade for the Memphis pick....and offer them....a Memphis pick.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 30, 2018 18:58:26 GMT -5
Count me in on the Mo Bamba train. There's just too much potential there that could end up really putting this team over the top.
The guy is a projected top 5 top 7 pick in a loaded draft. He'd be a top 3 pick in the last couple drafts. He's 7'1" with a 7'10 wingspan. You just can't teach that. That's like a baseball prospect who can sit at 100 MPH or hit a ball 490 feet, you just can't teach that.
He's going to be a Monster on defense and has offensive upside. If his offensive game was more polished he'd be in the conversation for #1 but the Celtics don't need a scorer at all. Bamba has the potential to be a rebounding, blocking machine in the NBA who can shoot 3's.
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