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2018 Boston Celtics offseason
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 9, 2018 12:01:00 GMT -5
Kyrie has talked long-term with the Celtics multiple times in the past. Not really worried at all. The Celtics aren't going to completely remodel their team for a 33 year old LeBron anyways, so we have 2 non stories here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 9, 2018 14:06:35 GMT -5
I don’t know why Kyrie would say he’s definitely staying here and as much as we’d like the stock “I love it here, I don’t see any reason I wouldn’t be here long term, but right now my focus is on next year not the contract” answer. You’re not going to get that with Kyrie. The NBA structures these contracts so it makes less sense for him sign now than letting his deal expire. So this is what you get with star players. Most of the time they stay if their team is good and set up well. KD is the one guy who left a decent situation but he went to a better one. Kyrie will be hard pressed to find a better one on the court so I am not too worried about him leaving. The Knicks? Give me a break... The one Caveat to this (sorry about to break my own rule), is if the Celtics bring in LeBron. If LeBron comes it’s only WITH Kyrie here and with his blessing. The only conceivable way to do it money wise is by LeBron opting in and us trading them Hayward and Morris for LeBron. They cannot clear enough space by trading Kyrie. They could trade Horford instead if Hayward, but that’s not going to happen. So if LeBron came, with Kyrie’s blessing, Kyrie could decide to bolt after the year. Then so could LeBron and you’ve already traded Hayward. LeBron comes wins a title and guts the team. Dun dun dun.. Is it possible that the Celtics plan on keeping Rozier and Smart because what Ainge really wants to do is flip Kyrie for Ayton or Bamba? That's not happening. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 10, 2018 7:03:05 GMT -5
Now the media is going to run as far as possible on the Kyrie comment about being present and not thinking about Boston long term. Not trying to start a debate on it as it seems too logical being one of the top players in the league at 26 that he will get the max and stay but anything is possible with trader Dan. In retrospect it was genius of him to move IT when he did last year and a lot of people were mad about that. IT wanting the brinks truck to backup was a problem and getting rid of that problem along with getting Kyrie, genius. As was the trades involving Pierce, Garnett, Rondo and acquiring IT for pennys on the dollar. Those are some pretty impressive trade results and they don't even include the deals that created the first Big 3. GM's must be leery when he calls, they should be. I don’t know why Kyrie would say he’s definitely staying here and as much as we’d like the stock “I love it here, I don’t see any reason I wouldn’t be here long term, but right now my focus is on next year not the contract” answer. You’re not going to get that with Kyrie. The NBA structures these contracts so it makes less sense for him sign now than letting his deal expire. So this is what you get with star players. Most of the time they stay if their team is good and set up well. KD is the one guy who left a decent situation but he went to a better one. Kyrie will be hard pressed to find a better one on the court so I am not too worried about him leaving. The Knicks? Give me a break... The one Caveat to this (sorry about to break my own rule), is if the Celtics bring in LeBron. If LeBron comes it’s only WITH Kyrie here and with his blessing. The only conceivable way to do it money wise is by LeBron opting in and us trading them Hayward and Morris for LeBron. They cannot clear enough space by trading Kyrie. They could trade Horford instead if Hayward, but that’s not going to happen. So if LeBron came, with Kyrie’s blessing, Kyrie could decide to bolt after the year. Then so could LeBron and you’ve already traded Hayward. LeBron comes wins a title and guts the team. Dun dun dun.. I had all the same thoughts and totally agree with all of that in regards to Kyrie which is what my first sentence alluded to. I also agree on the Lebron thing, although I think he ends up in LA and the chances he ends up in Boston are slim. If you keep Brown and Tatum along with another lottery pick I don't think you gut the team and there will always be vets willing to come play for the min to win a championship, of which there would be a few. bleacherreport.com/articles/2760790 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 10, 2018 12:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 10, 2018 14:20:45 GMT -5
Now the media is going to run as far as possible on the Kyrie comment about being present and not thinking about Boston long term. Not trying to start a debate on it as it seems too logical being one of the top players in the league at 26 that he will get the max and stay but anything is possible with trader Dan. In retrospect it was genius of him to move IT when he did last year and a lot of people were mad about that. IT wanting the brinks truck to backup was a problem and getting rid of that problem along with getting Kyrie, genius. As was the trades involving Pierce, Garnett, Rondo and acquiring IT for pennys on the dollar. Those are some pretty impressive trade results and they don't even include the deals that created the first Big 3. GM's must be leery when he calls, they should be. I don’t know why Kyrie would say he’s definitely staying here and as much as we’d like the stock “I love it here, I don’t see any reason I wouldn’t be here long term, but right now my focus is on next year not the contract” answer. You’re not going to get that with Kyrie. The NBA structures these contracts so it makes less sense for him sign now than letting his deal expire. So this is what you get with star players. Most of the time they stay if their team is good and set up well. KD is the one guy who left a decent situation but he went to a better one. Kyrie will be hard pressed to find a better one on the court so I am not too worried about him leaving. The Knicks? Give me a break... The one Caveat to this (sorry about to break my own rule), is if the Celtics bring in LeBron. If LeBron comes it’s only WITH Kyrie here and with his blessing. The only conceivable way to do it money wise is by LeBron opting in and us trading them Hayward and Morris for LeBron. They cannot clear enough space by trading Kyrie. They could trade Horford instead if Hayward, but that’s not going to happen. So if LeBron came, with Kyrie’s blessing, Kyrie could decide to bolt after the year. Then so could LeBron and you’ve already traded Hayward. LeBron comes wins a title and guts the team. Dun dun dun.. Just wanted to add that I don't think its the NBA structure that makes guys wait till they are free agents to sign. These players want power and options. Also the cap going crazy has meant they could be turning down a lot of money. For example some people predict we'll see close to a 10 million spike in 2019. So over 5 years thats like 20 to 25 million less compared to this year. I'm a little skeptical because for two years thry've been a lot lower than people predicted. If I'm Danny I offer Irving a 4 year max extension right now. He'll most likely get an opt out after 3 years. That would make him a free agent again after his age 29 season. Sure he'd be leaving a little on the table, he'd also get one less year, but he gets security after an injury also. How he reacts would shape my offseason plan. If he won't even talk about it, then I'd be worried. I wouldn't think of moving Rozier then. If he won't sign it doesn't mean he won't, I'd just like to see how he reacts to it. Plus even if he declines it will get you brownie points with him. If he really wants to be here at minimum he should think about it long and hard. I have to laugh at the Knicks rumors. Sounds like Pierce saying he'd love to play in LA. Which he did, at the end of his career. Kyrie wants to be the man on a title winning team, not a team that loses in the first round. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 10, 2018 17:25:38 GMT -5
I don’t know why Kyrie would say he’s definitely staying here and as much as we’d like the stock “I love it here, I don’t see any reason I wouldn’t be here long term, but right now my focus is on next year not the contract” answer. You’re not going to get that with Kyrie. The NBA structures these contracts so it makes less sense for him sign now than letting his deal expire. So this is what you get with star players. Most of the time they stay if their team is good and set up well. KD is the one guy who left a decent situation but he went to a better one. Kyrie will be hard pressed to find a better one on the court so I am not too worried about him leaving. The Knicks? Give me a break... The one Caveat to this (sorry about to break my own rule), is if the Celtics bring in LeBron. If LeBron comes it’s only WITH Kyrie here and with his blessing. The only conceivable way to do it money wise is by LeBron opting in and us trading them Hayward and Morris for LeBron. They cannot clear enough space by trading Kyrie. They could trade Horford instead if Hayward, but that’s not going to happen. So if LeBron came, with Kyrie’s blessing, Kyrie could decide to bolt after the year. Then so could LeBron and you’ve already traded Hayward. LeBron comes wins a title and guts the team. Dun dun dun.. Just wanted to add that I don't think its the NBA structure that makes guys wait till they are free agents to sign. These players want power and options. Also the cap going crazy has meant they could be turning down a lot of money. For example some people predict we'll see close to a 10 million spike in 2019. So over 5 years thats like 20 to 25 million less compared to this year. I'm a little skeptical because for two years thry've been a lot lower than people predicted. If I'm Danny I offer Irving a 4 year max extension right now. He'll most likely get an opt out after 3 years. That would make him a free agent again after his age 29 season. Sure he'd be leaving a little on the table, he'd also get one less year, but he gets security after an injury also. How he reacts would shape my offseason plan. If he won't even talk about it, then I'd be worried. I wouldn't think of moving Rozier then. If he won't sign it doesn't mean he won't, I'd just like to see how he reacts to it. Plus even if he declines it will get you brownie points with him. If he really wants to be here at minimum he should think about it long and hard. I have to laugh at the Knicks rumors. Sounds like Pierce saying he'd love to play in LA. Which he did, at the end of his career. Kyrie wants to be the man on a title winning team, not a team that loses in the first round. I agree I’d offer Kyrie the max this year but it’s a pretty simple proposition and I’m not sure how much you can garner. He’s a max guy - the max money is known so there’s no negotiation. All Danny is going to do is talk to the agent and the agent will say no he wants to wait to sign next year. Kyrie already took his “security” extension. Now it’s just max out your earnings. In a weird way I would be more concerned if he signed this year because he was worried about his knee. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 11, 2018 6:51:57 GMT -5
This is a good write up. Smart and Baynes are such wild cards with how their salaries will go. It’s a good point that, Baynes turned down more money last year to find a better role. What is not clear is if he was surprised he got less or if he was expecting to get less. It’s also a good point that he signed here with Hayward and Kyrie healthy so them coming back and his role changing from last season, isn’t necessarily a major deterrence as it was the situation he expected coming in. It seems like he wants to stay, and I think he’d probably take less to be here but if someone comes in at 10m are you going to match that? They could if they let Smart walk or if they trade Morris without taking back any guaranteed money. Not sure they should but he would be a major loss and hard to replace considering their salary situation. You can argue he’s more important to the 2018-19 team than Smart. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 11, 2018 7:35:25 GMT -5
So this is subject to change 20 more times but... this team is at a compelling spot, as they need to balance taking advantage of the opportunity to win a title next year with setting themselves up for a longterm run. So these are my goals if I’m Danny:
1. Hoard as much of the talent that you currently have. (Duh)
2. Avoid the luxury tax and avoid being hard capped.
So here’s my plan:
1. Keep Rozier unless you are bowled over. Not with a project pick, but with a guy you move. Like for me, besides the big 6 (including Porter in that) that would be Lonnie Walker IV or Wendell Carter. Whoever it is, Danny needs to be sure about is my point. This team cannot go into the 2019 season without Kyrie and Rozier so Danny NEEDS to make sure one or both are around. It’s an expensive insurance policy to keep around, BUT we have so many draft picks still coming that you likely can’t keep them all so the cost is worth it in my opinion. I fully expect Kyrie to resign, but it’s Kyrie he’s a space cadet - free spirit - the wind my start blowing in a different direction.
2. Resign Baynes and Smart. Even though their roles will be smaller next year, they are so important to certain situations defensively that even if the regular season will look almost the same without them, the dimension they add for matchups is huge, especially in the playoffs.
3. Trade Morris ONLY if you need to create space to not be hard capped with resigning the other two. Remember we are loading up as much as possible. With everyone healthy, there aren’t enough minutes for what he deserves but injuries happen - rest is needed and this is a special team so even if everyone is healthy then he will suck it up as a competitor and play his smaller role for a year. But for all the reasons above, I’d trade him if it meant keeping Baynes and Smart.
4. Best player available who’s read(ish) to make a role at 27 or draft and stash. Don’t draft a true project at 27, the team doesn’t have the playing time a guy who’s super raw would need. In other words, I want a guy who has an NBA skill with a higher floor who is more likely to be a rotational guy than the swing for the fences. Great teams need cheap role players and that’s all you should be trying to get this deep in the draft if you are the Celtics. Or you draft and stash to save the money. Two guys jump out at me for that spot.
A) Dzanan Musa (Wing) 19 years old - very good shooter and overall scorer. Can stash him for a year or 2.
B) Elie Okobo (PG France). 20
Years old 6’3” - 27 is probably a little over draft, but he’s a very good shooter has 3 point range and gets into the paint. 6’8” wing span and a good athlete so defensive potential is there.
Stashing a guy for a year when you might have 4 first round picks next season is questionable but it’s all about the money. I’d rather not do that, but you may have to.
5. Just get healthy for training camp.
I’d love to see this entire group return (minus guys like Monroe), if they can do it and stay under the tax. Not only is it talented but continuity in the NBA can go along way and even thought Hayward will be like adding a new guy; the team at least knows him. Will be fun to watch.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 11, 2018 10:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 11, 2018 12:09:23 GMT -5
This is a good write up. Smart and Baynes are such wild cards with how their salaries will go. It’s a good point that, Baynes turned down more money last year to find a better role. What is not clear is if he was surprised he got less or if he was expecting to get less. It’s also a good point that he signed here with Hayward and Kyrie healthy so them coming back and his role changing from last season, isn’t necessarily a major deterrence as it was the situation he expected coming in. It seems like he wants to stay, and I think he’d probably take less to be here but if someone comes in at 10m are you going to match that? They could if they let Smart walk or if they trade Morris without taking back any guaranteed money. Not sure they should but he would be a major loss and hard to replace considering their salary situation. You can argue he’s more important to the 2018-19 team than Smart. 10 million for how long? Full mid-level for 4 years, nope. I really want a two year deal, might go three, won't touch four years. Not at his age. He's hard because he hasn't made a ton in his career. So if someone goes full on stupid, he's gone. Yea he might turn down a few million to play for a contender, but I don't see him turning down 10's of millions, nor should he. I offer him 2-3 years starting at the 5.2 million using his non-bird rights. If your keeping Rozier Baynes is clearly more important, but he's going into his age 32 season also. The minute he loses a step his value will tank. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 11, 2018 12:51:18 GMT -5
So this is subject to change 20 more times but... this team is at a compelling spot, as they need to balance taking advantage of the opportunity to win a title next year with setting themselves up for a longterm run. So these are my goals if I’m Danny: 1. Hoard as much of the talent that you currently have. (Duh) 2. Avoid the luxury tax and avoid being hard capped. So here’s my plan: 1. Keep Rozier unless you are bowled over. Not with a project pick, but with a guy you move. Like for me, besides the big 6 (including Porter in that) that would be Lonnie Walker IV or Wendell Carter. Whoever it is, Danny needs to be sure about is my point. This team cannot go into the 2019 season without Kyrie and Rozier so Danny NEEDS to make sure one or both are around. It’s an expensive insurance policy to keep around, BUT we have so many draft picks still coming that you likely can’t keep them all so the cost is worth it in my opinion. I fully expect Kyrie to resign, but it’s Kyrie he’s a space cadet - free spirit - the wind my start blowing in a different direction. 2. Resign Baynes and Smart. Even though their roles will be smaller next year, they are so important to certain situations defensively that even if the regular season will look almost the same without them, the dimension they add for matchups is huge, especially in the playoffs. 3. Trade Morris ONLY if you need to create space to not be hard capped with resigning the other two. Remember we are loading up as much as possible. With everyone healthy, there aren’t enough minutes for what he deserves but injuries happen - rest is needed and this is a special team so even if everyone is healthy then he will suck it up as a competitor and play his smaller role for a year. But for all the reasons above, I’d trade him if it meant keeping Baynes and Smart. 4. Best player available who’s read(ish) to make a role at 27 or draft and stash. Don’t draft a true project at 27, the team doesn’t have the playing time a guy who’s super raw would need. In other words, I want a guy who has an NBA skill with a higher floor who is more likely to be a rotational guy than the swing for the fences. Great teams need cheap role players and that’s all you should be trying to get this deep in the draft if you are the Celtics. Or you draft and stash to save the money. Two guys jump out at me for that spot. A) Dzanan Musa (Wing) 19 years old - very good shooter and overall scorer. Can stash him for a year or 2. B) Elie Okobo (PG France). 20 Years old 6’3” - 27 is probably a little over draft, but he’s a very good shooter has 3 point range and gets into the paint. 6’8” wing span and a good athlete so defensive potential is there. Stashing a guy for a year when you might have 4 first round picks next season is questionable but it’s all about the money. I’d rather not do that, but you may have to. 5. Just get healthy for training camp. I’d love to see this entire group return (minus guys like Monroe), if they can do it and stay under the tax. Not only is it talented but continuity in the NBA can go along way and even thought Hayward will be like adding a new guy; the team at least knows him. Will be fun to watch. I still trade Morris unless you think Smart is gone. No way I want those two on my second unit just chucking up shots. I can live with one of them, but not both. The more I think about it, Danny will keep him till after free agency. Waiting to see if he needs him to make a trade for a big if Baynes leaves. Just not crazy about Morris killing our offense. He's great when he's on, but kills you when he's not. Takes way too many hard fade away jumpers. He's a much better fit on a team that really needs offensive play makers. This team doesn't. I want Irving, Horford, Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Rozier taking those shots. For us he'd be better if he just played D and took 3s, but he never saw a shot he didn't like. I also like Semi, want him to get minutes and time to improve. He just fits this team better. If you keep both Smart and Rozier, Morris has to go. Litterally has to go. Were talking about the 10th man on the roster here. Plus it opens a spot for you to bring in someone else for less money. You are going to be able to get very good players on the cheap this year. Turn him into a draft pick, a future draft pick or a big. Its like what I talked about with Rozier, he just won't get enough minutes for there to be much of a difference between him and Semi. Always take the best player. I don't see us needing to draft an international guy this year, not for the little he'll cost. Now next year depending on what happens is another story. I also wouldn't by pass a raw player if you really liked him. Stevens has shown with Rozier that he can develop players that hardly play at first. Just take a player that fits our system. Those two international guys don't seem like great fits. They aren't great athletes, which limits there defensive upside. If you can't play D, good luck getting minutes on this stacked team anytime in the future. Yet Semi showed even if you can't score, very good D will get you playing time. So many options in this draft that perfectly fit our system. Then a bunch of wildcards. The more I research the draft, the more names I come up with Divicenzo, Okogie, Thomas, Frazier, Alkins, Duval, Brown. Even guys like Melton and Milton make sense. Then you look at bigs like Robinson and Spellman. Such a crazy draft that after the top 15 picks or so, you just have no clue who is going where. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 11, 2018 17:13:02 GMT -5
So this is subject to change 20 more times but... this team is at a compelling spot, as they need to balance taking advantage of the opportunity to win a title next year with setting themselves up for a longterm run. So these are my goals if I’m Danny: 1. Hoard as much of the talent that you currently have. (Duh) 2. Avoid the luxury tax and avoid being hard capped. So here’s my plan: 1. Keep Rozier unless you are bowled over. Not with a project pick, but with a guy you move. Like for me, besides the big 6 (including Porter in that) that would be Lonnie Walker IV or Wendell Carter. Whoever it is, Danny needs to be sure about is my point. This team cannot go into the 2019 season without Kyrie and Rozier so Danny NEEDS to make sure one or both are around. It’s an expensive insurance policy to keep around, BUT we have so many draft picks still coming that you likely can’t keep them all so the cost is worth it in my opinion. I fully expect Kyrie to resign, but it’s Kyrie he’s a space cadet - free spirit - the wind my start blowing in a different direction. 2. Resign Baynes and Smart. Even though their roles will be smaller next year, they are so important to certain situations defensively that even if the regular season will look almost the same without them, the dimension they add for matchups is huge, especially in the playoffs. 3. Trade Morris ONLY if you need to create space to not be hard capped with resigning the other two. Remember we are loading up as much as possible. With everyone healthy, there aren’t enough minutes for what he deserves but injuries happen - rest is needed and this is a special team so even if everyone is healthy then he will suck it up as a competitor and play his smaller role for a year. But for all the reasons above, I’d trade him if it meant keeping Baynes and Smart. 4. Best player available who’s read(ish) to make a role at 27 or draft and stash. Don’t draft a true project at 27, the team doesn’t have the playing time a guy who’s super raw would need. In other words, I want a guy who has an NBA skill with a higher floor who is more likely to be a rotational guy than the swing for the fences. Great teams need cheap role players and that’s all you should be trying to get this deep in the draft if you are the Celtics. Or you draft and stash to save the money. Two guys jump out at me for that spot. A) Dzanan Musa (Wing) 19 years old - very good shooter and overall scorer. Can stash him for a year or 2. B) Elie Okobo (PG France). 20 Years old 6’3” - 27 is probably a little over draft, but he’s a very good shooter has 3 point range and gets into the paint. 6’8” wing span and a good athlete so defensive potential is there. Stashing a guy for a year when you might have 4 first round picks next season is questionable but it’s all about the money. I’d rather not do that, but you may have to. 5. Just get healthy for training camp. I’d love to see this entire group return (minus guys like Monroe), if they can do it and stay under the tax. Not only is it talented but continuity in the NBA can go along way and even thought Hayward will be like adding a new guy; the team at least knows him. Will be fun to watch. I still trade Morris unless you think Smart is gone. No way I want those two on my second unit just chucking up shots. I can live with one of them, but not both. The more I think about it, Danny will keep him till after free agency. Waiting to see if he needs him to make a trade for a big if Baynes leaves. Just not crazy about Morris killing our offense. He's great when he's on, but kills you when he's not. Takes way too many hard fade away jumpers. He's a much better fit on a team that really needs offensive play makers. This team doesn't. I want Irving, Horford, Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Rozier taking those shots. For us he'd be better if he just played D and took 3s, but he never saw a shot he didn't like. I also like Semi, want him to get minutes and time to improve. He just fits this team better. If you keep both Smart and Rozier, Morris has to go. Litterally has to go. Were talking about the 10th man on the roster here. Plus it opens a spot for you to bring in someone else for less money. You are going to be able to get very good players on the cheap this year. Turn him into a draft pick, a future draft pick or a big. Its like what I talked about with Rozier, he just won't get enough minutes for there to be much of a difference between him and Semi. Always take the best player. I don't see us needing to draft an international guy this year, not for the little he'll cost. Now next year depending on what happens is another story. I also wouldn't by pass a raw player if you really liked him. Stevens has shown with Rozier that he can develop players that hardly play at first. Just take a player that fits our system. Those two international guys don't seem like great fits. They aren't great athletes, which limits there defensive upside. If you can't play D, good luck getting minutes on this stacked team anytime in the future. Yet Semi showed even if you can't score, very good D will get you playing time. So many options in this draft that perfectly fit our system. Then a bunch of wildcards. The more I research the draft, the more names I come up with Divicenzo, Okogie, Thomas, Frazier, Alkins, Duval, Brown. Even guys like Melton and Milton make sense. Then you look at bigs like Robinson and Spellman. Such a crazy draft that after the top 15 picks or so, you just have no clue who is going where. Rozier had an NBA skill (defense) coming in and he was strong and athletic. I would avoid raw like Fab Melo and JaJuan Johnson raw. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2018 10:42:49 GMT -5
That is two interesting players you choose as examples. Melo was raw, only real NBA skill was blocking shots. Johnson wasn't even close to raw. He just struggled with going from the man in College to role player in NBA. He's actually had a very good career in the Euro League averaging 15.7 points and 7 rebounds over the last 5 years.
I still wouldn't have a problem with Robinson if he's a hard worker, even though he's one of the rawest players in the draft. Almost no chance because he has a promise from someone and won't workout for teams. So it would be going off his high school scouting. Still he was 9th in his class, Carter was 7th, Jackson 6th, Bamba 4th and Ayton 3rd. It's also why I really want a second round pick to go after a guy like McCoy. We need to add some developmental bigs that are athletic unlike Yabu. This draft has a ton of them, but they are mostly top of first round or second round. You take the best player at 27, but we can afford to gamble in the second. Wonder if Philly will trade us or sell us a second round pick. No way they can use all four, along with two first rounders.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 12, 2018 11:52:33 GMT -5
That is two interesting players you choose as examples. Melo was raw, only real NBA skill was blocking shots. Johnson wasn't even close to raw. He just struggled with going from the man in College to role player in NBA. He's actually had a very good career in the Euro League averaging 15.7 points and 7 rebounds over the last 5 years. I still wouldn't have a problem with Robinson if he's a hard worker, even though he's one of the rawest players in the draft. Almost no chance because he has a promise from someone and won't workout for teams. So it would be going off his high school scouting. Still he was 9th in his class, Carter was 7th, Jackson 6th, Bamba 4th and Ayton 3rd. It's also why I really want a second round pick to go after a guy like McCoy. We need to add some developmental bigs that are athletic unlike Yabu. This draft has a ton of them, but they are mostly top of first round or second round. You take the best player at 27, but we can afford to gamble in the second. Wonder if Philly will trade us or sell us a second round pick. No way they can use all four, along with two first rounders. I’m not saying it means they can’t get one and use it but the issue with a second round pick is you have to use the MLE money to sign him because they are over the cap. It may actually work out for that to happen this year if they are intent on not paying the tax but it’s a consideration. I’ve heard some rumors they’d like a second round pick. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2018 12:56:20 GMT -5
You can sign second round picks to deals using the minimum salary exception or two way contracts. It just limits the deal to 2 years. Which I wouldn't worry about if were talking a late second round pick. The player won't get enough minutes the first few years to become Gilbert Arenas.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 13, 2018 8:22:20 GMT -5
From what I understand it is really important to not go over the cap this year as they have a 3 year window to do so and want to start that the year after when the real contracts start being signed. So they can and they will stay under the cap.
For me it is an easy decision to make in trading Morris, not a huge fan and I doubt he will enjoy playing 15 minutes a game next year. Not to start up the whole Rozier thing again but how close does a Rozier, Morris and some picks get you in the lottery?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 13, 2018 9:23:04 GMT -5
I hope to sign Dewayne Dedmon as MLE. He is clearly better than Baynes.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2018 11:51:14 GMT -5
I hope to sign Dewayne Dedmon as MLE. He is clearly better than Baynes. He’d have to opt out of the final year of his contract that’s for more money than he’d get next year at the MLE the Celtics can offer. It could happen for various reasons but he’s not a free agent, yet. Unless, he’s opted out |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2018 14:47:29 GMT -5
From what I understand it is really important to not go over the cap this year as they have a 3 year window to do so and want to start that the year after when the real contracts start being signed. So they can and they will stay under the cap. For me it is an easy decision to make in trading Morris, not a huge fan and I doubt he will enjoy playing 15 minutes a game next year. Not to start up the whole Rozier thing again but how close does a Rozier, Morris and some picks get you in the lottery? How close to what target? The problem is the teams that could use him, are either late in lottery, our direct competition or not ready to compete. I'm about 95% convinced Denver would trade pick 14 and likely more for Rozier. He's a perfect fit for them. Maybe the Clippers if they truly don't want to rebuild. The Cavs make sense if they want to try and convince LeBron to stay, but do you really want to help them? Add Irvings comments lately, being 100% non-committal. Not what you really want to hear. He might be forcing Danny to keep Rozier as insurance. Also Danny has said he wants to keep Rozier. So for me, the question is what can you get for Morris? Do you trade him now or wait? Get a draft pick or go after a player? Portland looks like the perfect fit. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2018 14:51:50 GMT -5
I hope to sign Dewayne Dedmon as MLE. He is clearly better than Baynes. He’d have to opt out of the final year of his contract that’s for more money than he’d get next year at the MLE the Celtics can offer. It could happen for various reasons but he’s not a free agent, yet. Unless, he’s opted out We could use either mid-level exception this year. Were not a taxing paying team, so we can use the non-tax paying full mid-level exception. It just hard caps us, but if you believe we won't go over tax line I don't see the issue. Trade Morris and you should have plenty of room. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2018 15:49:55 GMT -5
He’d have to opt out of the final year of his contract that’s for more money than he’d get next year at the MLE the Celtics can offer. It could happen for various reasons but he’s not a free agent, yet. Unless, he’s opted out We could use either mid-level exception this year. Were not a taxing paying team, so we can use the non-tax paying full mid-level exception. It just hard caps us, but if you believe we won't go over tax line I don't see the issue. Trade Morris and you should have plenty of room. Yes, if you clear salary you can use either. Very true. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2018 15:53:56 GMT -5
From what I understand it is really important to not go over the cap this year as they have a 3 year window to do so and want to start that the year after when the real contracts start being signed. So they can and they will stay under the cap. For me it is an easy decision to make in trading Morris, not a huge fan and I doubt he will enjoy playing 15 minutes a game next year. Not to start up the whole Rozier thing again but how close does a Rozier, Morris and some picks get you in the lottery? How close to what target? The problem is the teams that could use him, are either late in lottery, our direct competition or not ready to compete. I'm about 95% convinced Denver would trade pick 14 and likely more for Rozier. He's a perfect fit for them. Maybe the Clippers if they truly don't want to rebuild. The Cavs make sense if they want to try and convince LeBron to stay, but do you really want to help them? Add Irvings comments lately, being 100% non-committal. Not what you really want to hear. He might be forcing Danny to keep Rozier as insurance. Also Danny has said he wants to keep Rozier. So for me, the question is what can you get for Morris? Do you trade him now or wait? Get a draft pick or go after a player? Portland looks like the perfect fit. I really don’t understand why people are upset about Kyrie’s comments. I watched the video; he was fine. Spoke the truth, makes no sense financially to entertain and extension right now. Exactly what I said before. It doesn’t, he’s a max guy and already signed his financial security extension. He’d leave 10s of millions on the table by signing now. He spoke incredibly highly of his teammates and the front office. Said he was appreciating of them keeping him informed and involved. What’s he supposed to say? “I 100% am going to sign again with the Celtics.” |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2018 16:46:46 GMT -5
How close to what target? The problem is the teams that could use him, are either late in lottery, our direct competition or not ready to compete. I'm about 95% convinced Denver would trade pick 14 and likely more for Rozier. He's a perfect fit for them. Maybe the Clippers if they truly don't want to rebuild. The Cavs make sense if they want to try and convince LeBron to stay, but do you really want to help them? Add Irvings comments lately, being 100% non-committal. Not what you really want to hear. He might be forcing Danny to keep Rozier as insurance. Also Danny has said he wants to keep Rozier. So for me, the question is what can you get for Morris? Do you trade him now or wait? Get a draft pick or go after a player? Portland looks like the perfect fit. I really don’t understand why people are upset about Kyrie’s comments. I watched the video; he was fine. Spoke the truth, makes no sense financially to entertain and extension right now. Exactly what I said before. It doesn’t, he’s a max guy and already signed his financial security extension. He’d leave 10s of millions on the table by signing now. He spoke incredibly highly of his teammates and the front office. Said he was appreciating of them keeping him informed and involved. What’s he supposed to say? “I 100% am going to sign again with the Celtics.” That is the NBA mistake. Doing all these things to make sure teams have an advantage resigning players, yet forgetting to account for massive cap spikes. He should be eligible to sign a 4 year max extension right now or at least fairly close to it. Heck he could have if not for the massive spike in the salary cap. I missed that part he can only sign for 105% of his current deal, not 30% of the cap. Which is dumb and made worse because the cap is almost 40 million higher than when he signed. NBA needs to fix that or at least account for it if we are going to see more massive spikes. So yea he won't turn down over 80 million. I was thinking it would be a fraction of that. Would I want 100%? Sure why not? I don't expect it, but it would be nice. Frankly why wouldn't he? We didn't even get the I want to be here long-term but we'll see what happens normal line though from the report I've seen. Given all the current reports about him leaving I would have liked to seen a little more. Doesn't mean he's leaving, but it didn't do anything to discredit the reports either. He wants to keep his options open, which isn't a great thing. Its the LeBron way and its stupid. If Danny has to keep Rozier for insurance and then let him leave Irving is having a negative impact. I'm not surprised its the new way in the NBA mainly because of LeBron, but I hate it. Its all about the player and getting as much leverage as possible, even if it hurts the team. LeBron litterally destroyed the Cavs twice now. Always worrying about him leaving, so every move was best chance now. Not building for the future and the best way to have a great team for a decade, not 3-4 year spurts. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 13, 2018 18:51:31 GMT -5
Let's say DA does love Bamba -- here's an interesting trade scenario for you amateur GMs to dissect:
Bos trades LAC future #1 pick + Bos 2018 #1 to LAC for 2018 #1 (#13 overall);
then:
Bos trades Memphis future #1 + Bos 2018 #1 (#13 overall) to Memphis for 2018 #1 (#4 overall).
Rationale:
1) I expect both Memphis & LA would pay a slight premium to have their own picks returned safely to them -- call it the "embarrassment factor." GM's that give away high lottery picks: turn off their fan base; get unemployed. Plus they now are free to rebuild/retool, or full on tank, as they see fit.
2) The deals can be sweetened with a player or pick, if needed. The future LA pick might prove very valuable so I think for LA moving from late lottery to late 1st, is fair value. And they keep pick #12. Likely it would be considered a savvy draft day deal for them.
Memphis is taking the bigger drop, from 4 to 13, and likely would require more compensation. So give them more.
What say -- Bamba or bust?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2018 21:01:33 GMT -5
I do agree whole heartedly I’d like him to to say he wants to be here etc, but to be fair this is Kyrie Irving. He can’t even commit to the earth being round. He’s a very odd guy but he is very cerebral. Not saying he’s some genius but he’s philosophical or fancies himself to be. The reality is it makes no sense for him to sign and he gains nothing by publicly stating he wants to be here long term. He can’t even think he gains job security because the last point guard who talked about wanting to be a Celtic long term got traded for him. So why do it?
He’s going to be hard pressed to find a better situation than here so ultimately, he will likely play the free agent game, get courted and go on the visits, even if it’s for no other reason than to experience that. Doesn’t he seem like a dude who wants to experience different things? But the Celtics can pay him more than anyone else and will in all likelihood be the best on court situation for him. Normally guys don’t leave that situation, especially when the front office talks to him openly and consistently like he says the Celtics do about the team and what’s going on. That part may be the most important part because they treat him like the team leader he wants to be treated like.
Of course, maybe Danny deals him this offseason. Nothing shocks me. Although, if he traded Hayward that would shock me. They can’t though - they courted him as a free agent / Kyrie they traded for.
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