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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 8:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 8:27:57 GMT -5
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alnipper
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Post by alnipper on Jun 7, 2018 9:14:47 GMT -5
Always keep in mind that guys will say they are going to college as leverage. The Sox offer the player a 4 year "scholarship" and 250k for example, and a person may change their mind.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 7, 2018 9:16:24 GMT -5
I may edit my original post through the end of the day today. (I usually don't publish it until 24 hours after the draft when more info is available, but I had to get it out yesterday for scheduling reasons). From there I will edit via a new post once or twice a week until the end of the signing period. Thank you Mike! Plus information comes in so much faster than 10 years ago. |
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 7, 2018 9:47:52 GMT -5
Always keep in mind that guys will say they are going to college as leverage. The Sox offer the player a 4 year "scholarship" and 250k for example, and a person may change their mind. I always wondered about this, are teams allowed to offer college tuition as an added bonus that doesn’t count against the draft cap? |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 7, 2018 10:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Jun 7, 2018 10:07:53 GMT -5
Always keep in mind that guys will say they are going to college as leverage. The Sox offer the player a 4 year "scholarship" and 250k for example, and a person may change their mind. I always wondered about this, are teams allowed to offer college tuition as an added bonus that doesn’t count against the draft cap? Yes. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 7, 2018 11:27:11 GMT -5
Hey Mike, what is it about Shugart that makes you anticipate he'll need more than the 125k to sign? Thanks for all the great work.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jun 7, 2018 11:51:24 GMT -5
Hey Mike, what is it about Shugart that makes you anticipate he'll need more than the 125k to sign? Thanks for all the great work. He was ranked in the top 300 by BA and has leverage as a college junior. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 7, 2018 12:00:20 GMT -5
Hey Mike, what is it about Shugart that makes you anticipate he'll need more than the 125k to sign? Thanks for all the great work. He was ranked in the top 300 by BA and has leverage as a college junior. Cottam was near the top 300 in both BA and PG rankings and Mike has him signing for well below slot, so I don't think you can look at year in school and rankings and apply it to each player the same way. |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -5
I think this was reported at some point on Day 3, but just so we have it here: Thad Ward |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2018 13:13:28 GMT -5
He was ranked in the top 300 by BA and has leverage as a college junior. Cottam was near the top 300 in both BA and PG rankings and Mike has him signing for well below slot, so I don't think you can look at year in school and rankings and apply it to each player the same way. High school kids are hard, they have the most leverage and some just want to go to College even if offered a million plus. College guys are a little easier. Does the player feel returning to College will increase his value? The guys that feel that way can take overslot to sign. Look at Dalbec and Shawaryn, they took overslot because at one time they were considered maybe first round picks that had down years. Cottam is the opposite of Dalbec and Shawaryn he just had his breakout year and was drafted almost 200 picks above his highest ranking. At the same time I don't see Chase Shugart costing much more than $125,000 in my opinion. He's a tiny pitcher that has never really had great numbers, but might cost a little extra because he's on a great team. Just remember while Mike does a great job putting that list together, it was just his best guess right after the draft before he had a lot of time to go over each player in depth. As he updates it, you'll start to get a clearer picture. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 13:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 7, 2018 13:39:19 GMT -5
A junior returning to college seems like such a bluff... frankly teams should be able to sign college kids but let them finish out college (NHL model?)... do top seniors really have more leverage than they did as juniors? The example is Appel, but is that a rule?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 7, 2018 14:13:15 GMT -5
They definitely say he's going to bypass his commitment, but is that confirmed or speculation on their part? If it was the former, you'd think we would be hearing it from other sources as well. I'd imagine the Sox felt they at least have a good chance at signing him if they took him at 11. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 7, 2018 15:08:13 GMT -5
I think he's signing y'all
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 15:27:59 GMT -5
They definitely say he's going to bypass his commitment, but is that confirmed or speculation on their part? If it was the former, you'd think we would be hearing it from other sources as well. I'd imagine the Sox felt they at least have a good chance at signing him if they took him at 11. It's probably true, but I'd prefer for the player to say it. These local papers can get details about the draft incorrectly - sometimes not even understanding that HS players can choose between college and a pro deal. Also, as has been said before, sometimes a player thinks he has a deal during or just after the draft but hasn't had further discussions with the Red Sox. Ultimately, I don't take that as confirmation that he is in fact signing (but he is probably going to sign). |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 7, 2018 16:15:44 GMT -5
They definitely say he's going to bypass his commitment, but is that confirmed or speculation on their part? If it was the former, you'd think we would be hearing it from other sources as well. I'd imagine the Sox felt they at least have a good chance at signing him if they took him at 11. It's probably true, but I'd prefer for the player to say it. These local papers can get details about the draft incorrectly - sometimes not even understanding that HS players can choose between college and a pro deal. Also, as has been said before, sometimes a player thinks he has a deal during or just after the draft but hasn't had further discussions with the Red Sox. Ultimately, I don't take that as confirmation that he is in fact signing (but he is probably going to sign). That........completely makes sense. |
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2018 16:30:36 GMT -5
I think he's signing y'all Ummmmm. He needs to get his social media pressure under control. I get that he is an 18 high school kid, but still... |
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 7, 2018 16:37:05 GMT -5
I think he's signing y'all Ummmmm. He needs to get his social media pressure under control. I get that he is an 18 high school kid, but still... I don’t know if I agree with that take. The kid just got drafted by the Boston Red Sox. That’s worth one hell of a celebration. Just need to keep in under control. They may be professionals, but they’re still human. They’re allowed to party and have fun and enjoy themselves. Just stay in control. |
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2018 17:51:30 GMT -5
Ummmmm. He needs to get his social media pressure under control. I get that he is an 18 high school kid, but still... I don’t know if I agree with that take. The kid just got drafted by the Boston Red Sox. That’s worth one hell of a celebration. Just need to keep in under control. They may be professionals, but they’re still human. They’re allowed to party and have fun and enjoy themselves. Just stay in control. I’m fine with him celebrating. Nor do I particularly care how he celebrates. I just prefer he not put it on social media. Social media is usually a bad idea if you are an athlete, unless you have someone else running the account. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 17:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2018 18:01:08 GMT -5
I don’t know if I agree with that take. The kid just got drafted by the Boston Red Sox. That’s worth one hell of a celebration. Just need to keep in under control. They may be professionals, but they’re still human. They’re allowed to party and have fun and enjoy themselves. Just stay in control. I’m fine with him celebrating. Nor do I particularly care how he celebrates. I just prefer he not put it on social media. Social media is usually a bad idea if you are an athlete, unless you have someone else running the account. He's posting about a celebration at a sports bar and grill....I mean honestly, its probably family friendly. I wouldn't worry too much about that post. |
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 7, 2018 18:12:05 GMT -5
I’m fine with him celebrating. Nor do I particularly care how he celebrates. I just prefer he not put it on social media. Social media is usually a bad idea if you are an athlete, unless you have someone else running the account. He's posting about a celebration at a sports bar and grill....I mean honestly, its probably family friendly. I wouldn't worry too much about that post. That’s what I’m saying. If he has tweeted something about a house party in the woods then that’d be concerning. As for not having a social media account, I have to disagree with that too. You have a valid argument, but I’d rather see them teach the young kids how to properly manage their personal accounts rather than encourage them to get rid of it. |
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 7, 2018 18:48:22 GMT -5
Missed it by 9 years. I have not really followed the draft this year, but I assume with the accolades and a HS senior, drafted immedately after the first 10 rounds, that he's the bonus baby to watch? |
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