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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 18:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2018 18:57:33 GMT -5
Missed it by 9 years. I have not really followed the draft this year, but I assume with the accolades and a HS senior, drafted immedately after the first 10 rounds, that he's the bonus baby to watch? Indeed he is. His predraft rankings place him as roughly an equivalent prospect to our 2nd round pick, Nick Decker. All signs indicate that he will sign but fingers crossed that there are no surprises behind the scenes. But yeah, he's the one you want to get. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 7, 2018 19:56:07 GMT -5
I feel like Northcut isn't doing a great job negotiating.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 7, 2018 20:09:12 GMT -5
I feel like Northcut isn't doing a great job negotiating. I've always felt some want to just get it done and over with for a fair value, not caring to get the most money. Same with MLB players in FA. Can site examples. Bill Campbell when he signed with Boston, Varitek with his contract, the Jared Weaver deal with Anaheim. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 7, 2018 20:33:16 GMT -5
There's always that balance between negotiating and realizing that 3 years in college may cost a player millions ($5-$50 million is my guess) if he becomes a MLB regular. Brock Holt (Nava too with extenuating circumstances) is the example I think of. Granted a college player will move faster through MiLB, but not three years faster always.
Holt has an arb year next year, will finally hit free agency for 2020, his 32 year old season. Could even be optioned if the Red Sox wanted I think. If he had started 3 years earlier, burning options sooner, he may have a chance to cash in much differently.
$500k as a HS senior vs $2.5 million as a college junior, even an MLB relief pitcher makes that money back and then some.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 7, 2018 21:09:49 GMT -5
There's always that balance between negotiating and realizing that 3 years in college may cost a player millions ($5-$50 million is my guess) if he becomes a MLB regular. Brock Holt (Nava too with extenuating circumstances) is the example I think of. Granted a college player will move faster through MiLB, but not three years faster always. Holt has an arb year next year, will finally hit free agency for 2020, his 32 year old season. Could even be optioned if the Red Sox wanted I think. If he had started 3 years earlier, burning options sooner, he may have a chance to cash in much differently.
$500k as a HS senior vs $2.5 million as a college junior, even an MLB relief pitcher makes that money back and then some.
Yeah, it's too bad the new CBA rules have taken away money from later round picks. This is the main reason why the Sox don't sign Nick Quintana years back. Still as you mention, it still is more worth it playing right out of highschool. Pitchers get guarenteed money that they might never receive, especially if they go to college and blow out their arms. Hitters also have incentive because it starts their service clock in the minors. The only reason why you go to college is for the college experience, and sometimes, the education. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 21:31:27 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2018 22:35:41 GMT -5
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on Jun 8, 2018 3:38:06 GMT -5
Ummmmm. He needs to get his social media pressure under control. I get that he is an 18 high school kid, but still... I don’t know if I agree with that take. The kid just got drafted by the Boston Red Sox. That’s worth one hell of a celebration. Just need to keep in under control. They may be professionals, but they’re still human. They’re allowed to party and have fun and enjoy themselves. Just stay in control. What century are y'all in? The kid's hyped and he's basically inviting his uncles and coaches to celebrate at a sports bar. Social media is part of teenagers lives. People barely care when they find kids' youthful posts that are idiotically racist or whatever. If I was this kid's pony league coach, I'd be offended if he didn't invite me to James Third Base Bar to celebrate. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2018 4:41:54 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 8, 2018 7:23:18 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 8, 2018 8:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 8, 2018 9:07:07 GMT -5
I feel like Northcut isn't doing a great job negotiating. That's not the why I would look at it. I would imagine the Red Sox and his adviser had a conversation on what it would take before the draft, then again Tuesday night after round 10, and essentially agreed to a deal then. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2018 9:17:20 GMT -5
I feel like Northcut isn't doing a great job negotiating. That's not the why I would look at it. I would imagine the Red Sox and his adviser had a conversation on what it would take before the draft, then again Tuesday night after round 10, and essentially agreed to a deal then. If he takes less than $500-600K, then the Red Sox got a bargain. They couldn't really agree to that until they had enough money saved from other finalized signings. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 8, 2018 9:42:26 GMT -5
Mike might be right on his estimate. Sox had to have known his number if they picked him 11 (the earliest no penalty for not signing pick) and they cant have much more than $500k above slot to offer.
Northcutt didn't get picked early as a tough sign, I wonder how many teams would want a do-over if he comes in at $500K. Reminds me a little of Jon Denny (albeit round 3), a tough sign the Sox drafted anyway and brought in at a surprisingly low number.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 8, 2018 9:47:34 GMT -5
That's not the why I would look at it. I would imagine the Red Sox and his adviser had a conversation on what it would take before the draft, then again Tuesday night after round 10, and essentially agreed to a deal then. If he takes less than $500-600K, then the Red Sox got a bargain. They couldn't really agree to that until they had enough money saved from other finalized signings. Whether 5-600K is a bargain is irrelevant, his team gave the Sox a number before the draft, and reiterated it again Tuesday night. The Red Sox likely had 4-5 scenarios like that with players, and come Tuesday night, they look at their board, assess their numbers with their top 10 rounders that they have also discussed figures with, and the conversation likely goes; Nick, we are projecting to have X to spend, would you accept that? Yes, I would accept that. Great, we are taking you with our first pick tomorrow/today. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 8, 2018 9:53:48 GMT -5
If their three through seven picks are on the lower end of their estimated ranges, it's possible they'd have in the range of a million dollars to spend. For example, we have Ward at slot, but he could potentially be a $175K guy. That overage includes extra money they'll need for Casas and Decker, but it's very possible that Northcut is getting like $800-$900K range and the Red Sox were confident they had that to spend.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2018 10:11:22 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Jun 8, 2018 11:35:46 GMT -5
Is there going to be a separate thread just tracking the signings as there has been in previous years?
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Post by sarcasmo on Jun 8, 2018 11:37:21 GMT -5
I feel like it's OK to get our hopes up that we signed this kid. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2018 13:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 8, 2018 14:53:03 GMT -5
Disagree. They may have said "we're taking him if we can get him under $1 million, and if he took $550, that's another $550 you can throw at another prospect(s) who might not have signed.
Only way out of this terrible farm system is volume right now, and hope to hit on a few.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 8, 2018 16:19:03 GMT -5
If their three through seven picks are on the lower end of their estimated ranges, it's possible they'd have in the range of a million dollars to spend. For example, we have Ward at slot, but he could potentially be a $175K guy. That overage includes extra money they'll need for Casas and Decker, but it's very possible that Northcut is getting like $800-$900K range and the Red Sox were confident they had that to spend. I think that makes sense and its what I'm bracing for. Using almost all of our saving on Northcut. 500 to 600K seems low given his rankings. |
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Post by splendidsplinter on Jun 8, 2018 16:23:40 GMT -5
Disagree. They may have said "we're taking him if we can get him under $1 million, and if he took $550, that's another $550 you can throw at another prospect(s) who might not have signed. Only way out of this terrible farm system is volume right now, and hope to hit on a few. Reference the infamous draft of 2013 when the Sox were drafting 7th. They had both position and volume. Quality and luck have a lot to do with it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 8, 2018 16:27:31 GMT -5
Disagree. They may have said "we're taking him if we can get him under $1 million, and if he took $550, that's another $550 you can throw at another prospect(s) who might not have signed. Only way out of this terrible farm system is volume right now, and hope to hit on a few. I think you missed his point. It was in regards to him not bargaining well, not that extra money to spend on other players isn't a good thing. Adding another top 100 player, after you already got 3 of them is smart and the way you rebuild a system. |
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