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Hungry Like the Wolf: the Jarren Duran thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Aug 8, 2022 8:41:37 GMT -5
Bumping this
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 8, 2022 8:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Aug 8, 2022 8:53:05 GMT -5
Continuing the Duran’s discussion here instead of the KC game thread?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 8, 2022 9:40:32 GMT -5
Is it too late to move him back to 2nd?
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 8, 2022 12:10:57 GMT -5
I said it in the game thread, and I'll say it here as well. Doesn't matter where you play him if he is this thin skinned it will end poorly. I've seen enough of him on defense and he hasn't provided enough offensively to justify his continued role. I was so wrong about him, I thought he would be a jolt, providing speed on the bases with occasional pop. I haven't seen an arm that bad since Johnny Damon, and I can't remember an outfielder who looked this lost on EVERY play. Get him out.
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Post by nomar on Aug 8, 2022 13:45:31 GMT -5
Is it too late to move him back to 2nd? I’d wager that he’s no good there either
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Post by seamus on Aug 8, 2022 15:00:58 GMT -5
I'd try to dump him this offseason as a controllable "change of scenery" candidate. When a guy makes Verdugo look like the calm outfielder, it's time to move on.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 8, 2022 15:17:07 GMT -5
I'd try to dump him this offseason as a controllable "change of scenery" candidate. When a guy makes Verdugo look like the calm outfielder, it's time to move on. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, it's actually a good idea if you can get value from him, but I just picture another Beni where he starts to play well after moving on and then we get a bunch of captain hindsights popping back in talking about how it was a mistake in the moment
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Post by seamus on Aug 8, 2022 15:31:16 GMT -5
I feel like a single compilation video of his defensive "highlights" over the last month would be more than enough as a counterargument.
Maybe I'm overreacting to the defense, but it's not like he's a 23-year-old still figuring things out. I'd much rather bet on Kelenic than Duran, for instance, even though Kelenic has probably been as bad at the plate as Duran's been in the field.
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 8, 2022 15:40:11 GMT -5
I feel like a single compilation video of his defensive "highlights" over the last month would be more than enough as a counterargument. Maybe I'm overreacting to the defense, but it's not like he's a 23-year-old still figuring things out. I'd much rather bet on Kelenic than Duran, for instance, even though Kelenic has probably been as bad at the plate as Duran's been in the field. Duran for Kelenic straight up, who says no?
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Post by seamus on Aug 8, 2022 15:46:40 GMT -5
I once emailed Jerry Dipoto when he was with the Diamondbacks and he wrote me a very kind email back, so I feel like I can probably sell him on it.
(I was in high school and attended a AAA game where the D-Backs affiliate's starter was tipping his pitches. I found Dipoto's contact info and apparently decided he was the guy to message about it. Dipoto thanked me for the insight and said he'd talk to the pitching coach about it. Long story short: Max Scherzer doesn't tip his pitches anymore.)
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Post by jimoh on Aug 8, 2022 16:03:11 GMT -5
I said it in the game thread, and I'll say it here as well. Doesn't matter where you play him if he is this thin skinned it will end poorly. I've seen enough of him on defense and he hasn't provided enough offensively to justify his continued role. I was so wrong about him, I thought he would be a jolt, providing speed on the bases with occasional pop. I haven't seen an arm that bad since Johnny Damon, and I can't remember an outfielder who looked this lost on EVERY play. Get him out. Yeah, players bothered by boos never work out. "But despite his success, he fought with the Boston fans; sometimes they booed him even when he hit a home run. The Red Sox were a comic opera of a team, and the brilliant kid showed his disdain by loafing and sulking. At the height of his war with the fans, Yastrzemski made a theater event of his disdain. As the booing mounted one day, he suddenly dropped his glove and dramatically extracted two wads of cotton from his ears." www.thestacksreader.com/the-indian-summer-of-carl-yastrzemski/
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 8, 2022 16:06:16 GMT -5
Is it too late to move him back to 2nd? I am petty sure I suggested this some time ago and was told he just needed time to learn how to play the outfield. The problem is that some players are not able to learn how to play the outfield and he is one of them. I still have nightmares remembering longtime infielder Hanley Ramirez trying to learn how to play left field in Fenway. He was bad. Duran is probably worse. Duran just does not have the instincts for it. I have no idea whether he could play second base, but what do they have to lose? A bigger question is whether the Red Sox want to make the effort now that he does not appear to be able to hit at the major league level either.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 8, 2022 16:36:53 GMT -5
I said it in the game thread, and I'll say it here as well. Doesn't matter where you play him if he is this thin skinned it will end poorly. I've seen enough of him on defense and he hasn't provided enough offensively to justify his continued role. I was so wrong about him, I thought he would be a jolt, providing speed on the bases with occasional pop. I haven't seen an arm that bad since Johnny Damon, and I can't remember an outfielder who looked this lost on EVERY play. Get him out. Yeah, players bothered by boos never work out. "But despite his success, he fought with the Boston fans; sometimes they booed him even when he hit a home run. The Red Sox were a comic opera of a team, and the brilliant kid showed his disdain by loafing and sulking. At the height of his war with the fans, Yastrzemski made a theater event of his disdain. As the booing mounted one day, he suddenly dropped his glove and dramatically extracted two wads of cotton from his ears." www.thestacksreader.com/the-indian-summer-of-carl-yastrzemski/Are you seriously comparing Yaz to Duran? Like, this is tongue and cheek right? Yaz could play premium defense in LF, 1B, and went back to LF in his late 30s and was still serviceable. I'd also point out the eras are completely different. Fans have even less respect and more vitriol for the players now than ever and it's in your best interest as a player not to ratchet it up any further. I don't know man, there is a pretty wide gap of a difference between putting wads of cotton in your ears, and verbally confronting fans in the stands. There is too much at stake, and certainly way more ways it can go wrong. I mean, just ask Joey Gallo how he feels about fan reception, and how it can go wrong, dude was scared to leave his apartment.
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Post by keninten on Aug 8, 2022 18:23:32 GMT -5
Weren`t the fans throwing stuff at Duran?
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 8, 2022 20:24:30 GMT -5
Weren`t the fans throwing stuff at Duran? He said they were throwing bottle caps, but I am a little skeptical. - Aren't bottle caps removed by the vendors at the time of purchase? - Did they spend any time picking up bottle caps all over the outfield before resuming play?? - Didn't see anything coming from the stands while watching but was obviously focused on Duran
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 8, 2022 20:58:04 GMT -5
Is it too late to move him back to 2nd? I am petty sure I suggested this some time ago and was told he just needed time to learn how to play the outfield. The problem is that some players are not able to learn how to play the outfield and he is one of them. I still have nightmares remembering longtime infielder Hanley Ramirez trying to learn how to play left field in Fenway. He was bad. Duran is probably worse. Duran just does not have the instincts for it. I have no idea whether he could play second base, but what do they have to lose? A bigger question is whether the Red Sox want to make the effort now that he does not appear to be able to hit at the major league level either. He played 2B all through college. The Sox thought he was wasting his speed at 2B and moved him to CF. Did they think that this had never occurred to his college coach? Either way, they stuck with him too long in CF and now his trade value is heavily damaged. I was really hoping they would unload him at the deadline while the unloading was good. Even if the plan was still to try to compete this year, Duran isn't exactly one of their most productive guys and maybe they could've packaged him for someone better. Oh well...
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Post by jimoh on Aug 8, 2022 21:01:18 GMT -5
Yeah, players bothered by boos never work out. "But despite his success, he fought with the Boston fans; sometimes they booed him even when he hit a home run. The Red Sox were a comic opera of a team, and the brilliant kid showed his disdain by loafing and sulking. At the height of his war with the fans, Yastrzemski made a theater event of his disdain. As the booing mounted one day, he suddenly dropped his glove and dramatically extracted two wads of cotton from his ears." www.thestacksreader.com/the-indian-summer-of-carl-yastrzemski/Are you seriously comparing Yaz to Duran? Like, this is tongue and cheek right? Yaz could play premium defense in LF, 1B, and went back to LF in his late 30s and was still serviceable. I'd also point out the eras are completely different. Fans have even less respect and more vitriol for the players now than ever and it's in your best interest as a player not to ratchet it up any further. I don't know man, there is a pretty wide gap of a difference between putting wads of cotton in your ears, and verbally confronting fans in the stands. There is too much at stake, and certainly way more ways it can go wrong. I mean, just ask Joey Gallo how he feels about fan reception, and how it can go wrong, dude was scared to leave his apartment. I’m not comparing them as players, but rejecting your claim that Duran’s being “thin skinned” is a serious problem. Did you miss the bolded part about Yaz “sulking and loafing” in response to boos? Duran has huge defensive problems and things to work on on offense, but getting upset at boos is not a major problem.
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Post by patford on Aug 8, 2022 21:13:25 GMT -5
Duran has options and his trade value is likely at an all time low. It's hard to understand why he hasn't been sent back to AAA and moved back to 2B.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 8, 2022 21:27:18 GMT -5
I feel like a single compilation video of his defensive "highlights" over the last month would be more than enough as a counterargument. Maybe I'm overreacting to the defense, but it's not like he's a 23-year-old still figuring things out. I'd much rather bet on Kelenic than Duran, for instance, even though Kelenic has probably been as bad at the plate as Duran's been in the field. Duran for Kelenic straight up, who says no? The Mariners say no. Duran has serious defensive issues that will probably never go away and his hitting isn't exactly great. Kelenic has been terrible since coming up, but he just might be one of those guys that takes time to acclimate, sort of like Byron Buxton did. Kelenic has the skills. I can't say that Duran does. I hoped he'd be serviceable in CF. He's not even close to that and I have my doubts now that he ever will be. If the M's offered Kelenic for Duran I'd jump at it, but I don't see it happening. I think when all is said and done, Kelenic will settle in with the Mariners and play well. I think Duran will wind up in LF or perhaps even at 2b for a 2nd division team. He might recover some of his hitting and perhaps he'll do better in a lower pressured environment but I don't see him succeeding with the Red Sox.
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 8, 2022 22:51:47 GMT -5
Duran for Kelenic straight up, who says no? The Mariners say no. Duran has serious defensive issues that will probably never go away and his hitting isn't exactly great. Kelenic has been terrible since coming up, but he just might be one of those guys that takes time to acclimate, sort of like Byron Buxton did. Kelenic has the skills. I can't say that Duran does. I hoped he'd be serviceable in CF. He's not even close to that and I have my doubts now that he ever will be. If the M's offered Kelenic for Duran I'd jump at it, but I don't see it happening. I think when all is said and done, Kelenic will settle in with the Mariners and play well. I think Duran will wind up in LF or perhaps even at 2b for a 2nd division team. He might recover some of his hitting and perhaps he'll do better in a lower pressured environment but I don't see him succeeding with the Red Sox. Oh I 100% agree the M's wouldn't - that's the part lol
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Post by lancect on Aug 9, 2022 10:28:51 GMT -5
Weren`t the fans throwing stuff at Duran? He said they were throwing bottle caps, but I am a little skeptical. - Aren't bottle caps removed by the vendors at the time of purchase? - Did they spend any time picking up bottle caps all over the outfield before resuming play?? - Didn't see anything coming from the stands while watching but was obviously focused on Duran We were at Kauffman during the series, they don't sell beverages with bottle caps... there were no bottle caps to throw, what is he talking about? Remember when the Red Sox made it a priority to make sure our rookies were trained to be MLB ready for the scrutiny they would be under, this used to be a point of pride for the organization, wtf happened??
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 9, 2022 11:09:56 GMT -5
He said they were throwing bottle caps, but I am a little skeptical. - Aren't bottle caps removed by the vendors at the time of purchase? - Did they spend any time picking up bottle caps all over the outfield before resuming play?? - Didn't see anything coming from the stands while watching but was obviously focused on Duran We were at Kauffman during the series, they don't sell beverages with bottle caps... there were no bottle caps to throw, what is he talking about? Remember when the Red Sox made it a priority to make sure our rookies were trained to be MLB ready for the scrutiny they would be under, this used to be a point of pride for the organization, wtf happened?? I'm not sure if this is what you or he meant, but couldn't it be like water bottle caps? Kauffman really doesn't sell water bottles?
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Post by lancect on Aug 9, 2022 11:40:39 GMT -5
We were at Kauffman during the series, they don't sell beverages with bottle caps... there were no bottle caps to throw, what is he talking about? Remember when the Red Sox made it a priority to make sure our rookies were trained to be MLB ready for the scrutiny they would be under, this used to be a point of pride for the organization, wtf happened?? I'm not sure if this is what you or he meant, but couldn't it be like water bottle caps? Kauffman really doesn't sell water bottles? It could have been... but there are only a handful of rows in centerfield under the fountains, plastic wouldn't fly as far as metal, frankly I don't believe him. He needs to learn not to be defensive and take his licks. Still don't understand how when he gave up the inside the park grand slam, Cora said the players handled it but when Duran was interviewed, he said NO ONE had spoken to him. How can both statements be true? Then he went into the spiel about how he like to see the reporters try to catch a ball in the twilight. I am not impressed, and the Red Sox used to bring their players up with more media savvy in the past, why has it been so bad with Duran and was hasn't it been corrected? More reasons to be disappointed with this team
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Post by incandenza on Aug 9, 2022 11:47:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is what you or he meant, but couldn't it be like water bottle caps? Kauffman really doesn't sell water bottles? It could have been... but there are only a handful of rows in centerfield under the fountains, plastic wouldn't fly as far as metal, frankly I don't believe him. He needs to learn not to be defensive and take his licks. Still don't understand how when he gave up the inside the park grand slam, Cora said the players handled it but when Duran was interviewed, he said NO ONE had spoken to him. How can both statements be true? Then he went into the spiel about how he like to see the reporters try to catch a ball in the twilight. I am not impressed, and the Red Sox used to bring their players up with more media savvy in the past, why has it been so bad with Duran and was hasn't it been corrected? More reasons to be disappointed with this team All the other young players seem fine. I think it's probably just that Duran is kind of a goober.
One thing with Duran I keep thinking about is how he got onto top-100 lists, and even made it into the top 50 one or two places, about a year ago. That seemed crazy high to me, and I reeeally wanted them to trade him if that was actually how he was valued around baseball. I suspect it wasn't, but it's something I would love to know.
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