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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 3, 2019 22:29:46 GMT -5
I think if they replayed that game 100 times, the Pats would win by 25 points on average and Edleman would have 175 yards on average. Yeah it was sad. It reminded me of any tennis grand slam match in recent years when like a young player wins a couple of matches and suddenly he's awesome and the future of the sport, but then he faces Nadal, Federer or Djokovic and go down in 3 straight and looks like he's having an out of body experience midway the second set. This kind of dominance is highly unusual in team sports and it speaks volumes to the job Belichick's been doing. |
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Post by libertine on Feb 3, 2019 22:40:21 GMT -5
I don't know what to say at this point. Normal superlatives won't suffice. This is old school MFY's/Montreal Canadiens/Boston Celtics kinda of a dynasty in a sport currently set-up to ensure parity.
Never saw this coming when I first started following the lowly Pats 45+ years ago. From lowly to the NFL's GOAT. Amazing...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 3, 2019 23:07:34 GMT -5
I remember sitting in the original stadium in Foxboro on a rainy day in 1970 - just awful, Pats got shut out - Joe Kapp was the QB.
A 6th SB, a QB like Brady - this has just been so sweet.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 3, 2019 23:09:22 GMT -5
People enjoy this music? LOL what a time to be alive. We muted after just a few minutes. Auto tune American Idol vintage pop with lots of fireworks but no creativity. Yuck. (63 here - we've come a long way since Abbey Road!) |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 3, 2019 23:14:50 GMT -5
I apologize that the Eagles interrupted a 4 Super Bowl winning run. lol
There really are no words about how great this organization is.
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Post by dd on Feb 3, 2019 23:21:10 GMT -5
It will be a very sad thing if, after loading up the truck tomorrow, they don't bring it out on Tuesday for the Patriot's parade.
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Post by libertine on Feb 3, 2019 23:22:41 GMT -5
I remember sitting in the original stadium in Foxboro on a rainy day in 1970 - just awful, Pats got shut out - Joe Kapp was the QB. A 6th SB, a QB like Brady - this has just been so sweet. I remember those teams from the first half of the 70's. Comprehensively awful teams. It all started changing when they got Plunkett and Vataha. Russ Francis was pretty good too... 
And it easily could've been 8 SB's if not for 2 miracle catches by Giants receivers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2019 23:25:47 GMT -5
Defense did come through. Goff was horrific. Brady should have at least 1 ring too. What a career. You like that defense? Sorry just had to say something after you said our D wasn't good enough all year and they litterally just won us the Superbowl. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 3, 2019 23:26:48 GMT -5
I remember sitting in the original stadium in Foxboro on a rainy day in 1970 - just awful, Pats got shut out - Joe Kapp was the QB. A 6th SB, a QB like Brady - this has just been so sweet. I remember those teams from the first half of the 70's. Comprehensively awful teams. It all started changing when they got Plunkett and Vataha. Russ Francis was pretty good too...
And it easily could've been 8 SB's if not for 2 miracle catches by Giants receivers.
Remember tiny Mack Herron? Sam Bam Cunningham? When they got Stingley, Morgan - and on defense, Haynes and Fox - things started to turn around. I also recall a miracle victory - Bob Windsor (tight end) caught a pass and wrecked his knees getting into the end zone for the win - I don't think he played again. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 3, 2019 23:28:03 GMT -5
Defense did come through. Goff was horrific. Brady should have at least 1 ring too. What a career. You like that defense? Sorry just had to say something after you said our D wasn't good enough all year and they litterally just won us the Superbowl. Goff was awful, but they played their best game of the year. They got a layup in the Super Bowl. I'll take it. Brady needs a mulligan trophy after losing three very closely. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2019 23:32:03 GMT -5
You like that defense? Sorry just had to say something after you said our D wasn't good enough all year and they litterally just won us the Superbowl. Goff was awful, but they played their best game of the year. They got a layup in the Super Bowl. I'll take it. Brady needs a mulligan trophy after losing three very closely. Haha come on now, a big reason Goff was awful was because of the D! Pressure all night long, big plays like breaking up that TD in the endzone. Sacks to push them back. Gilmores big interception to stop that drive. |
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Post by libertine on Feb 3, 2019 23:32:33 GMT -5
I remember those teams from the first half of the 70's. Comprehensively awful teams. It all started changing when they got Plunkett and Vataha. Russ Francis was pretty good too...
And it easily could've been 8 SB's if not for 2 miracle catches by Giants receivers.
Remember tiny Mack Herron? Sam Bam Cunningham? When they got Stingley, Morgan - and on defense, Haynes and Fox - things started to turn around. I also recall a miracle victory - Bob Windsor (tight end) caught a pass and wrecked his knees getting into the end zone for the win - I don't think he played again. Oh, do I remember them. Loved Mack Herron. What did they call him? The Mighty Mite? The Stingley, Morgan era was when I actually started to believe that some day, just maybe some day, they might actually go to a SB (never mind win one, lol). Oh, and John Hannah was an animal too. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 3, 2019 23:35:51 GMT -5
Goff was awful, but they played their best game of the year. They got a layup in the Super Bowl. I'll take it. Brady needs a mulligan trophy after losing three very closely. Haha come on now, a big reason Goff was awful was because of the D! Pressure all night long, big plays like breaking up that TD in the endzone. Sacks to push them back. Gilmores big interception to stop that drive. They played good. The Rams were a overrated team as we have figured out. I'm happy. They were a average defense that improved enough to bring a title home. Not complaining at all. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 3, 2019 23:50:31 GMT -5
Haha come on now, a big reason Goff was awful was because of the D! Pressure all night long, big plays like breaking up that TD in the endzone. Sacks to push them back. Gilmores big interception to stop that drive. They played good. The Rams were a overrated team as we have figured out. I'm happy. They were a average defense that improved enough to bring a title home. Not complaining at all. Duuude the highest scoring offense put up 3 points... that was a masterful game. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2019 23:53:29 GMT -5
Haha come on now, a big reason Goff was awful was because of the D! Pressure all night long, big plays like breaking up that TD in the endzone. Sacks to push them back. Gilmores big interception to stop that drive. They played good. The Rams were a overrated team as we have figured out. I'm happy. They were a average defense that improved enough to bring a title home. Not complaining at all. No you're just making excuses, whatever I'm done. Just they were the #2 offense based on points and yards behind only the Chiefs all year. The true MVP is the complete D. Might be the most impressive performance of the whole year by any D. It doesn't get any better than that and frankly I didn't think you'd ever see a performance like that. Brady should buy the whole D Rolex watches. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 0:01:17 GMT -5
You like that defense? Sorry just had to say something after you said our D wasn't good enough all year and they litterally just won us the Superbowl. Goff was awful, but they played their best game of the year. They got a layup in the Super Bowl. I'll take it. Brady needs a mulligan trophy after losing three very closely. Also, as hard (aka realistic) as I am when looking at Brady’s play. Not to be overlooked is the fact that even when he’s not playing his best his mere presence allows his teammates to have confidence and keep playing so there’s no mulligan needed for him. That doesn’t even take into account how he controls the run game. |
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Post by libertine on Feb 4, 2019 0:13:57 GMT -5
This SB championship is Belichick and the coaches'. They set-up to stop the run and make an inexperienced, young, QB try to beat them. The players executed the plan the way they were supposed to and it worked perfectly.
Brady is well past his glory days/prime. But even a Tom Brady in decline might still be the one QB in the league you would want if you need to win a big game. He just finds ways to win...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 0:14:53 GMT -5
They played good. The Rams were a overrated team as we have figured out. I'm happy. They were a average defense that improved enough to bring a title home. Not complaining at all. Duuude the highest scoring offense put up 3 points... that was a masterful game. Yeap it was a good game. Goff chocked and looked like a child that wasn't ready for the moment. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 0:17:05 GMT -5
They played good. The Rams were a overrated team as we have figured out. I'm happy. They were a average defense that improved enough to bring a title home. Not complaining at all. No you're just making excuses, whatever I'm done. Just they were the #2 offense based on points and yards behind only the Chiefs all year. The true MVP is the complete D. Might be the most impressive performance of the whole year by any D. It doesn't get any better than that and frankly I didn't think you'd ever see a performance like that. Brady should buy the whole D Rolex watches. Not making excuses. It is what it is. The rest of the country will be saying the same thing. Goff chocked hard. They'll give BB all the credit. I'm actually giving the defense more credit than that by saying they played their best game all year. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 0:33:13 GMT -5
Just for perspective, Goff was 19 for 38 for 229 yards with a INT. He didn't even get into the red zone once. Most of those throws that were completed were on the last drive where the Patriots were protecting in prevent defense from a TD in the last minute of the game.
Goff gave the Rams a Tim Tebow esk performance in the most important game of their year. I'm fact I think Goff scored just as many points as Tim Tebow when Tebow played the Patriots in his one playoff performance against them.
Add- Gurley looked like a injured shell in this game and was a complete non factor too.
Second add- Goff might have given the worst Super Bowl performance in the history of the Superbowl by a QB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 1:06:05 GMT -5
Goff was awful, but they played their best game of the year. They got a layup in the Super Bowl. I'll take it. Brady needs a mulligan trophy after losing three very closely. Also, as hard (aka realistic) as I am when looking at Brady’s play. Not to be overlooked is the fact that even when he’s not playing his best his mere presence allows his teammates to have confidence and keep playing so there’s no mulligan needed for him. That doesn’t even take into account how he controls the run game. Brady wasn't close that good, but yea him moving the chains was massive. He did just enough to wear down the Rams D and allow our D to rest. This was an old school formula to winning a football game. Where the offense helps the D and doesn't hurt it. It was pre-2007 Brady and that is not a bad thing. It's what I wanted to develop in the offseason. Really surprised they just did a 180 after Gordon was suspended and really became a new team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 1:29:16 GMT -5
No you're just making excuses, whatever I'm done. Just they were the #2 offense based on points and yards behind only the Chiefs all year. The true MVP is the complete D. Might be the most impressive performance of the whole year by any D. It doesn't get any better than that and frankly I didn't think you'd ever see a performance like that. Brady should buy the whole D Rolex watches. Not making excuses. It is what it is. The rest of the country will be saying the same thing. Goff chocked hard. They'll give BB all the credit. I'm actually giving the defense more credit than that by saying they played their best game all year. Ok I guess it was Goffs fault he got hit 12 times, sacked four times and hurried on like 75% of his throws. That's like saying Brady choked against those great Giant defenses. He didn't by the way. Compared to Brady getting hit 4 times, one sack and hurried on like 30% of his throws. Heck I almost think Brady choked more, all day long to throw and he takes a sack and coughs up the ball. Lucky thing we got it. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 1:34:52 GMT -5
Not making excuses. It is what it is. The rest of the country will be saying the same thing. Goff chocked hard. They'll give BB all the credit. I'm actually giving the defense more credit than that by saying they played their best game all year. Ok I guess it was Goffs fault he got hit 12 times, sacked four times and hurried on like 75% of his throws. That's like saying Brady choked against those great Giant defenses. That comparison isn't good at all. The Giants defenses were a lot better. Brady was better than Goff in those games. It was Goff's fault for not getting in the red zone. It was Goff's fault for finding Cooks too late, poorly throwing it to Cooks, and missing a easy TD pass to Cooks. The INT was also a horribly thrown ball off his back foot that turned into a jump ball. He missed bad throws all game and made horrible reads all game. Look you're not changing my mind. Goff had the worst performance in NFL Super Bowl history by a QB. He once again Tim Tebow'd that game. Gurley being hurt also was a huge factor too. Add- Wouldn't it have been nice that Goff could pick up a blitz and try to counter it? Ohh he couldn't once again because he chocked and the moment got too big for him. Second add- Goff was tied for the worst completion percentage on drop back passes in Superbowl history in this game. So yes, that's his fault. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 1:57:58 GMT -5
I guess I know nothing about football because watching it live that pass to Cooks looked perfect and only an unreal play by Jason McCourty saved a touchdown.
Gotta go with Manning in Superbowl 50 as worst performance ever 13 of 23 141 yards, no TDs, one interception and two fumbles. Heck like with Goff you gotta give credit to that D 5 sacks and 13 QB Hits.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 2:10:27 GMT -5
I guess I know nothing about football because watching it live that pass to Cooks looked perfect and only an unreal play by Jason McCourty saved a touchdown. Go back and watch the play. Goff first took at least 3-5 seconds to realize that Cooks was wide open to begin with. Then Goff threw a accurate pass but had nothing on it. Jason McCourty had enough time to run most of the distance of that play to make a play by the time the ball got there. I agree with your second point. Manning's bad Superbowl the 50th Superbowl might be worse. Objectively between that game by Manning and this game by Goff, it was number one and two worst performances of all time by the QB position. |
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