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2018 Patriots Season Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 2:30:39 GMT -5
I guess I know nothing about football because watching it live that pass to Cooks looked perfect and only an unreal play by Jason McCourty saved a touchdown. I counted 4 seconds before Goff found Cooks wide open. Go listen to the ESPN commentary. Argue with them. Also look at the dime piece that Goff threw at the wide receiver's feet the play before.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 4, 2019 4:37:35 GMT -5
Belichick shows McVay that he is not ready for Prime Time. Super Bowl Champs, New England Patriots.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 8:07:31 GMT -5
Ok I guess it was Goffs fault he got hit 12 times, sacked four times and hurried on like 75% of his throws. That's like saying Brady choked against those great Giant defenses. That comparison isn't good at all. The Giants defenses were a lot better. Brady was better than Goff in those games. It was Goff's fault for not getting in the red zone. It was Goff's fault for finding Cooks too late, poorly throwing it to Cooks, and missing a easy TD pass to Cooks. The INT was also a horribly thrown ball off his back foot that turned into a jump ball. He missed bad throws all game and made horrible reads all game. Look you're not changing my mind. Goff had the worst performance in NFL Super Bowl history by a QB. He once again Tim Tebow'd that game. Gurley being hurt also was a huge factor too. Add- Wouldn't it have been nice that Goff could pick up a blitz and try to counter it? Ohh he couldn't once again because he chocked and the moment got too big for him. Second add- Goff was tied for the worst completion percentage on drop back passes in Superbowl history in this game. So yes, that's his fault. Gurley isn’t hurt - they all said it and if you watched him run there was burst and no limping. Regardless, what you think of Goff and that defense overall, the defense played great yesterday. All you need to know is the Rams offense was great most of the year and the Patriots made them look inept. This isn’t like them going agains the Bears this is them going against an offensive juggernaut.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 8:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 4, 2019 8:47:52 GMT -5
Gotta say I feel somewhat bad for Jared Goff this morning. He didn't play all that bad. That Cooks play wasn't a perfect pass and it wasn't a tremendous read initially, but the ball was there. Just an all around incredible play by McCourty to save it. And even then, dude was getting punished all game and he had no time to pass the ball. On that INT there's a monster coming his way to murder him and he had no time to go through his mechanics appropriately. He's pretty young. I don't know, he got swallowed alive by an all-timer defensive performance. People are overreacting, he's still a very good QB. He outplayed Drew Brees in the NFC Championship game. There's a lot to like there.
Now the Gurley thing is f*cking weird. There's something we don't know in this story. I thought he looked slow out there. If he's not injured, his head is clearly not in the game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 9:07:22 GMT -5
I will say; I’ve wanted to not like McVay, but he’s extremely likable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 9:28:04 GMT -5
My favorite part of that McCourty pass breakup in the end zone was how he hit the uprights and in one motion just popped up and ran back to the huddle without even a fist pump. Guy was all business.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2019 9:43:25 GMT -5
I guess I know nothing about football because watching it live that pass to Cooks looked perfect and only an unreal play by Jason McCourty saved a touchdown. Gotta go with Manning in Superbowl 50 as worst performance ever 13 of 23 141 yards, no TDs, one interception and two fumbles. Heck like with Goff you gotta give credit to that D 5 sacks and 13 QB Hits. I'd give the worst QB title to win a SB to Roethlisberger against the Seahawks. 9-21 for 123 yards, 0 TD 2 INT Antwaan Randel-El threw a 43 yard TD though in that game. Maybe it's just because I freaking hate Roethlisberger more than any other QB. It's hard to hate either of the Mannings.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2019 9:55:51 GMT -5
What surprised me most about that game was how great the Rams defense played. I've never in my life seen Tom Brady confused or tricked by defensive coverages and he was in that game quite often. He actually looked like he was trying not to throw that INT in the 1st quarter because he saw the coverage was different than he thought as he was throwing it. They looked like they were on their way to building a lead before that pick.
But what I expected the Pats defense to do against the Rams is exactly what happened. It's not that Goff is terrible. He's just young and easily confused by one of the most complex defenses I've seen. They were faking blitzes with 3-4 guys on every play. Some of them would come (usually on stunts) and some would drop back, disturbing every play that can counter a blitz. So if Goff thought he had to get rid of it quickly because he read a blitz coming, he didn't have options when he had more time than he thought. Mahomes is 10 times the QB and they confused him as well.
I knew that was the gameplan since the first regular season game against the Chiefs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 4, 2019 10:02:42 GMT -5
But what I expected the Pats defense to do against the Rams is exactly what happened. It's not that Goff is terrible. He's just young and easily confused by one of the most complex defenses I've seen. They were faking blitzes with 3-4 guys on every play. Some of them would come (usually on stunts) and some would drop back, disturbing every play that can counter a blitz. So if Goff thought he had to get rid of it quickly because he read a blitz coming, he didn't have options when he had more time than he thought. Mahomes is 10 times the QB and they confused him as well. Somewhat related, do you still take Wentz over Goff? It's an interesting conversation because Goff hasn't been injured as often and he had a really tremendous season. But Wentz reached higher peaks and he did it without having a top end running game. There's also reports about how Wentz might be an a-hole but those really seem like spy jobs. If I had to rank the 6 big QBs from the 16 and 17 classes I'd go: 1- Mahomes 2- Wentz 3- Goff 4- Prescott 5- Trubinsky 6- Watson Not at all a bad group.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 4, 2019 10:33:55 GMT -5
Lights seemed pretty bright for Goff - great defensive plan going into the game. I think having two weeks to prepare allowed Ds on both teams to work on lots of things. I compare Brady, back in 2001 and his amazing poise, to Goff. No way to predict the future, but what we've seen since in Brady was on display way back then.
Romo kept referring to the way the Rams were disguising their D - whether zone or man - and Brady just seemed to have trouble reading it for the most part.
Having an essentially home team crowd (volume-wise) didn't hurt - the Brady chant in the 4Q was amazing.
Most fun low scoring game I've ever watched, I think!
So....Red Sox - Worlds series (beat LA). Patriots - Super Bowl (Beat LA). Bruins in the playoff hunt and Celtics catching fire - two nice shiny objects to keep us occupied until that first spring training game late February.
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Post by philarhody on Feb 4, 2019 10:38:05 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts:
-I mentioned it after the Pats drafted Ja’whaun Bentley, but Belicheck has really exploited a market inefficiency of traditional linebackers. I just don’t understand why teams think it is more important to have Mark Barron and Cory Littleton as your backers when you can have monsters like Van Noy and Hightower who can actually defend the run and rush the passer. Can Van Noy or Hightower defend receiving backs or tight ends? No, but a safety can, and considering most teams play out of nickel and dime, it makes sense to underpay 270 lb castoffs who can only run a high 4.6 rather than a glorified safety to take on blocks and stop the run.
-For Saints fans whining about how they would have been such a better matchup for the Patriots, I call shenanigans. Brady looked terrified and uncomfortable all night because of Donald and Suh. Teams that play zone against Brady typically get torched, and yet he checked into run plays most of the times that he read zone. Brady would have been far more efficient against the Saints, and Considering that the Saints offense had been anemic for months, the Patriots likely would have won that game just as easily.
-The Patriots need two or three more wide receivers. Other than two designed catches by Patterson, Edelman was the only reciever to make a catch in this game for New England. There’s a lot of good receivers and tight ends in this draft. I know they’ve missed on basically every reciever before, but I’d expect New England’s passing offense to be much better next year. I’d love to see them sign Adam Humphries for about 8 million a year, and bring in Tyrell Williams or John Brown to fill the Cooks role.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 4, 2019 11:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2019 11:50:06 GMT -5
But what I expected the Pats defense to do against the Rams is exactly what happened. It's not that Goff is terrible. He's just young and easily confused by one of the most complex defenses I've seen. They were faking blitzes with 3-4 guys on every play. Some of them would come (usually on stunts) and some would drop back, disturbing every play that can counter a blitz. So if Goff thought he had to get rid of it quickly because he read a blitz coming, he didn't have options when he had more time than he thought. Mahomes is 10 times the QB and they confused him as well. Somewhat related, do you still take Wentz over Goff? It's an interesting conversation because Goff hasn't been injured as often and he had a really tremendous season. But Wentz reached higher peaks and he did it without having a top end running game. There's also reports about how Wentz might be an a-hole but those really seem like spy jobs. If I had to rank the 6 big QBs from the 16 and 17 classes I'd go: 1- Mahomes 2- Wentz 3- Goff 4- Prescott 5- Trubinsky 6- Watson Not at all a bad group. I haven't watched enough of Goff to make that decision, but I still like Wentz a lot. I wouldn't even count 2018 for Wentz because he was never playing at 100% because his knee injury is probably going to take 2 years to fully recover from. He could not plant his lead foot well all year. Despite that he still put up pretty good numbers. Now maybe that's a long-term durability issue, maybe not. Goff had a lot more talent around him this season than Wentz did. Jeffries had either an off-year or he's starting his decline and they had almost no running game all season, plus a lot of o-line injuries and his knee made him too immobile or unwilling to escape pressure. And if that's how it'll be moving forward, he has to learn how to be a different QB which takes more than 12 games. I still think he has a great arm and intelligence.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 4, 2019 12:21:27 GMT -5
McVay just got a chess lesson from the goat, BB.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2019 12:31:09 GMT -5
My girlfriend's father is a well respected HS football coach in Maine. He's coached for about 30 years. He said that Belichick is continually trying things that he never even thought of or seen any other coach do anywhere in football.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 18:24:12 GMT -5
I guess I know nothing about football because watching it live that pass to Cooks looked perfect and only an unreal play by Jason McCourty saved a touchdown. I counted 4 seconds before Goff found Cooks wide open. Go listen to the ESPN commentary. Argue with them. Also look at the dime piece that Goff threw at the wide receiver's feet the play before. Pedro the whole play took like 6 to 7 seconds. We don't even get a look at when Cooks became open and it wasn't close to four seconds though. In your mind Cooks was in the endzone the second the ball was snapped, which is comical. The ball stayed in the air longer than he wanted it too. Talk about a hindsight call. Lol so Goff choked because he doesn't have Brett Farves Cannon of an arm? If McCourty doesn't make an unreal play everyone is calling that a perfect pass. It was like 40 yards and hit Cooks in the numbers. I mean the ESPN guy is saying Goff might have waited too long, not that even did. He's certainly not saying he waited four seconds to find a wide open player. At most maybe he was a half second too late, but you can't even say that without a view of when Cooks got open. We only see him open when he's throwing the ball not before. That is not an example of a QB choking. Go listen to Gilmore talk about his interception and you see why Goff really isn't to blame. He knew they were blitzing, he knew with the score Goff had to try and make something happen, so he baited him. Our defense was on fire and the Rams coaching just couldn't adjust. Gilmore made that interception because he knew we'd get pressure and force Goff to rush the throw. Without the pressure it could have back fired and been a TD. This was just like the Giants making Brady look bad even in his record setting 2007 season. I know you'll never admit you were wrong about our D, even though I kept pointing it out to you for months. Which is fine, it's what you do. No need to reply. I just needed to give our D the credit it deserves. One of the more dominant Superbowl performance in history of the game. I just watched a highlight tape and half of it is our D knocking Goff to the ground.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 18:34:47 GMT -5
Okay whatever. ESPN and me are wrong, it took Goff 3 seconds to look at Cooks, and 2 seconds to release it. Argue with the video. I'm done too. Goff was horrible and he didn't make adjustments to account for the blitzes. He couldn't read anything before the play unfolded.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 4, 2019 19:46:38 GMT -5
Okay whatever. ESPN and me are wrong, it took Goff 3 seconds to look at Cooks, and 2 seconds to release it. Argue with the video. I'm done too. Goff was horrible and he didn't make adjustments to account for the blitzes. He couldn't read anything before the play unfolded. Goff was selling play action and Cooks didn't get visibly open until he was crossing the five yard line, the coverage missed him around the 10. Cooks isn't open on the initial read, he looks to check down to the RB who is getting covered, and then he looks up, finds Cooks, and steps into the throw. When you say it took 3 seconds to look at Cooks, what are you suggesting exactly? Cooks wasn't open that quickly, and he got open while Goff was looking at Anderson. Only bad QB's lock into one receiver, he was going through his reads and properly identified the correct option. It's not like Goff should've expected the Patriots to blow coverage that far into his route. If McCourty doesn't make a great play it's a touchdown. It's not like it was busted coverage from the snap and he was the easy read. If there's any complaint with Goff it'd be his release time/velocity on the pass, not his inability to go through the progressions.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 4, 2019 20:15:41 GMT -5
I haven't watched enough of Goff to make that decision, but I still like Wentz a lot. I wouldn't even count 2018 for Wentz because he was never playing at 100% because his knee injury is probably going to take 2 years to fully recover from. He could not plant his lead foot well all year. Despite that he still put up pretty good numbers. Now maybe that's a long-term durability issue, maybe not. Goff had a lot more talent around him this season than Wentz did. Jeffries had either an off-year or he's starting his decline and they had almost no running game all season, plus a lot of o-line injuries and his knee made him too immobile or unwilling to escape pressure. And if that's how it'll be moving forward, he has to learn how to be a different QB which takes more than 12 games. I still think he has a great arm and intelligence. Pretty much how I feel about this, I actually love Wentz as a passer. He's pretty much everything I thought a modern NFL QB should be until Mahomes broke the sport. I'm not crazy about the Eagles receivers either, they need an elite receiver to go with Ertz and Jeffery and make it someone that compliments them. Lost in the shuffle of the Patriots beating the Rams senseless is how much LA missed Cooper Kupp, that agile slot-ish receiver like Edelman is unguardable in the NFL today.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 20:31:25 GMT -5
Teams need to win with a young QB before he gets paid or things get a lot harder. Look at Seattle, Wilson got paid the rest of the roster loses talent and now they aren’t that great. Baltimore won them paid Flacco. Green Bay has never been able to put a team around Rodgers.
The Rams have a huge decision to make on Goff as he’s rookie extension eligible. Do you pay that guy? If not then you need a new QB and if it’s a free agent then you’re paying for one. They loaded that roster to win today and they came up short. They will start losing talent. The Chiefs better win next year or the following before they need to pay Maholms and Hill. Eagles, have a window with Wentz. Cowboys are wasting theirs with Dak.
The Saints finally got back to something with Brees but that’s why these last 2 years were huge misses. Now that young talent price tag is coming due.
No team has figured out how to do what the Patriots have which is why we see them come and go after a couple good years.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 23:32:09 GMT -5
Okay whatever. ESPN and me are wrong, it took Goff 3 seconds to look at Cooks, and 2 seconds to release it. Argue with the video. I'm done too. Goff was horrible and he didn't make adjustments to account for the blitzes. He couldn't read anything before the play unfolded. Goff was selling play action and Cooks didn't get visibly open until he was crossing the five yard line, the coverage missed him around the 10. Cooks isn't open on the initial read, he looks to check down to the RB who is getting covered, and then he looks up, finds Cooks, and steps into the throw. When you say it took 3 seconds to look at Cooks, what are you suggesting exactly? Cooks wasn't open that quickly, and he got open while Goff was looking at Anderson. Only bad QB's lock into one receiver, he was going through his reads and properly identified the correct option. It's not like Goff should've expected the Patriots to blow coverage that far into his route. If McCourty doesn't make a great play it's a touchdown. It's not like it was busted coverage from the snap and he was the easy read. If there's any complaint with Goff it'd be his release time/velocity on the pass, not his inability to go through the progressions. Exactly no good QB locks onto a guy running a deep route right off the bat. Even if that was the top target, you need to look off the CBs and give him time to get open. Good QBs will look at other options while the outside guy gets deep. Unless you got a Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson type receiver.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 7, 2019 8:20:29 GMT -5
For some of these teams its a tough choice whether or not to extend the QB, the Seahawks for example are playoff contenders almost every year. But did the Lions really need to give Stafford as much as they did? I understand its tough to find a QB but that just seems like bad cap management.
The teams with all time great Qbs like brady, brees and manning are able to hang around but middling QBs probably don’t deserve these monster deals.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 7, 2019 8:44:23 GMT -5
For some of these teams its a tough choice whether or not to extend the QB, the Seahawks for example are playoff contenders almost every year. But did the Lions really need to give Stafford as much as they did? I understand its tough to find a QB but that just seems like bad cap management. The teams with all time great Qbs like brady, brees and manning are able to hang around but middling QBs probably don’t deserve these monster deals. The problem is you either gamble and extend them or you start from scratch and most likely have a lousy team. No QB makes free agency who’s a stud known commodity. Have we ever seen it? Flacco is the best example. I don’t think they were going to extend him then he caught fire for a few games and won the SB so their hands weren’t only tied his price tag went way up and they got hosed.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 7, 2019 8:44:52 GMT -5
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