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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 16, 2018 20:29:48 GMT -5
There’s also a Celtics game tonight to start the year
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Post by texs31 on Oct 16, 2018 20:50:45 GMT -5
It's the right approach but Tatum is making it real hard to be conservative when it comes to expectations.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 16, 2018 21:42:37 GMT -5
Not sure I want Marcus Morris playing basically half of the 4th quarter ever again, but I'll take everything else all things considered. Great win!
Edit: on second thought, that was a bit harsh because he was playing a great game overall. But this is the Marcus Morris siren song and the team is too talented to fall for that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 17, 2018 6:09:00 GMT -5
Not sure I want Marcus Morris playing basically half of the 4th quarter ever again, but I'll take everything else all things considered. Great win! Edit: on second thought, that was a bit harsh because he was playing a great game overall. But this is the Marcus Morris siren song and the team is too talented to fall for that. I’ll try and make you feel better but it might not. This was game 1 and Stevens said before the game that Hayward’s minutes are going to be limited as will everyone else’s but not to Hayward’s extent. The Celtics have a bunch of games coming up and he doesn’t want anyone playing too much too early. Besides all that you’ll have to deal with it all year because Stevens has a history of frustrating lineups when looked at on a nightly basis but long term he has his reasons that are better for the team. Playoffs will be different but we are so far from that. |
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 17, 2018 10:05:26 GMT -5
rjp313jr said "...Playoffs will be different but we are so far from that." How can you say that there's only 81 games left!!!! We're half way there! Wait, what oops wrong sport Never mind. Gotta lay off the chowdah!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 17, 2018 10:58:56 GMT -5
Barely watched. I saw the last shot by Tatum, the Rozier 3 pointer, and the last Hayward 3 pointer. Then I smiled as the Celtics really kept the game not all that most of the whole game against one of the best opponents in the Eastern conference.
It's going to be a great year if everyone stays healthy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 17, 2018 12:24:47 GMT -5
Nice win!
I don't know how good the Sixers will be this year. Remember that team didn't take off till it added two veteran shooters at the deadline and both are now gone. Replaced by Wilson Chandler and Zhaire Smith a rookie. Smith is seen as more of a non-shooter, kinda reminds me of Tony Allen. Last game both Simmons and Fultz didn't attempt a three after reports all summer that both were working on shooting. It's why picking Smith seems like a weird thing to do with the issues of Simmons and Fultz. It really limits that team when they play two non-shooters. We'll have to wait and see what happens with that Heat pick, but the Sixers seemed to have put together a weird mix of young players. Which is shocking because that run at the end of the year and playoffs was all about three point shooting. Still amazes me they had a chance at three elite SFs and didn't get a single one. They are still likely a top four team, I'm just not sure they are a true contender unless some of those young guys can shoot.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 17, 2018 12:36:16 GMT -5
Besides all that you’ll have to deal with it all year because Stevens has a history of frustrating lineups when looked at on a nightly basis but long term he has his reasons that are better for the team. Playoffs will be different but we are so far from that. Yep, Stevens does like his "no offense" line-ups. I also expect this to be a non-issue once Hayward shakes off the rust. I just don't want to see Morris as the go to guy on the floor at any moment in the 4th. It's a terrible idea. I don't know how good the Sixers will be this year. Remember that team didn't take off till it added two veteran shooters at the deadline and both are now gone. Replaced by Wilson Chandler and Zhaire Smith a rookie. Smith is seen as more of a non-shooter, kinda reminds me of Tony Allen. Last game both Simmons and Fultz didn't attempt a three after reports all summer that both were working on shooting. It's why picking Smith seems like a weird thing to do with the issues of Simmons and Fultz. It really limits that team when they play two non-shooters. We'll have to wait and see what happens with that Heat pick, but the Sixers seemed to have put together a weird mix of young players. Which is shocking because that run at the end of the year and playoffs was all about three point shooting. Still amazes me they had a chance at three elite SFs and didn't get a single one. They are still likely a top four team, I'm just not sure they are a true contender unless some of those young guys can shoot. Imagine that team with Tatum instead of Fultz. Goddamn we dodged a bullet there on both levels. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 17, 2018 13:37:09 GMT -5
Besides all that you’ll have to deal with it all year because Stevens has a history of frustrating lineups when looked at on a nightly basis but long term he has his reasons that are better for the team. Playoffs will be different but we are so far from that. Yep, Stevens does like his "no offense" line-ups. I also expect this to be a non-issue once Hayward shakes off the rust. I just don't want to see Morris as the go to guy on the floor at any moment in the 4th. It's a terrible idea. I don't know how good the Sixers will be this year. Remember that team didn't take off till it added two veteran shooters at the deadline and both are now gone. Replaced by Wilson Chandler and Zhaire Smith a rookie. Smith is seen as more of a non-shooter, kinda reminds me of Tony Allen. Last game both Simmons and Fultz didn't attempt a three after reports all summer that both were working on shooting. It's why picking Smith seems like a weird thing to do with the issues of Simmons and Fultz. It really limits that team when they play two non-shooters. We'll have to wait and see what happens with that Heat pick, but the Sixers seemed to have put together a weird mix of young players. Which is shocking because that run at the end of the year and playoffs was all about three point shooting. Still amazes me they had a chance at three elite SFs and didn't get a single one. They are still likely a top four team, I'm just not sure they are a true contender unless some of those young guys can shoot. Imagine that team with Tatum instead of Fultz. Goddamn we dodged a bullet there on both levels. Its fun to think about it that way, but it would never had happened. If Danny wasn't 100% convinced Fultz goes one and Ball goes second he wouldn't have made that deal. He would have just taken Tatum #1. It why Tatum says Danny cost him being the first pick. I miss Chad Ford! Everyone had Fultz #1, yet he reported all year a team had Tatum #1 and I believe that was the Celtics. I miss that information. The real surprise is Fultz just can't shoot now. Like won't even take threes, after being deadly in College. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 17, 2018 15:16:35 GMT -5
Yeah Fultz isn't even close to the player he was in college. I don't know if he'll ever bounce back to that guy, but it's a uphill climb. I'll forever look dumb because I wanted the guy so badly like everyone else, but Tatum is now the man. I think he could be the best player on this team really soon. That's saying a lot with the talent on this team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 17, 2018 16:00:55 GMT -5
Yeah Fultz isn't even close to the player he was in college. I don't know if he'll ever bounce back to that guy, but it's a uphill climb. I'll forever look dumb because I wanted the guy so badly like everyone else, but Tatum is now the man. I think he could be the best player on this team really soon. That's saying a lot with the talent on this team. I wanted him too, but don’t feel dumb. One, we didn’t know an option was Tatum plus a chance at the number 2 pick in one of the next 2 drafts. Two, you can’t predict a guy losing his mind and not being able to play at all the way he had in college. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 17, 2018 16:52:32 GMT -5
Yeah Fultz isn't even close to the player he was in college. I don't know if he'll ever bounce back to that guy, but it's a uphill climb. I'll forever look dumb because I wanted the guy so badly like everyone else, but Tatum is now the man. I think he could be the best player on this team really soon. That's saying a lot with the talent on this team. I wanted him too, but don’t feel dumb. One, we didn’t know an option was Tatum plus a chance at the number 2 pick in one of the next 2 drafts. Two, you can’t predict a guy losing his mind and not being able to play at all the way he had in college. That's all true. Thank god for Danny Ainge. I think he's the best GM in Boston right now and it isn't even particularly all that close. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 18, 2018 2:42:36 GMT -5
I think I was the only guy that thought Fultz wasn't a lock as our pick. I wouldn't beat yourself over wanting him though, because no one could see this happening. I questioned his killer instinct. I didn't like how he would just disappear in games, yet he put up great numbers. That team was horrible, but Tier one guys should be able to single handly win College teams a lot of games. I would never expect him to beat UCLA, yet when his team needed him he was no where to be found. They got down big and then he shows up. Yet this isn't no Killer Instinct, this is he has huge mental issues. Its in his head now and if he can't snap out of it soon he might never again be the same player.
One thing to note, Tatum was the top guy before the College season started. As with Brown Danny overlooked the fact neither player lived up to his ranking. It was rather small with Tatum and huge with Brown.
Even if he can't shoot, Fultz can still be a good player. He'll just never live up to being a #1 pick. Nevermind one that also cost another really high pick.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 18, 2018 6:17:30 GMT -5
Yeah good point. The Fultz pick set "the process" back not only one, but 2 years in the draft.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 18, 2018 11:33:04 GMT -5
The funny part is why did the Sixers feel the need to move up to get Fultz? It was the worst secret in the draft that the Lakers were taking Ball at #2. Teams don't trade the rights to tier one guys. I'd have to go check Ford's rankings again, but I don't think a single one was ever traded besides Wiggins for Love. It was widely reported that a team with a high lottery pick had Tatum #1 all year. So it never once crossed the Sixers mind that either Danny didn't like Fultz or he liked someone else more? Even a guy like Josh Jackson seemed like a perfect fit for the Celtics sytle.
It's like they wanted Fultz so bad, they did whatever it took and never once thought it through. Danny isn't stupid, he wins most trades. He wouldn't trade a tier one guy he liked for anything! Which should have been a red flag for Philly. Why is he willing to trade a tier one guy? Does he think there are three tier one guys? On paper Fultz made more sense then either Tatum or Jackson. He could play the two and be the long-term replacement for Thomas. So it wasn't about fit. I guess you can talk yourself into thinking it was about the other pick, but with the protections on it, it really limited the chance at getting a tier one guy. Heck a bunch of drafts don't even have tier one guys and if by crazy luck that pick ends up at #1 we get Philly's pick. It's just funny because they could have stayed at #3 and got Fultz!
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 18, 2018 12:16:18 GMT -5
Yeah good point. The Fultz pick set "the process" back not only one, but 2 years in the draft. The dirty little secret that no one talks about is the Sixers haven’t done a great job with their picks. Okafor and Noel were busts and Fultz isn’t off to a good start and Tatum would have fit their team perfectly. Imagine the length they’d have with Simmons, Embiid and Tatum? My god... Saric has been a good pick so i give them credit there. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 18, 2018 12:24:18 GMT -5
I think I was the only guy that thought Fultz wasn't a lock as our pick. I wouldn't beat yourself over wanting him though, because no one could see this happening. I questioned his killer instinct. Yeah this only turned into a concern for me after the draft, but maybe for other reasons. I believe there was an interview where he sounded cooked out of his mind wearing 2 watches and then there was that instagram thing where he thanked [INSERT CITY] for taking him. Let's be honest here, dude has all the makings of being a stoner. You don't take guys like that high in the draft. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 18, 2018 14:05:03 GMT -5
I think I was the only guy that thought Fultz wasn't a lock as our pick. I wouldn't beat yourself over wanting him though, because no one could see this happening. I questioned his killer instinct. Yeah this only turned into a concern for me after the draft, but maybe for other reasons. I believe there was an interview where he sounded cooked out of his mind wearing 2 watches and then there was that instagram thing where he thanked [INSERT CITY] for taking him. Let's be honest here, dude has all the makings of being a stoner. You don't take guys like that high in the draft. Lol that's a funny reach. Not being snark either. I could see it. I don't what else to explain why this guy sucks now. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 18, 2018 14:27:24 GMT -5
Lol that's a funny reach. Not being snark either. I could see it. I don't what else to explain why this guy sucks now. He just looks unfocused overall. Maybe he's just a goofy kid and it's probably unfair to imply someone I'll never know in my life is a stoner, but the other alternative is that he doesn't have the mental fortitude for such a public position. Which is fine in a humanity sort of way, but it's a bleaker attribute for his future. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 19, 2018 12:50:37 GMT -5
To the surprise of absolutely no one, the Lakers weren't very good on their first night. I just don't see how that team plays enough defense to go anywhere and I'd love to see a Lebron team missing the playoffs.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 19, 2018 14:58:31 GMT -5
Small sample, BUT the Celtic's played 9 guys 20 to 25 minutes in the first game. That is a BIG deal if that stays that way most of the year. Come playoff time the final rotation will be a little tighter, but they will all be rested. Big plus when you play in May against a team that has guys who have played 35 minutes a game to get where they are. They certainly look strong. Looking forward to tonight's game. How do they match up against Toronto.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 19, 2018 15:13:01 GMT -5
Still think 60 wins is more in line with what will happen at year end. Assuming no injuries, would not surprise me that Danny takes advantage of an opportunity and makes a trade. Maybe Morris. Maybe even Rozier. He is not going to give either away for a bag of balls. Just saying, a desperate team with a playoff berth at stake comes with an offer he can not refuse. Danny seems outstanding at finding those type of deals. Long term he needs/ wants to control salary. Long term he always appears to be looking at long term an draft picks etc. I think Umass said that potentially that the Celtic's have 4 1st round picks next year. Whatever happens the Celtic's are in excellent shape for this season and the long term .
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 19, 2018 16:09:35 GMT -5
To the surprise of absolutely no one, the Lakers weren't very good on their first night. I just don't see how that team plays enough defense to go anywhere and I'd love to see a Lebron team missing the playoffs. LA is where LeBron went to go sell himself to Hollywood, not to play basketball. What a bad move for basketball when he went there. By the time that team might be championship good, he might be out of his prime. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2018 16:53:40 GMT -5
Fultz has made his first career NBA three, after the Bulls litterally didn't guard him and left him wide open.
LeBron wanting to be GM has kinda killed the Lakers. The I want Vets, so we dump Randle to get Rondo. Which by itself is just stupid. More so when Rondo takes away from Ball minutes. Just stupid crap right there
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2018 18:10:46 GMT -5
Anyone find it weird that Bird is still on the team? There’s got to be a lot more to this story.
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