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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2018 18:11:26 GMT -5
Small sample, BUT the Celtic's played 9 guys 20 to 25 minutes in the first game. That is a BIG deal if that stays that way most of the year. Come playoff time the final rotation will be a little tighter, but they will all be rested. Big plus when you play in May against a team that has guys who have played 35 minutes a game to get where they are. They certainly look strong. Looking forward to tonight's game. How do they match up against Toronto. That’s not going to happen, but Stevens is taking advantage of the ability to sell easing guys back into things. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 19, 2018 20:09:17 GMT -5
Anyone find it weird that Bird is still on the team? There’s got to be a lot more to this story. I think that if the NBA investigation reveals that Bird violated the domestic violence policy, they can void his contract and the Celtics can get off of his fully-guaranteed salary this year, but if they release him now, they're on the hook for that salary. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 19, 2018 21:52:38 GMT -5
I missed the game from the 2nd quarter until halfway through the 4th. Why did Morris play more minutes than Jaylen and why wasn't Jaylen on the court during the waning moments of the game?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2018 9:10:19 GMT -5
I missed the game from the 2nd quarter until halfway through the 4th. Why did Morris play more minutes than Jaylen and why wasn't Jaylen on the court during the waning moments of the game? I think Stevens is simultaneously experimenting and giving guys minutes early for experience when he wouldn’t in the playoffs. They play again tonight in NY and then again Monday. It’s 3 in 4 early in the year. It’s not that he’s not trying to win last nights game it’s that he expects that lineup to be able to do it too and the only way you can is by giving the chance. Also, will make it easier to sit guys when they were given chances and didn’t come thru. I’m not happy they lost last night as Toronto is a team that should worry us; always had our number. However, it won’t hurt long term for this team to have some wake up calls against good teams. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 20, 2018 11:16:15 GMT -5
I’m not happy they lost last night as Toronto is a team that should worry us; always had our number. However, it won’t hurt long term for this team to have some wake up calls against good teams. Yeah, this early in the season it's about the smaller stuff. One great thing about last night is how much better Kyrie looked than on his first game. Hayward still looks slow and tentative, but he's too talented not to be alright at some point. I'm a bit more worried about the rotations even though I trust in Stevens. There's no reason Morris should have been on the floor for that long in the 4th. If it's about offense, bring in Jaylen. If he wants defense, bring in Smart. Too many good options to rely on suboptimal ones. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 12:29:56 GMT -5
Meh, get back to me in March. Leonard will probably be crying and pull himself out for the year in Toronto due to a fake injury. Guy is a flake.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2018 12:34:22 GMT -5
Only watched like the last quarter and a half on my cell phone, but it seemed Stevens was indeed rotating guys like crazy. Like I noticed Rozier came in and then came out after a few minutes. Brown was in there in the fourth, he missed those two free throws. As for the waning minutes I remember Morris picked up a foul and Rozier came in for him. I really don't know if Brown was in the game, I don't think so.I have to say going from a 60" TV to a cellphone just sucks. It just highlights the problem with all this talent that I kept talking about. Its like Stevens has no clue how to get everyone minutes. Nevermind anytime you play a Morris, Baynes, Rozier or Smart at the end of the game you will have a guy like Brown on the bench.
It does look like this team will need time to gel and figure things out. They have so much talent they will just run over good to bad teams. Yet against a very good team, late in the game when they normally dominate they almost looked lost. Hayward while looking better is not even close to back to being himself. He looks healthy, but rusty, which isn't a surprise. You got Rozier and Irving both go back for the ball wanting to be the PG. It was rather surprising to watch. I'll also give credit to the Raptors, they played really well and were red hot at the end. Ibaka was dominate, he looked like the Ibaka from 5 years ago.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 20:34:17 GMT -5
The Celtics are certainly playing down to their competition tonight. Tatum is the only player that can put the ball in the bucket tonight so far. Ton of turnovers, ton of missed shots, still they should beat this Knick team easily.
My first game of the year that I watched, and no Hayward. Not unexpected or anything.
I expect Hayward won't play a back to back until Feburary. At that point, if you're healthy, maybe you trade Morris by that point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 20:43:18 GMT -5
Missing Free throws in this game too. Missed half of them. Brutal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 20:58:46 GMT -5
Lol wow WHAT A SHOT by Tatum with 20 seconds to go and the shot clock going to 0. I love this kid. He's got that killer instinct.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2018 21:10:42 GMT -5
They played like crap!
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 21, 2018 5:48:54 GMT -5
The Auerbach Celtics used to kill opponents out of the gate and people would speculate that they were playing too hard....save energy for wins later in the season. Auerbach's answer was a win in October was just as important as a win in May. Taking preseason with the first few games and we don't look like the mass-predicted juggernaut.
Sure it's early and we have to blend the talent. But nothing is given.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 21, 2018 8:10:47 GMT -5
Yes it is early in the season. Yes games in October are just as important as April. To me it breaks down into 2 areas. First up, is it is early in the season and they are a little sloppy. To be expected, but not accepted. You do not play as a superstar each night for 82 games. The basketball gods were not with the team last night, but they still won. Second, they have 9 starters. Stevens and the players trying to figure out roles. Who takes the shot? Who plays at what time during the game? By the end of the season when it counts they will have it figured out. I think with the deph that they have they will be the number one seed. Philly needs to pick up some outside shooting to balance out against the poor shooting of big Ben and the fultz guy. For Toronto to win KL and lowey have to play a lot. How well will they hold up against the constant pounding? Does Tatum become the second option behind kyrie? As I said before this is going to be a very interesting few months for Brad to figure out the pecking order of the players and who plays /how many minutes every night. Great problem to have. I think Brad will figure it out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 21, 2018 10:07:41 GMT -5
The Auerbach Celtics used to kill opponents out of the gate and people would speculate that they were playing too hard....save energy for wins later in the season. Auerbach's answer was a win in October was just as important as a win in May. Taking preseason with the first few games and we don't look like the mass-predicted juggernaut. Sure it's early and we have to blend the talent. But nothing is given. It's a different situation with this team this year. 2 of your best players is coming back from injuries and surgeries. They can't really come out Gung ho and throw everything they need to win at a opponent and they shouldn't. This team should walk backwards to the 1rst or 2nd seed at worst in the conference. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 21, 2018 16:30:17 GMT -5
I'll admit, I've yet to watch a full game, more like 3-4 quarters. What I see though is about what I expected. All the talent is having a hard time meshing together. Rozier and Irving kinda not knowing or fighting to get the ball and act as PG. A lot of one on one ball. A lack of grit and toughness for stretches. Other teams out hustling them. Last game Irving demanding the ball when he sucked all game from Tatum. He litterally ran right up to him and followed him into the paint wanting the ball. Tatum hit that huge shot. So I hate seeing that, Irving needs to trust his teammates. Heck Tatum might be a better option right now, he takes easier shots!
It will likely work itself out, but we aren't close to in synch right now.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 22, 2018 5:39:00 GMT -5
I'll admit, I've yet to watch a full game, more like 3-4 quarters. What I see though is about what I expected. All the talent is having a hard time meshing together. Rozier and Irving kinda not knowing or fighting to get the ball and act as PG. A lot of one on one ball. A lack of grit and toughness for stretches. Other teams out hustling them. Last game Irving demanding the ball when he sucked all game from Tatum. He litterally ran right up to him and followed him into the paint wanting the ball. Tatum hit that huge shot. So I hate seeing that, Irving needs to trust his teammates. Heck Tatum might be a better option right now, he takes easier shots! It will likely work itself out, but we aren't close to in synch right now. It looks like that Tatum could be the number one option lots of nights this season. Does kyrie defer or let his ego get in the way? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 6:10:43 GMT -5
I'll admit, I've yet to watch a full game, more like 3-4 quarters. What I see though is about what I expected. All the talent is having a hard time meshing together. Rozier and Irving kinda not knowing or fighting to get the ball and act as PG. A lot of one on one ball. A lack of grit and toughness for stretches. Other teams out hustling them. Last game Irving demanding the ball when he sucked all game from Tatum. He litterally ran right up to him and followed him into the paint wanting the ball. Tatum hit that huge shot. So I hate seeing that, Irving needs to trust his teammates. Heck Tatum might be a better option right now, he takes easier shots! It will likely work itself out, but we aren't close to in synch right now. It looks like that Tatum could be the number one option lots of nights this season. Does kyrie defer or let his ego get in the way? Kyrie will defer at times but he’s also one of the best scorers on the league including in the fourth so we want him with the ball too. Kyrie took 16 shots vs the Knicks, let’s not act like he was just jacking it up on his own. The offense isn’t clicking though and it’s too much 1 v 1 from everyone. Especially from Kyrie, Rozier, Tatum and Morris. Early season struggles are good for this team though. Knock them down a few pegs. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 22, 2018 13:23:37 GMT -5
I'll admit, I've yet to watch a full game, more like 3-4 quarters. What I see though is about what I expected. All the talent is having a hard time meshing together. Rozier and Irving kinda not knowing or fighting to get the ball and act as PG. A lot of one on one ball. A lack of grit and toughness for stretches. Other teams out hustling them. Last game Irving demanding the ball when he sucked all game from Tatum. He litterally ran right up to him and followed him into the paint wanting the ball. Tatum hit that huge shot. So I hate seeing that, Irving needs to trust his teammates. Heck Tatum might be a better option right now, he takes easier shots! It will likely work itself out, but we aren't close to in synch right now. It looks like that Tatum could be the number one option lots of nights this season. Does kyrie defer or let his ego get in the way? I don't know if I say defer, more like trust and let him do his thing. Its not like Irving didn't get his shots, he did. It was just like last year though, he thought it was all him again. He acted like no way anyone but him should have the ball. That needs to stop. It recent memory I can't remember a player acting like Irving did. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 22, 2018 13:45:27 GMT -5
It looks like that Tatum could be the number one option lots of nights this season. Does kyrie defer or let his ego get in the way? Kyrie will defer at times but he’s also one of the best scorers on the league including in the fourth so we want him with the ball too. Kyrie took 16 shots vs the Knicks, let’s not act like he was just jacking it up on his own. The offense isn’t clicking though and it’s too much 1 v 1 from everyone. Especially from Kyrie, Rozier, Tatum and Morris. Early season struggles are good for this team though. Knock them down a few pegs. Did you watch that play? Yea he's a great scorer and you want him with the ball, but that was one of the most selfish non-team things I've ever seen. He acted like no way no one but me deserves the ball. That is a huge difference. I kept saying Irving buying into team ball was key and so far that isn't the case. The great team ball when Irving was out is gone, we look more like the Rockets lately. Stevens should really consider starting Smart or Rozier as the PG and have Brown come off the bench. While letting those two know their #1 goal is running the offense and getting good ball movement. Watching Rozier acore 8 ppints in like a minute and a half showed his ability, but also how this team has changed. He wasn't taking that many shots not within our offense last year. So its not just Irving, but Irving seen as the best player and guy with the ball the most has to lead by example or have the ball taken away to some degree. I really can't believe what I am watching. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 16:17:41 GMT -5
Kyrie will defer at times but he’s also one of the best scorers on the league including in the fourth so we want him with the ball too. Kyrie took 16 shots vs the Knicks, let’s not act like he was just jacking it up on his own. The offense isn’t clicking though and it’s too much 1 v 1 from everyone. Especially from Kyrie, Rozier, Tatum and Morris. Early season struggles are good for this team though. Knock them down a few pegs. Did you watch that play? Yea he's a great scorer and you want him with the ball, but that was one of the most selfish non-team things I've ever seen. He acted like no way no one but me deserves the ball. That is a huge difference. I kept saying Irving buying into team ball was key and so far that isn't the case. The great team ball when Irving was out is gone, we look more like the Rockets lately. Stevens should really consider starting Smart or Rozier as the PG and have Brown come off the bench. While letting those two know their #1 goal is running the offense and getting good ball movement. Watching Rozier acore 8 ppints in like a minute and a half showed his ability, but also how this team has changed. He wasn't taking that many shots not within our offense last year. So its not just Irving, but Irving seen as the best player and guy with the ball the most has to lead by example or have the ball taken away to some degree. I really can't believe what I am watching. They’ve played 3 games. Most teams don’t have things humming after 3 games. |
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Post by ianrs on Oct 22, 2018 19:00:35 GMT -5
Celtics looking like crap again, and looked like crap all preseason. Not sure why Smart is taking mid-range 2's or why Marcus Morris is getting as many minutes as he is.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 22, 2018 20:30:02 GMT -5
Celtics looking like crap again, and looked like crap all preseason. Not sure why Smart is taking mid-range 2's or why Marcus Morris is getting as many minutes as he is. Morris is getting minutes because it's early and they need to take it easy on Hayward. The Celtics have looked like crap all year so far. Disappointing stuff. |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 22, 2018 20:44:02 GMT -5
Nice performance tonight.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 22, 2018 21:02:41 GMT -5
Jaylen absolutely inherited the same thing that Avery used to do when he was around: when he's having a bad night it looks like he absolutely forgot how to play basketball. Add that to Kyrie and Hayward still being somewhat rusty, notorious small baller Al Horford doing the small things that don't show up in the boxscore but not enough of anything else and Tatum still being prone to inconsistencies and tonight shouldn't be a surprise.
It's worrisome given how terrible they looked during the preseason.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 23, 2018 6:50:43 GMT -5
Defense did not look as committed early on last night ...and currently we are a gang that can't shoot straight.
I hope Williams gets some play.
Has Ojeleye slimmed down?
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