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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 20, 2018 13:01:58 GMT -5
Brad is spectacular at watching an entire lead evaporate right before his eyes and refusing to call a timeout. Really I think he's letting them take it on the chin a few times to see if they wake up. He didn't suddenly morph from a genius coach to a dub. But, envisioning 60 wins, a finals appearance and multiple 2019 high draft picks, feels far away....a negative trifecta. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2018 14:04:06 GMT -5
we aren't running our offense and playing team ball. Moving the ball creates mismatches and lanes for guys to drive. We are just shooting jumpers this year. This is getting really annoying. You act like you know their offense and then blame it on Kyrie for not running it. You’re just making up what you want to be true. For example, Baynes is jacking 3s because that’s the offense. The ball is being moved guys are just settling for 3s or mid range jumpers. Rozier sucking and not attacking the rim is on him not any one else. Brown acting like this team already earned a spot in the finals and taking that to his play is on him not any one else. Actually, it’s also on the coach. They are playing like guys who can’t play with any pressure or expectations. They need to pick their play up along with Tatum and Hayward (has an excuse) and Horford we well. The feeling is mutual my friend. I'm a die hard Celtics fan, yea I do think I know what Brad wants for offense. I literally have heard the words out of his mouth. I see how the young guys he molded like Rozier and Smart run his offense and then how Irving does. Even Thomas who would drive me crazy when he'd stop passing and just go all scorer mode ran it better the majority of the time. Brad's offense is all about ball movement. Yea he doesn't mind threes if they come within the offense, but he wants that ball movement where all 5 guys are touching the ball most series. He wants you working into inside and getting good looks off of that. It's litterally why Danny built a team full of slashers that can also shoot. He didn't go after pure shooters like Murray, who if your going to play the way they are now would be a better fit. The ESPN article highlights our issues and how players are playing off of Irving. He's certainly not our only issue, but he's not even close to a perfect for this team the way he's currently playing. Teams play off of the PG, the guy that has the ball the most. Its why things are so different when Irving plays and Rozier plays. It was my worry before the season that Irving would go back to his slower paced ways and you agreed that we needed to play faster given the talent. As the ESPN articles says things like Irving averaging a career low in FT attempts is an issue, he's not attacking enough and its rubbing off on other players. The same way Rozier attacking like crazy even if he missed a lot of them rubbed off on the other players end of last year and the playoffs. The same way that Smarts hustle and grit rubs off on players when he plays. Teams feed off of their best player that has the ball the most. This team ranking 28th in FT attempts is a massive issue. They ranked 20th last year for example. Steven's deserves a ton of the blame also, because what he's doing isn't helping. He seems more worried about keeping guys happy than trying to fix our issues. The fact he started Baynes played him 7 minutes and played Hayward 31 minutes is mind boggling. He didn't change a thing, just who started. The fact he let a double digit lead just disappear without doing anything is crazy. They never recovered from that! This team has a crazy amount of issues. It sure seems Steven's is way too nice to have this much talent. Most coaches would try shortening the bench in times like this or actually try making real lineup changes. |
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Post by ramireja on Nov 20, 2018 16:28:20 GMT -5
Its crazy to think that if the season ended today (reminder: it doesn't), both the Memphis and Clippers' 2019 1st round draft picks would go to the Celts. Even crazier...of Boston's four 1st round picks...their own pick (or the SAC pick depending on the tiebreaker) would be their highest.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 20, 2018 22:04:50 GMT -5
Who'd a thunk. Best laid plans.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2018 2:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 21, 2018 11:04:40 GMT -5
They were even more extreme at this during the IT days and that team was pretty good. This is only a problem because everyone on the roster other than Kyrie is playing like sh*t. This is why your point on Kyrie is so misguided, he's not in the way of (currently) great players, he's saving a middling bunch. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2018 14:27:06 GMT -5
Thomas in a way had no other choice, look at the difference in talent. Guys like Bradley and Crowder couldn't create offense. I still think those teams were better when Thomas was more of a passer than just scorer.
Sorry but I just have to laugh because this team that you think is playing like sh#t is the same team that almost made the finals without Irving. Its what I've been saying since last year. He just takes over for stretches and everyone sits around and watches. Players need rhythm and touches to stay involved in the offense. That article highlights how Irving isn't playing team ball. Kinda hard to argue other guys can't step up when over 75% of the shots in close games are being taken by two players. Other players aren't even getting the chance.
That is the difference from when Rozier was PG last year, everyone was involved. End of games was Rozier, Tatum, Brown, Horford, heck even Smart. Brown and Rozier would be horrible going like 1 for 8, then follow that up with being on fire. No matter how anyone was playing it was team ball and everyone was involved.
I had big worries about Brown. Yea you could always see the upside, yet he's the anti Tatum in so many ways. Yet the way we played last year during the playoffs, changed my opinion. A quicker style with him heavily involved opened my eyes. Everything you see this year would happen last year, he's just not getting the chance to play through his bad stretches and we aren't playing at a faster pace. That pace got us a ton of wide open looks from three last year that benefited everyone. Nevermind the easier looks at the basket in transition.
We need to get back to team ball like last year and then have Irving. That is a Championship level team. One thing I do love about LeBron is he gets that. When his teammates suck because he goes crazy scoring mode, he accepts that's on him. He needs to do more to involve them and he does. We saw that first hand in the playoffs. He'd come out and make sure his teammates got their shots and were involved. That is the next step that Irving needs to take if he wants to be great and win Championships without a guy like LeBron. Hopefully that is the good that comes from this mess.
If you want to keep playing this way then its likely time to trade Rozier and Brown. See if you can get a guy like Bradley Beal. He fits this style like a glove. There is a reason why the Cavs surrounded that cast with guys that didn't need the ball like Smith, Korver, Frye, etc.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 21, 2018 20:08:07 GMT -5
Getting tired of watching this team struggle against the drudges of the league.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 21, 2018 20:14:43 GMT -5
Brown sucks, Morris sucks, Hayward sucks. The Celtics don't have anyone that can score besides Tatum and Kyrie on this team.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 21, 2018 20:20:38 GMT -5
Losing to 20 to the Knicks at home. Disgraceful.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 21, 2018 20:22:22 GMT -5
The play of Jalen Brown has been a embarrassment all season.
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Post by ianrs on Nov 21, 2018 20:23:33 GMT -5
If you still feel like the Celts are a 1 or 2 seed in this East you are seriously dreaming.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 21, 2018 20:39:59 GMT -5
No he can't.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 21, 2018 21:17:25 GMT -5
Stunning. This is seriously rock bottom. I don't even know what to say.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2018 21:18:03 GMT -5
Given this game I have two things to say, A. Who's the girl in grey behind the Knicks coach? and B. I hope Brad is taking notes how to use timeouts to stop runs.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 21, 2018 21:59:52 GMT -5
The record says we are a .500 team now...not for long if this keeps up.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 21, 2018 22:23:01 GMT -5
The record says we are a .500 team now...not for long if this keeps up. Yeah it's terrible. And it's not only the record, it's how they looked doing it. Brad looks like a coach that has lost his team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2018 16:08:27 GMT -5
I kinda look at the Knicks game and think they played better than it seemed. Still issues, the rotations are just stupid, too many players. In a way your better off not playing Rozier than using him like that. Give the other guys more minutes. Still think Haywards minutes need to be reduced. Clear as day he's no where near 100%. He seems afraid to drive to the basket. Yet the Knicks were on fire from deep and made some tough shots. You can't blame the D for Trey Burkes 3 with it a three point game with what 30 seconds left. Step back fade away three, like 3 feet behind the line and he just drills it. Those guys made a ton of crazy hard shots in the second half.
I will say that since that Article and the ones that followed Irving has been a lot better at making a big effort to get guys going. Outside the dud against the Jazz he has two 11 assist games and a 13 assist game. Given this offense, that is the Irving we need. He should average close to ten assists a game. Third quarter he single handedly got Brown going by looking for him in the post a ton. Sure I hate how that just stops after the 3rd quarter, but its progress. He was a different player after getting those easy baskets. We need to increase post ups. Call me crazy but I want way more post ups. I want Brown getting 10 chances like that a game. While the Knicks hit crazy hard shots, we were missing a ton of easy open shots.
At the same time, why does Irving always need to be the center of attention? First it was the world is flat crap, then we need a 14 to 15 year vet, the f#ck Thanksgiving crap, then I'm only playing till early 30s maybe mid 30's. Oh how I wish it would be I'm focusing on the Hawks and fixing the Celtics woes. Nothing huge, if we were winning it would just be something to laugh about likely. Just not the type of crap I want to hear about when we are losing three straight games to teams we should be beating.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 23, 2018 16:31:13 GMT -5
At the same time, why does Irving always need to be the center of attention? First it was the world is flat crap, then we need a 14 to 15 year vet, the f#ck Thanksgiving crap, then I'm only playing till early 30s maybe mid 30's. Oh how I wish it would be I'm focusing on the Hawks and fixing the Celtics woes. Nothing huge, if we were winning it would just be something to laugh about likely. Just not the type of crap I want to hear about when we are losing three straight games to teams we should be beating. I don't know man, Irving is a zany but very well articulated dude. I find his personality fascinating, he's smart like Jaylen Brown but he's a conspiracy theorist at heart. I like it, I find it much more appealing than Marcus Smart rapping about his salary or Marcus Morris talking about literally anything. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 23, 2018 20:17:43 GMT -5
Celtics playing up to their talent level tonight. It's hard to know if this is a one game blip against a lottery team again, but I'll take any win at this point.
I love Semi's energy off the bench in this game.
I'm done with Morris myself too. Just trade the guy for anything. Addition by subtraction. Give Semi some of his minutes.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 23, 2018 20:37:24 GMT -5
And...what happened in 2Q???
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 23, 2018 20:49:24 GMT -5
And...what happened in 2Q??? Nothing did happen IMO, just the ebb and flow of a game. The main thing to take away from this game is that Hayward is slowly beginning to round into form and seriously that would be HUGE especially considering Jaylen Brown has basketball dementia right now. I agree 100% with umass that there are too many guys getting minutes which means they're all not getting enough minutes. I wouldn't mind if Danny traded someone away even if only to add by subtracting. And I really wouldn't mind if that someone is Marcus Morris. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 23, 2018 21:31:25 GMT -5
They fought through the ease off of the 2Q well (I am just following on ESPN Gamecast) and are pushing to the end....glad to see this rebound game. Now, to sustain it (esp against top tier teams)
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 23, 2018 22:15:25 GMT -5
76ers lost to the Cavs, glad we're not the only team that still hasn't found IT.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 24, 2018 22:31:27 GMT -5
Celtics are literally puking all over themselves to begin this 4th quarter down by 8.
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