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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2018 21:50:02 GMT -5
You want an example of bad ball movement just watch like the last three minutes of that game. Hayward and Tatum never even touched the ball.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 22:30:19 GMT -5
You want an example of bad ball movement just watch like the last three minutes of that game. Hayward and Tatum never even touched the ball. Yeah it was bad. The play they ran after that timeout was... I don't even know what to call it. The execution and effort just fell apart like crazy in the second half. Danny needs to figure out what we can expect out of Horford this season and if it's not good then he should get a big tomorrow. Or he might as well trade everyone and rebuild. |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 19, 2018 22:37:12 GMT -5
You want an example of bad ball movement just watch like the last three minutes of that game. Hayward and Tatum never even touched the ball. Yeah it was bad. The play they ran after that timeout was... I don't even know what to call it. The execution and effort just fell apart like crazy in the second half. Danny needs to figure out what we can expect out of Horford this season and if it's not good then he should get a big tomorrow. Or he might as well trade everyone and rebuild. Lol stop |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 22:38:15 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. Fire Brad instead. Edit: just to clarify, I wasn't saying they should rebuild, but they might as well if the frontcourt doesn't get addressed. They're awfully short on big men and they just got killed on rebounds tonight. It would have helped if Jaylen could have been bothered to pick more than a single rebound in 23 minutes, but with Baynes out and Horford out things could get messy. |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 19, 2018 22:40:54 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. Fire Brad instead. Yup, that’s definitely something I’ve suggested. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 22:52:02 GMT -5
Yup, that’s definitely something I’ve suggested. We're allowed to get frustrated when the team loses at home to the Suns (getting dominated at the second half even). |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 20, 2018 8:42:35 GMT -5
Yup, that’s definitely something I’ve suggested. We're allowed to get frustrated when the team loses at home to the Suns (getting dominated at the second half even). My apologies after reading your edit. But I disagree about the getting frustrated part. Everyone on this board should strive to be more level-headed like me. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 20, 2018 11:01:03 GMT -5
Brad's not holding back in his post game comments. Will this entire season just be a grind and a slog? Complaining about his team - "sloppy" etc - is one thing...but what will/can he do about it?
Hoping that they get fired up when facing better teams...we shall see. Williams' development will certainly have to be accelerated.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 20, 2018 12:32:35 GMT -5
My apologies after reading your edit. But I disagree about the getting frustrated part. Everyone on this board should strive to be more level-headed like me. Not here though, the Celtics thread is officially no man's land. Mods even allow us to swear. Which we need it because how else could we describe whatever the heck Jaylen Brown was last night. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 20, 2018 17:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 20, 2018 19:32:40 GMT -5
While their offense is still obviously ridiculous, their defense has quietly been very pedestrian and let's be honest here these guys hate each other. I think they could be beaten. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 20, 2018 20:29:01 GMT -5
My point in posting that was to show getting star players to change and buy into a system can be very hard. We don't run the Warriors offense exactly, but its similar. Given our talent you need to run an offense like that. Kerr we need to pass more, Durant we need to pass less. I think that is a struggle our team is having.
I don't even really care about wins and losses right not, just them playing the right way. After 8 good games then Detriot. No biggie given it was the third game in 4th night. Yet it was more of the same against the Suns. We were crazy thin. Yet when we struggle they go right back to one on one basketball and the ball just stops moving. When Tatum and Hayward litterally aren't touching the ball for three minutes that is about as bad as it gets.
Danny doesn't sound like he'll add anyone. I don't expect a Vet, but why not sign a guy to a two way contract just for short-term depth? Only one two way contract and not replacing Bird is hurting our depth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 21, 2018 8:21:19 GMT -5
My point in posting that was to show getting star players to change and buy into a system can be very hard. We don't run the Warriors offense exactly, but its similar. Given our talent you need to run an offense like that. Kerr we need to pass more, Durant we need to pass less. I think that is a struggle our team is having. I don't even really care about wins and losses right not, just them playing the right way. After 8 good games then Detriot. No biggie given it was the third game in 4th night. Yet it was more of the same against the Suns. We were crazy thin. Yet when we struggle they go right back to one on one basketball and the ball just stops moving. When Tatum and Hayward litterally aren't touching the ball for three minutes that is about as bad as it gets. Danny doesn't sound like he'll add anyone. I don't expect a Vet, but why not sign a guy to a two way contract just for short-term depth? Only one two way contract and not replacing Bird is hurting our depth. They can’t until they cut Bird and they can’t do that until this investigation is done with so they can get their money back. I don’t think a 2 way contract is affecting them though. As it is Dozier doesn’t even play. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 21, 2018 8:24:32 GMT -5
Their second unit is hurting them right now and it’s supposed to be a strength. They are having huge first quarters then lousy second which let’s teams back in. Even if they are up 15 they need to always have Tatum or Kyrie on the court and impress upon the team a killer instinct. Gives Tatum a clear message he’s a number 2 and big time scorer so get after it. If Rozier always has 2 of Kyrie, Tatum and Hayward on the court with him there shouldn’t be an excuse (in the team not Terry) for team production dropping.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 21, 2018 9:07:30 GMT -5
I did here mention of a potentially adding a big on a 2-way deal but, agree, that would be for emergency purposes only. Wouldn't move the needle.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2018 14:32:43 GMT -5
My point in posting that was to show getting star players to change and buy into a system can be very hard. We don't run the Warriors offense exactly, but its similar. Given our talent you need to run an offense like that. Kerr we need to pass more, Durant we need to pass less. I think that is a struggle our team is having. I don't even really care about wins and losses right not, just them playing the right way. After 8 good games then Detriot. No biggie given it was the third game in 4th night. Yet it was more of the same against the Suns. We were crazy thin. Yet when we struggle they go right back to one on one basketball and the ball just stops moving. When Tatum and Hayward litterally aren't touching the ball for three minutes that is about as bad as it gets. Danny doesn't sound like he'll add anyone. I don't expect a Vet, but why not sign a guy to a two way contract just for short-term depth? Only one two way contract and not replacing Bird is hurting our depth. They can’t until they cut Bird and they can’t do that until this investigation is done with so they can get their money back. I don’t think a 2 way contract is affecting them though. As it is Dozier doesn’t even play. The Celtics can do whatever they want with Bird. His money isn't much and means nothing unless we are going to try and get under the cap. Well yea Dozier is a SG, our injuries are on the ftont court. Oh how I wish we had signed Hassan Martin. There any injury or foul trouble away from being crazy thin. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2018 15:32:56 GMT -5
Their second unit is hurting them right now and it’s supposed to be a strength. They are having huge first quarters then lousy second which let’s teams back in. Even if they are up 15 they need to always have Tatum or Kyrie on the court and impress upon the team a killer instinct. Gives Tatum a clear message he’s a number 2 and big time scorer so get after it. If Rozier always has 2 of Kyrie, Tatum and Hayward on the court with him there shouldn’t be an excuse (in the team not Terry) for team production dropping. Well when a crap load of the second unit is playing with the starters your bench won't be any good. We keep seeing Rozier, Irving, and Smart playing together. Not because the other team went small, but because we don't have any other options. It helped kill us on the boards and those three seem to struggle together. In theory it should increase ball movement and scoring. It didn't. It was more like no one was playing PG and all three were shooting guards. All parked on the three point line taking three pointers. Brad needs to define PG duties. I think Rozier or Smart should run the show in those lineups. But you had Irving doing a lot of it in the 4th quarter. It sure doesn't help that they were forced to play Williams in that lineup. A guy that kills ball movement because he's so raw. You just had no choice because while Williams wasn't great against Ayton he was a lot better than Theis who just got killed. Yea a lot of this is because Brown seems to be getting worse not better and was almost not playable. We need to get healthy, define positons and roles again and get back to playing team basketball. Once again way too many jumpers and that 3 point to FT ratio is horrible. Especially considering 4 of those attempts came very late in the 4th quarter. I didn't get to watch the whole game just the last quarter and a half. Did they run any plays for Brown in the post? I hate that its gotten to this point, yet you need to rebuild his confidence and get him going. So have him attack the rim in the post, yet you need to help him with that by running plays or having guys create for him. You also need him in the post and rim running, not sitting at the three point line. I really don't even now what to say anymore. Its one step forward, two steps back. The last three minutes of that game was about as bad as it gets. Zero ball movement and that was because Irving just tried to take over yet again. I really don't care how many shots he takes as long as they are within the offense. You want a perfect example of times when Irving is a net negative, go watch the last three minutes. Hayward and Tatum never even touched the ball. Irving the scorer just tried to takeover and he just stops acting like a PG. Thomas used to take over games, yet he never did it the way Irving does. I'm not blaming Irving for the loss, just pointing out that is a huge issue. It's like Smart and Rozier need to stop idolizing Irving and take the ball out of his hands. I just can't watch anymore of that crap, it just never works unless Irving catches fire. We will never be a championship quality team playing that way. No offense but Irving isn't that good, heck even LeBron isn't that good. No one is, Basketball is a team sport. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 21, 2018 17:38:56 GMT -5
Hayward and Brown are in the second unit. They are starters not sure how swapping them for Smart and Morris should make that second until worse.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2018 17:51:20 GMT -5
Brown started last game, no Morris. Baynes went down so Theis and Williams played big minutes with the starters along with Hayward. That's why. Heck like I said Rozier was playing a bunch of minutes with the starters. The bench looked great when you had Morris and Horford. Looks like crap when you have to play Theis, Williams, and Semi 58 minutes.
Instead of Hayward, Rozier, Brown playing with Tatum, Morris, Horford or Baynes. They are playing big minutes with Theis, Williams, and Semi. Three guys that can't score. If were healthy those guys hardly play, maybe 10 minutes total.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 21, 2018 21:04:44 GMT -5
So are we approaching rock bottom tonight? Wow.....sad
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 21, 2018 21:17:31 GMT -5
pretty telling first half stats
rebounding - 31 MIL, 13 BOS (that is not a typo!)
shooting percent 50 vs 40%
We came back a bit but so much of a mountain to climb yet.
One more - Smart is at a +/- of -23.
Yikes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2018 21:41:54 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about fouls a ton, but come on now. Celtics have been attacking and nothing for Irving or Smart, yet the greek freak get one if you barely touch him. Semi barely touched him on that spin move.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 21, 2018 21:59:24 GMT -5
not a lot of poise when the team gets back to within 10-12 points...can't get over the hump.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 21, 2018 22:00:57 GMT -5
The Celtics are seeming to be a overrated team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2018 22:04:38 GMT -5
I don't know about that. If they played like they did in that 3rd quarter all the time they'd be a great team. That was good basketball overall.
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