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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 18, 2018 11:26:25 GMT -5
That podcast says Danny not trading Brown was the reason we didn't get Leonard. I don't think that Kawhi package was that great. At the same time he had question marks, like health, only one year deal, all that crap about LA. I wasn't sure that was a great deal. Frankly still not sure it was the way too go. Looking crappy, Brown has been disappointing, those picks look horrible and Leonard looks awesome. Yet one year maybe and fit wasn't great. Leonard isn't LeBron. Now Davis is a different story. He fits perfectly, yet all our assets are crazy low. Rumors the Lakers are saving the young guys go chase Davis this summer if he declines the super max deal. Can you match Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and Hart? Hopefully those picks improve and Brown plays better. Yes if Danny included Tatum, which I'm not sure he should or even would. Back on topic who becomes available? Beal was out there, yet they just added to that team, so that seems unlikely. Maybe a guy like Walker, but he doesn't fit. Butler was already traded and he wasn't a great fit. It really looks like only minor type moves and maybe the right rotation guy becomes available. I don't see that guy right now, but who knows. Yeah I don't see a lot of guys being available. Davis is the obvious one that could become available. Maybe KAT as well. It's tough because bad teams are really ungodly terrible and they don't have anyone that's worth a trade. But like I said, maybe this will change if there's some drama. You never know. Incidentally enough, those draft picks, while clearly not an ideal situation will be in a range where Danny does pretty good. They’ll also be in the spots where those guys who are pure shooters but not great athletes (see Huerter) fall and where they can get a point guard (like Tre Jones?) to replace Rozier. Of course, I had high hopes of another top 5 pick but Danny finds good players and perhaps we are getting lucky and don’t even know it yet. It helps that there are so many picks that even if Danny fumbles or trades one or two we should be set anyway. One thing to consider is that they're going to the off-season probably needing to replace Rozier and Morris. A backup PG should be pretty doable in the draft, but a hybrid SF/PF like Morris? That could be tricky.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 18, 2018 16:31:53 GMT -5
The bench scorer is more for when we have injuries. It was glaring watching lineups with Rozier of Semi, Williams, Wanamaker and whoever else it was. Add in Yabu, a good amount of our bench can't score. Fully healthy it doesn't matter, yet they won't be fully healthy all year.
Absolutely a good shooter would be perfect. Its why I always end up coming back to Hood. Can't think of many more shooters that will be available, yet I don't really want him after last year.
The problem with the draft is finding players that are ready. It's not going to be easy to develop players. Even a guy like Rozier took to the end of his second year to develop. Williams struggles to get minutes. Heck Yabu in almost a year and a half has never really got a chance to play. It was a big reason I wanted Danny to go after guards either late in the last draft or undrafted guys for our two ways contracts. Give them a year in the system untill you expect anything from them. I think this issue is just highlighted with Smart starting. Before it was like a third PG, now its like a 2nd PG you need. Zero doubt in my mind you can find good players in that middle to late first round. Just how ready are they? Both guys in that range at nbadraft.net are freshmen.
I actually think finding combo SF/PF is rather easy. Again its just finding one that is ready. If they do let Morris go we at least have guys like Semi, Yabu, heck even Williams that could potentially take his minutes.
I love the idea of adding a pure shooter. Thing is Danny doesn't draft for need, which is one problem when you try saying just take a PG or a combo forward. He's just as likely to take two centers and two SFs, if they are best players available. So we'll need some luck that bedt available fills need areas. So manny picks should make that easier, yet even if we get four picks the chances he uses them all are like 5%.
A huge area for me is finding a SG that fits next to Irving. A guy that could allow Smart to be a back up PG. It's why I loved Josh Okogie. Certainly not the perfect guy. Yet he can dribble, his elite size was perfect next to Irving on D, he can pass, create his own shots, big time rebounder. Basically a combo type guard. Someone that likely isn't good enough to be a PG, yet could do it in small doses. I love a Beal type player, yet that isn't likely. I'd settle for a guy that just had more scoring ability than Smart. It doesn't seem like an issue now, but remove Morris and Rozier it will start to be one.
If I'm Danny I know the T-Wolves are going to be looking to upgrade. They won't want to trade thier first round pick that could be a lottery pick. So I'd be right thier willing to throw a first in if we got Okogie as the third team. I know it makes no sense for them. Heck they should be rebuilding, yet that owner and coach want nothing to do with it. Heck if there was a team that might make some sense trading Rozier too it might be Minny. He'd be a massive upgrade over Jones. Are they desperate enough to send Okogie and thier first for Rozier? The tricky part is you still have to replace Rozier. Which is the roadblock I get every time I try to come up with crazy ideas. All the options make too much money, are on teams that won't likely want to make trades or don't fit well. Example Wright on the Raptors. Heck Yogi Farrell on the Kings is an interesting guy if you wanted to really change things up. They might trade but it would likely take a guy like Semi. Before you know it we've crossed into crazy trade ideas that will just never happen. Too many moving parts and players envolved.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 18, 2018 22:33:36 GMT -5
I actually think finding combo SF/PF is rather easy. Again its just finding one that is ready. If they do let Morris go we at least have guys like Semi, Yabu, heck even Williams that could potentially take his minutes. None of those guys could replace Morris. Yabu kind of sucks, Semi is too raw and Williams is too big (I'd be surprised if Stevens ever lets go of his small ball love). One guy that could do that is Justise Winslow. Not sure if the Heat would move him, but I love the fit. He's athletic, strong, shooting more 3s and doing it well and passes the ball well enough. I like him. I haven't been following Okogie, is he ready for something like that? I'm not impressed with his size just looking at b-ref, what does he do well enough to be a target?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2018 0:08:56 GMT -5
Replace how? Exactly what he does or come close to replacing his value just in different ways? Replace the bench guy or replace the starter? I think Semi can get better if given some big minutes. Seen him do things this year I didn't know he could do. Like drive and do it rather well. He'll be much better defensively. Won't replace Morris by himself, yet that and more Williams minutes. You likely get the same net rating, just much more D than offense. Next year I'm going to hope Hayward is 100%, Tatum is better, Brown is better, etc. So you shouldn't need his offense as much. Just good role players for our scorers. Perfect world you get a 100 points from Irving, Tatum, Hayward, Brown and Horford. Okogie isn't ready for anything. He's a guy to help replace Rozier long-term. He's like Brown, yet more skilled. He doesn't have Browns elite size, but he has 7 foot wingspan at 6'5". He might not be a Brown type athlete, but he's really close. Much more of a SG, has good ball skills. That allows him to create in ways Browns can only dream of right now. He'd fit next to Irving a lot better than Brown would long-term, allowing Smart to be a back up PG. He was my most underrated guy in the draft this year. Rose from mid 40s to pick 20 after a massive combine performance. I just love the player and fit on our team. He's a Celtic player, he's Danny's type guy. He's part Rozier, part Smart, and part Brown. They likely can't get him, Minny shouldn't trade him, but they are stupid and aren't playing him much. So I can dream, till he takes off. www.nba.com/draft/2018/prospects/josh_okogie#/
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 7:41:41 GMT -5
Replace how? Exactly what he does or come close to replacing his value just in different ways? Replace the bench guy or replace the starter? I think Semi can get better if given some big minutes. Seen him do things this year I didn't know he could do. Like drive and do it rather well. He'll be much better defensively. Won't replace Morris by himself, yet that and more Williams minutes. You likely get the same net rating, just much more D than offense. Next year I'm going to hope Hayward is 100%, Tatum is better, Brown is better, etc. So you shouldn't need his offense as much. Just good role players for our scorers. Perfect world you get a 100 points from Irving, Tatum, Hayward, Brown and Horford. Replace his role and a bit of his production. It's not a need, however I wouldn't say it's a luxury either. If Stevens is going to roll with smaller line-ups, they need this tweener 3/4 and I don't think Tatum is that guy. Neither are Brown or Hayward. Semi is that guy but I really don't trust him with a bigger role yet. Yeah I'd love to see those minutes given to Williams so we can have a bigger line-up, but I'm not sure we can expect Stevens to do that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2018 16:53:07 GMT -5
I think Brown is that guy. That's what I'd make him, rather than trying to make him a SG. Let's be frank Morris has this reputation as a good defender but overall he really isn't. Sure when he wants to he can play a LeBron tough for stretches. Yet you just don't see a ton of that. He's had only one season where you ranked postive in defensive box score in 2015. He was rated negative during the playoffs. Right now its all about his scoring. He's red hot, by far the best numbers of his career. I just don't see him maintaining this pace. We got a stretch like this last year. I will admit him playing with Irving is a good fit. His career high rebounding percentage is great. Let's just see how he does the rest of the year.
If he can maintain this pace you look into resigning him unless someone goes crazy. I just don't expect him to keep shooting 49% and 42% from deep. Who knows though, maybe a contract year drives him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 17:11:49 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not a huge Morris fan either and I agree that his defense is overrated. One thing he brings is good size for the role, he's a bit bigger and heavier than Brown and Tatum. Semi has the ideal shape for that position being crazy strong and not that slow. There are a lot of options and honestly if Brown stops sulking and Hayward rounds into form this is an issue that's going to solve itself.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2018 17:15:18 GMT -5
Brown isn’t mean enough. Morris can be a jerk and it’s great.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2018 17:58:18 GMT -5
That is exactly why I put Brown down low. Let him bang all game long and get tough. I don't think you need to be mean, you just need to know how to battle. Maybe he doesn't have it in him, yet I'd do everything in my power to see if he does. I see a better chance of him becoming that type of player, than getting the skills needed to become a SG.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 17:58:41 GMT -5
Brown isn’t mean enough. Morris can be a jerk and it’s great. True but that's not a good reason to overpay for him.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 19, 2018 20:26:40 GMT -5
I’m not exaggerating when I say this is the worst officiated half of basketball I’ve ever seen.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 20:26:42 GMT -5
LMAO this quarter.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 19, 2018 20:27:33 GMT -5
another one of those games - playing a 7-24 Suns team at home - score 37 in the first Q - and outscored 29-17 in 2Q so far, with Booker going off again. they really do seem to play down to the level of competition as they continue to try to get on an even keel.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 19, 2018 20:28:22 GMT -5
and just like that they are back in the lead...Tatum time
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 20:31:04 GMT -5
another one of those games - playing a 7-24 Suns team at home - score 37 in the first Q - and outscored 29-17 in 2Q so far, with Booker going off again. they really do seem to play down to the level of competition as they continue to try to get on an even keel. It wasn't really that, like everything was going the Suns way. They were hitting everything, the refs were bad, Celtics were getting all kinds of bad bounces. Games like this are hard because it is the Suns and they are really bad, but it was a nice job by the team to weather that storm and stay in the lead. Kyrie and Tatum are BALLING.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 19, 2018 20:32:16 GMT -5
good to know - I am not watching, just following Gamecast. I suspect they miss Morris' energy too.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 21:00:46 GMT -5
Suns are probably a fun team to play against. Too bad the franchise is so dysfunctional because this team could be really good.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 21:07:10 GMT -5
NOW the team is legit playing like sh*t.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 19, 2018 21:08:19 GMT -5
This is a soft performance from a soft team.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 19, 2018 21:08:45 GMT -5
and back behind - what's up with our poor rebounding numbers and back to popping so many 3s?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 19, 2018 21:19:03 GMT -5
The Suns are 2-13 on the road. what the hell is going on with our team?
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 19, 2018 21:20:27 GMT -5
The Suns are 2-13 on the road. what the hell is going on with our team? Terrible coaching.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2018 21:21:16 GMT -5
The Suns are 2-13 on the road. what the hell is going on with our team? Suns are hitting everything and the defense has been sloppy.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 19, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -5
You cannot say enough bad things about the job Stevens has done with this roster.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 19, 2018 21:48:02 GMT -5
Detroit, now Phoenix? Embarrassing.
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