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Post by bluechip on Dec 14, 2018 13:21:00 GMT -5
I like Kimbrel, but I like Robertson too. Depending on the average per year and overall length each ask for, I may prefer Robertson. Especially if adding Robertson instead of Kimbrel means we could also add a 2nd RP of higher quality. I really hope we don't trade Porcello, as I've stated quite a bit. He is more valuable than I think some give him credit for. That said, I am aware of his contract situation. I would not be opposed to trading a Catcher for a RP either. I actually would prefer we do this. I love the rotation and want it to remain in tact. I like Wight in the pen. I like Johnson as the 6th man too. Between Sale, Price, E-Rod and Eovaldi, we will have starting opportunities to go around. For me: Kimbrel or Robertson, Braiser, Barnes, Hembree, Wright as locks with guys like Lakins, Workman, Velasquez, Feltman, Johnson, Thornburg, Brewer, Poyner, Taylor, etc rotating in throughout the year. Ottavino would be great too........ Ottavino makes a lot of sense. Plus it would be good to have someone to handle Babe Ruth, should some tear in the space-time continuum result in the Red Sox facing the Sultan of Swat in a close and late situation ( deadspin.com/no-offense-but-adam-ottavino-would-absolutely-wreck-th-1831018636 ).
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 14, 2018 13:26:57 GMT -5
I like Kimbrel, but I like Robertson too. Depending on the average per year and overall length each ask for, I may prefer Robertson. Especially if adding Robertson instead of Kimbrel means we could also add a 2nd RP of higher quality. I really hope we don't trade Porcello, as I've stated quite a bit. He is more valuable than I think some give him credit for. That said, I am aware of his contract situation. I would not be opposed to trading a Catcher for a RP either. I actually would prefer we do this. I love the rotation and want it to remain in tact. I like Wight in the pen. I like Johnson as the 6th man too. Between Sale, Price, E-Rod and Eovaldi, we will have starting opportunities to go around. For me: Kimbrel or Robertson, Braiser, Barnes, Hembree, Wright as locks with guys like Lakins, Workman, Velasquez, Feltman, Johnson, Thornburg, Brewer, Poyner, Taylor, etc rotating in throughout the year. Ottavino would be great too........ Ottavino makes a lot of sense. Plus it would be good to have someone to handle Babe Ruth, should some tear in the space-time continuum result in the Red Sox facing the Sultan of Swat in a close and late situation ( deadspin.com/no-offense-but-adam-ottavino-would-absolutely-wreck-th-1831018636 ). Yes, I agree. 😎
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 14, 2018 13:42:33 GMT -5
The luxury tax is still 20% 30% 50% in its basic form. Say you stay 40 million over. The difference from the first year to the third year is 12 million dollars. 8 million vs 20 million. There are added taxes depending how high you go, but those are fixed. The only thing that changes is the 20-30-50 rate. This teams revenue says we should be paying the tax year in and year out. In 2017, RSN had 180 million in revenues. The figures for 2018 aren't in but NESN had a 24% ratings increase. Cha-ching. If your right about this and the Yankees we actually have more revenue. Your talking about maybe over 700 million in 2018
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Post by orion09 on Dec 14, 2018 17:06:59 GMT -5
Andrew Miller reportedly looking for a no trade clause, in addition to (presumably) a three year deal. Yuck, no thanks. IMO if the Sox are willing to commit to a top relief arm, they should to be able to flip the contract after 2019 if warranted due to luxury tax issues or emergence of Feltman/Hernandez etc.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 14, 2018 18:20:07 GMT -5
What would it take to get Archie Bradley from Arz? He has, I think three years of control left. Not heard his name at all, but seems like an outside option in a trade....
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 14, 2018 18:40:10 GMT -5
What would it take to get Archie Bradley from Arz? He has, I think three years of control left. Not heard his name at all, but seems like an outside option in a trade.... This was the first name I thought of if the D'Backs actually have interest in JBJ to fill their CF void
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 14, 2018 19:16:01 GMT -5
I trust the Sox on the call of the bullpen.
Trust in Feltman, Lakins, Brewer, and Hernandez if worst comes to worst. I don't blame the Sox in falling for this plan. I get it. Yeap this is the only part of the farm system you believe in, and you're extending yourself for it.
I get it Sox. I'm with your plan and I believe in it, even though it was hard to accept at first in the first chance to go back to back since the early 1900's at a championship. Get it done.
Go Sox all...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 14, 2018 19:51:59 GMT -5
In 2017, RSN had 180 million in revenues. The figures for 2018 aren't in but NESN had a 24% ratings increase. Cha-ching. If your right about this and the Yankees we actually have more revenue. Your talking about maybe over 700 million in 2018 The company that owns the revenue streams from YES is Yankees Entertainment & Sports Network, LLC whereas Steinbrenner's company is Yankee Global Enterprises, LLC. The total of all revenues generated by the Yankees still far outweigh the revenues generated by the Red Sox but the real question is how much of the total by each club does the team ownership receive. Henry's personal wealth is almost twice as much as the Steinbrenners. As far as Yankee debt, it's not an issue. That's like saying I own a 2 billion dollar house and have a hundred million dollar mortgage. ADD: Revenues generated by the media have a considerably higher profit ratio than revenues of a baseball team because the operating costs are considerably lower. Also I'm guessing the broadcasting fees paid by NESN are considerably lower than by most broadcasting networks because that would make sense when you control both Peter and Paul. ADD2: If the Steinbrenners owned Yankees Entertainment & Sports Network, LLC, which they don't, they would have the same situation as Henry except far bigger.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 14, 2018 20:31:17 GMT -5
Taking it one step further, the Red Sox, NESN and the Boston Globe are all controlled by Henry. When Alex Speier appears on a Red Sox broadcast, it not only benefits Alex, it benefits all three entities.
The Yankees, YES and New York Times are all totally separate entities each trying to maximize their own profit margins.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 14, 2018 22:20:06 GMT -5
I'm ready to hand the keys to the bullpen to Brian Bannister. Go find your pitchers to fix. Seriously...scrape together a few AAAA/down-and-out starters and turn them into 2-pitch relievers, mixing their two best pitches and maybe coordinating their release points/ trying new grips. Most elite relievers are failed starters anyway.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 14, 2018 22:42:57 GMT -5
What would it take to get Archie Bradley from Arz? He has, I think three years of control left. Not heard his name at all, but seems like an outside option in a trade.... UMass mentioned him as an alternative headliner when I laid out a possible JBJ trade with AZ. Makes a lot of sense, though I’m not sure the Sox have the redundant players good enough to get him without creating another hole elsewhere.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 14, 2018 22:45:24 GMT -5
Taking it one step further, the Red Sox, NESN and the Boston Globe are all controlled by Henry. When Alex Speier appears on a Red Sox broadcast, it not only benefits Alex, it benefits all three entities. The Yankees, YES and New York Times are all totally separate entities each trying to maximize their own profit margins. I thought NYT owned the Globe and Henry had something like a 10% stake? Or am I just way behind?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 14, 2018 23:12:09 GMT -5
Google Boston Globe owner.
You can also Google the two Yankee companies I mentioned.
ADD: In the last 4 years, John Henry has nearly doubled his wealth. He is now in the Forbes 400. The Steinberenners have pretty much stayed even during that span and haven't been in the Forbes 400 since George died.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 14, 2018 23:46:14 GMT -5
Taking it one step further, the Red Sox, NESN and the Boston Globe are all controlled by Henry. When Alex Speier appears on a Red Sox broadcast, it not only benefits Alex, it benefits all three entities. The Yankees, YES and New York Times are all totally separate entities each trying to maximize their own profit margins. I thought NYT owned the Globe and Henry had something like a 10% stake? Or am I just way behind? Times sold their stake in both the Red Sox, and Globe a few years back. Henry owns over 50% of the Sox now, and owns the Globe outright.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2018 0:14:29 GMT -5
It's always a good thing to have a rich owner, yet I don't really see how it matters. He keeps increasing his wealth because his companies make money. So what really matters is revenue, the more we have, the more we can spend and still make him money.
The Yankees aren't spending less because the owners are going broke. Even our spending isn't crazy. By my estimate players costs are still less than half of our total revenue. We are just spending what we should,the stupid luxury tax isn't coming close to growing like our revenue is.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2018 11:54:43 GMT -5
I trust the Sox on the call of the bullpen. Trust in Feltman, Lakins, Brewer, and Hernandez if worst comes to worst. I don't blame the Sox in falling for this plan. I get it. Yeap this is the only part of the farm system you believe in, and you're extending yourself for it. I get it Sox. I'm with your plan and I believe in it, even though it was hard to accept at first in the first chance to go back to back since the early 1900's at a championship. Get it done. Go Sox all... When you're complaining about the bullpen on opening day can I link back to this post?
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 15, 2018 13:46:19 GMT -5
What would it take to get Archie Bradley from Arz? He has, I think three years of control left. Not heard his name at all, but seems like an outside option in a trade.... UMass mentioned him as an alternative headliner when I laid out a possible JBJ trade with AZ. Makes a lot of sense, though I’m not sure the Sox have the redundant players good enough to get him without creating another hole elsewhere. Got ya. I would not trade JBJ for him though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2018 14:14:34 GMT -5
UMass mentioned him as an alternative headliner when I laid out a possible JBJ trade with AZ. Makes a lot of sense, though I’m not sure the Sox have the redundant players good enough to get him without creating another hole elsewhere. Got ya. I would not trade JBJ for him though. I don't get why you'd trade for Bradley when the market is flush with very good relievers this offseason for whom you'd only need to pay money. And yes, I know what Dombrowski has said, but it seems to me that the org's strategy will be to sit back and let the RP market play out such that they can strike with a value proposition on one of those guys, and if that's the case, Dombrowski is saying all the right things you'd want him to say if that's the strategy. "No, we don't want to spend money on a high-end reliever... oh, your client really wants to sign with us? ... He has no other offers? ... well, let me see what I can swing..."
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Post by radiohix on Dec 15, 2018 17:23:07 GMT -5
...it seems to me that the org's strategy will be to sit back and let the RP market play out such that they can strike with a value proposition on one of those guys, and if that's the case, Dombrowski is saying all the right things you'd want him to say if that's the strategy. "No, we don't want to spend money on a high-end reliever... oh, your client really wants to sign with us? ... He has no other offers? ... well, let me see what I can swing..." And that's the right strategy IMO, it's bad buisness to spend big ressources (long term/big money contracts or prospects) on relievers especialy with the talent we have in the farm. Seems to me like DD matured on that side (aquiring relievers) from the guy that was in Detroit or his first years here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 15, 2018 18:35:46 GMT -5
I trust the Sox on the call of the bullpen. Trust in Feltman, Lakins, Brewer, and Hernandez if worst comes to worst. I don't blame the Sox in falling for this plan. I get it. Yeap this is the only part of the farm system you believe in, and you're extending yourself for it. I get it Sox. I'm with your plan and I believe in it, even though it was hard to accept at first in the first chance to go back to back since the early 1900's at a championship. Get it done. Go Sox all... When you're complaining about the bullpen on opening day can I link back to this post? I was hammered when I wrote it. Lol. I vaguely remember even writing it.
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Post by soxfan50 on Dec 15, 2018 20:15:15 GMT -5
When you're complaining about the bullpen on opening day can I link back to this post? I was hammered when I wrote it. Lol. I vaguely remember even writing it. If the Mets end up approaching the Sox about one of their catchers, being realistic of course, who do you think they could acquire from the Mets BP?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 15, 2018 20:25:55 GMT -5
I was hammered when I wrote it. Lol. I vaguely remember even writing it. If the Mets end up approaching the Sox about one of their catchers, being realistic of course, who do you think they could acquire from the Mets BP? Depends on which catcher is being tangled. I don't think the Sox are looking to add relievers from the Mets though. It'd be a prospect I think.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2018 20:33:40 GMT -5
When you're complaining about the bullpen on opening day can I link back to this post? I was hammered when I wrote it. Lol. I vaguely remember even writing it. I should've realized that when all of the names were spelled right.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 15, 2018 22:24:24 GMT -5
UMass mentioned him as an alternative headliner when I laid out a possible JBJ trade with AZ. Makes a lot of sense, though I’m not sure the Sox have the redundant players good enough to get him without creating another hole elsewhere. Got ya. I would not trade JBJ for him though. Not straight up; my original amended (to include A Bradley) post (and I don’t think anyone here really thinks the teams match up, since Bos is contending and AZ is rebuilding, so it’d be the reverse trade that would make sense), I included Kristian Robinson (huge tools, too-100 guy, Rookie ball) and Daulton Varsho, a 22-y/o catcher in high A. I don’t think trading JBJ makes sense unless they got an overpay in return with an MLB/near-ready piece. Idk what acquiring Archie Bradley alone would take; he’s got three years and figures to be worth about 4-5 WAR in that time (2.7 fWAR the past two), and paid about 1 WAR worth (about $10M considering arb raises. So you’re talking a fair amount of excess value, maybe $30M. I doubt he brings that back (that’s a top-100 prospect in the 50-75 range) because, unproven reliever, but AZ would probably ask for a strong return that I don’t think the Sox have/want to part with. Never know, though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 16, 2018 8:03:14 GMT -5
Archie Bradley is still pretty young, but he’s not that great. People fall in love because he was a former uber prospect. But don’t pay a premium for his name.
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