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Post by texs31 on Jan 10, 2019 9:44:43 GMT -5
Miguel Benzan has a great piece on BSJ discussing the possibilities for the 2019 Cap for NE. In short, he projects they will be between 45-50 below (including ERFA tenders, a J Jones RFA tender and various reductions for current Pats players via release or extensions).
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Post by texs31 on Jan 10, 2019 11:21:25 GMT -5
Crazy scenario mentioned (Schefter started it I believe). New Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury love Kyler Murray (once saying he'd take him #1 overall if he had the pick). Well, now he has the pick (and Murray is reconsidering his baseball career). Of course, Cardinals also just drafted Rosen (who would be traded in this scenario).
Doug Kyed then reminds us that the Patriots had interest in Rosen.
No actual rumor of course. Just people speculating off of a series of events.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 10, 2019 14:21:09 GMT -5
It's crazy hard to tell who the Patriot really like. I spend waaaay too much time trying to figure that out over the last 20 years and have almost zero clue year and year out. I truly believe they throw out information to just mess with teams and confuse the heck out of them. So I wouldn't take a report that we liked or were linked to Rosen to mean anything. Example the hype around Kyle Lauletta being our guy.
That being said if they do like Rosen it could be a good match, yet are the Cardinals really going to dump him for pennies on the dollar? He went 10th overall and I can't see Bill giving up more than a 2nd round pick. Heck does he even offer that much? Rosen was not that good last year, not even close to good in fact.
Very interesting, I like Murray but I wouldn't take him first overall. Then again what the heck do I know. He does fit the new coaches style more than Rosen does.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 10, 2019 15:07:28 GMT -5
Agree 100% on the Rosen "interest".
I actually heard the Schefter comments after posting and I think the idea of Murray #1 was someone piecing together things (The like Murray and have the #1 Pick so . . . )
I can't remember his exact words but they basically indicated that there would be a lot of ways to get Murray (but never did he say they would use the #1 Pick on him).
That being said, I believe this time last year, Mayfield was a late 1st to early 2nd candidate so . . .
And, as is the case so often, the sports world took off with this as a rumor. Instead of an "I could see this happening" which is more the tone of Schefter's comments.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 11, 2019 23:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 14, 2019 13:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 20:16:03 GMT -5
Time to start up the offseason talk. It’s going to be an interesting one. Who’s going to retire? Who will restructure? Who are they going to lose?
Right now they have 16.6m in cap space accounting for draft slots (but not accounting for comp picks they will get). But they have a lot of free agents to deal with. Notably:
Trey Flowers
Trent Brown
Stephen Gostkowski
Ryan Allen
Jonathan Jones (Restricted)
Patterson
Hogan
Jason McCourty
Danny Shelton
Malcolm Brown
Josh Gordon (restricted)
Dorsett
Waddle
Rowe
Simon
As you can see that 16m isn’t much. I won’t get into the specific free agents right now. But they need to open more cap space. Ways to do it:
1. Dwayne Allen has a 7.3 million cap his but no dead space. He’s either getting cut or it’s getting restructured way down. Expect another 5m in space coming from this spot.
2. Brady extension to lower his 27m hit. A lot of money can be freed up here.
3. Retirements (McCourty 9.5m or Gronk 9.8m) or wither of them could restructure to open some money.
4. Hightower was a beast in the Super Bowl but his hit is almost 11m but it’s 5m dead money. Hopefully, there’s a restructure here where he takes a pay cut
5. Clayborn can save about 4m if they cut him. 2m dead money but he’s not worth a 6m (or even 4m hit so if he won’t restructure then he could get the ax)
There’s really no one else to try and save money on.. maybe you can argue Cannon but it’s hard to say he’s not worth 7m in cap space.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 20:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Feb 4, 2019 21:10:18 GMT -5
I'm going with BSJ in thinking 45-50 Million in space is probably what they're going to be working with.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2019 21:19:55 GMT -5
I'm going with BSJ in thinking 45-50 Million in space is probably what they're going to be working with. You have the link to where they talk about that? |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 4, 2019 22:01:32 GMT -5
It's paywall but I'll try and sum it up. Give me a bit. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2019/01/09/patriots-2019-cap-preview-part-ii-how-can-they-create-more-financial-flexibility-moving-forward/Without giving up too much content, he starts at 15.5 after giving future contracts to PS players, tendering ERFA and a 2nd Round tender for Jonathan Jones. He presents a couple scenarios from there but: - $35M if they release Allen, Clayborn and Gronk retires - Another $10M by extending Brady, DMac, KVN and Hightower - Another $5M if they release DMac instead of extending (given his comments, you could include him in the retirement category as well). So much of what you said (added KVN extension) He doesn't include the 6.5 to 9.5 Million needed for draft picks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 23:23:44 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cap/The rookie draft pool is high though because the the top 51 already includes minimum salary guys, so you only add the difference not the total. Releasing McCourty gives you like 9.5 million. Tons of way to salary on that list in my opinion. Like Hoyer 2.5 million. Taking a guess,but rookie kicker in the 4th round? Gostkowski looked kinda shaky for the first time ever. Fun times. Can't wait to buy my draft magazines. Then the fun really starts!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 4, 2019 23:46:00 GMT -5
McCourty said he might contemplate retirement if the Pats won the Super Bowl and they did. So you might not need to even cut his salary.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2019 23:53:43 GMT -5
McCourty said he might contemplate retirement if the Pats won the Super Bowl and they did. So you might not need to even cut his salary. His dead cap doesn't go away that was signing bonus money already paid to him. So cut him or have him retire doesn't matter, same cost. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 5, 2019 7:05:52 GMT -5
It's paywall but I'll try and sum it up. Give me a bit. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2019/01/09/patriots-2019-cap-preview-part-ii-how-can-they-create-more-financial-flexibility-moving-forward/Without giving up too much content, he starts at 15.5 after giving future contracts to PS players, tendering ERFA and a 2nd Round tender for Jonathan Jones. He presents a couple scenarios from there but: - $35M if they release Allen, Clayborn and Gronk retires - Another $10M by extending Brady, DMac, KVN and Hightower - Another $5M if they release DMac instead of extending (given his comments, you could include him in the retirement category as well). So much of what you said (added KVN extension) He doesn't include the 6.5 to 9.5 Million needed for draft picks. I have a subscription; i just didn’t want to sift thru all the articles... thank you |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 5, 2019 7:29:57 GMT -5
I know we all know it’s hard to predict who the Pats will draft but we will all try anyways. They are so fixated on personality that it’s almost impossible for us to know. I wouldn’t say they draft for need, but they definitely draft for fit. They don’t just take the “best player available” per se. This is kind of obvious but they use the draft to build the team and this is why you see them take guys who seem like huge over drafts but they see them in a specific role.
Of course they also take guys like Edelman who they have no idea what he will do they just think he’s a football player that can do something. He’s an example of them drafting based more off personality than a football skill. I’m using the word “personality” liberally here. It was about his compete level, toughness, abilities under pressure etc.
They want smart football players who can learn quickly. It sounds weird but some pro-bowlers would never work for them. They need guys who can absorb information quickly and change on a dime. If a guys an idiot but a great player he won’t work here. Football is the ultimate team game and if one piece gets out of place a 0 yard run can become a 20 yard run. We just saw in the Super Bowl. They’d been a man to man team most of the year but they decided to switch it up in the biggest game and play zone most of the day. You need smart players which is why you saw Jason McCourty play 100% of the snaps when that wasn’t s regular occurrence previously.
So when you’re doing your scouting look for the following in addition to what you see from a strict skill situation:
- team captains (leadership)
- position flexibility (Pats love versatile players)
- special teams
- tid bits on football intelligence from coaches and teammates
- later in the draft a unique skill set that could fit a team need (ie a special teams Ace - shifty slot receiver - great blocking tight end)
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Post by costpet on Feb 5, 2019 8:41:32 GMT -5
To prove Brady's greatness, he's probably done more with less than any other QB in the league. Imagine if he had some real targets. Other than Endelman and Gronk, he only has backs to throw to. If BB drafted 6 WR's in the first 3 rounds, it wouldn't bother me. They'll never be another Gronk and he's probably gone next year. That's why BB turned to his running game this year like never before. His receiver group didn't scare anyone. Maybe he could trade up in the 1st round to draft an elite WR. Back in 2007, when he got Moss, look what they did. Gordon this year made a difference.
Imagine a couple of light-out WR's for Brady to choose from. I think they owe that to Brady.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 5, 2019 9:30:32 GMT -5
But doesn't this go to RJP's point on "best fit" vs "best player"? Do we believe that BB ignores the position to challenge Brady? Or to help build his case as the best of all time?
Or is it a lot harder to find guys who will excel in their offense (there are numerous articles about how complex it is, especially for receivers). What we (or the draft experts) think makes for an elite receiver might be irrelevant (probably too strong) to what would make a guy "elite" in the Pats offense.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 5, 2019 10:02:11 GMT -5
The thing about the Pats draft is that they only want certain players on their team, ones smart enough to be able to learn everything they do. Talent is secondary. These are the kinds of players that you pretty much never need to trade up to get. This is why they always trade down. They just value players completely differently than the rest of the NFL.
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Post by costpet on Feb 5, 2019 10:05:24 GMT -5
That's why you draft 6 and hope to hit on 2. Of course, that won't happen, but it would be nice if Brady had some real threats on the outside. That opens up the middle for Endelman and the backs.
I'll give Bill a call.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 5, 2019 10:33:03 GMT -5
That's why you draft 6 and hope to hit on 2. Of course, that won't happen, but it would be nice if Brady had some real threats on the outside. That opens up the middle for Endelman and the backs. I'll give Bill a call. Edleman, not Endelman. Sorry!  They don't have 6 that they want on their roster though. They have to run all the routes and read the defense the same way that Brady does. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 5, 2019 10:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 5, 2019 11:54:44 GMT -5
It’s hard for a WR to fit into this system because they run so many option routes. Their WR’s need to be able to read the defense pre-snap like a QB for the team to fully utilize their passing attack. Certainly outside guys have to do less than the inside guys, but if you can’t move around the formation and read things you won’t make it in this offense. All that thinking has a way of slowing down fast players.
Also, they went towards the run this year because the NFL has changed to nickel and dime base defenses with undersized guys on the line. Bill realized if they get big upfront and run behind a fullback they can run over these smaller defenses. It works because they can also throw out if these sets and create mismatches. They broke thru in the Super Bowl by bringing in their jumbo package and letting the Rams counter by taking some DBs off the board. That’s how they threw on them in the TD drive. The running game is mostly about zigging when the rest of the league zagged. And about protecting your older QB. The timing has just worked out perfectly for them.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 5, 2019 12:26:25 GMT -5
I would think intra-positional flexibility is important here as well. Ideally, BB would want guys who can line up outside and inside (probably why Hogan doubled Dorsetts snaps despite more consistent production from the latter).
I would assume (dangerous) that most of the "elite" guys are outside. Projecting their ability inside may be more of a challenge (or they DON'T project inside which drops their "elite" status on the Pats board.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 5, 2019 15:20:38 GMT -5
I would think intra-positional flexibility is important here as well. Ideally, BB would want guys who can line up outside and inside (probably why Hogan doubled Dorsetts snaps despite more consistent production from the latter). I would assume (dangerous) that most of the "elite" guys are outside. Projecting their ability inside may be more of a challenge (or they DON'T project inside which drops their "elite" status on the Pats board. I don't understand how Hogan can even get as much playing time as he gets. He's more of a practice squad guy to me. Maybe a 5th-6th WR at best. He was targeted 4 times in the SB and caught 0, with a few of them being close to interceptions because he gets no separation and he also can't catch contested balls. There has to be someone better than that. |
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