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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2019 8:27:32 GMT -5
This article kind of highlights what I was talking about a few weeks back when I said this is a super important draft. This offseason and the cap situation is showing it as well. We have one of the oldest teams in the league, which is by design and that’s ok, but the core is getting old and they need to replace it and they need to fill in with good cheap players to alleviate some of the “expensive” middle of the roster. It’s not really expensive on a per player basis but there is a high volume of them. I think it’s key they come out of this draft with 1 or 2 long term core player plus a couple more who are for the shorter term on their rookie deals. And I think they will. www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/it-goes-beyond-brady-why-are-patriots-ok-being-oldest-kid-blockThat's the whole point though, as the article said those mid guys are the new market inefficiency. They are undervalued because teams want the big ticket guys. Age 27.6 isn't really old either. Especially when you take into account some of the old guys dragging down that number. They don't want that number lower. You want those Veterans to win the big games. They have the experience and hunger that the young guys lack Looking at things like amount paid on rookie deals is crazy and tells you almost nothing. They could have picked up Browns, Sheltons, and Dorsetts options and been one of the top teams in the league and it would have been stupid. They trade down so much to get a ton of picks that cost a lot less. Year after year they find great value late in the draft and rookie free agents. Don't give me missed picks and overlook undrafted guys like Jones, Butler, and Jackson. This draft is crazy important given the amount of picks we have. Let's not knock what makes the Patriots the Patriots though. That is a deep team built through the draft, mid priced free agents and trades. You don't want too many rookies. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2019 8:29:29 GMT -5
It would be nice if we had a clue what McCourty, Simon, and Dorsett signed for. We'll find out in two weeks, they literally leak nothing.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 14, 2019 8:56:20 GMT -5
They also had a few good undrafted free agent corners who didn’t make the team (because we were loaded) and ended up doing well on other teams. Bill is great at that position in particular with the UDFAs.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 9:01:29 GMT -5
TE Matt Lacosse is also visiting today.
IMO opinion that deal will get done because BB LOVES Lacosse players (I know, I had to).
EDIT: Garrofolo reporting WR Maurice Harris visiting as well. Had 28 catches last season (10 for 124 yds in 1 game) playing mostly the slot. Bigger than typical Pats slot guy (6'3" 200lbs)
EDIT: Field Yates adding that Pats are also bringing in Bruce Ellington (WR, DET) for a visit.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 10:40:49 GMT -5
This article kind of highlights what I was talking about a few weeks back when I said this is a super important draft. This offseason and the cap situation is showing it as well. We have one of the oldest teams in the league, which is by design and that’s ok, but the core is getting old and they need to replace it and they need to fill in with good cheap players to alleviate some of the “expensive” middle of the roster. It’s not really expensive on a per player basis but there is a high volume of them. I think it’s key they come out of this draft with 1 or 2 long term core player plus a couple more who are for the shorter term on their rookie deals. And I think they will. www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/it-goes-beyond-brady-why-are-patriots-ok-being-oldest-kid-blockThat's the whole point though, as the article said those mid guys are the new market inefficiency. They are undervalued because teams want the big ticket guys. Age 27.6 isn't really old either. Especially when you take into account some of the old guys dragging down that number. They don't want that number lower. You want those Veterans to win the big games. They have the experience and hunger that the young guys lack Looking at things like amount paid on rookie deals is crazy and tells you almost nothing. They could have picked up Browns, Sheltons, and Dorsetts options and been one of the top teams in the league and it would have been stupid. They trade down so much to get a ton of picks that cost a lot less. Year after year they find great value late in the draft and rookie free agents. Don't give me missed picks and overlook undrafted guys like Jones, Butler, and Jackson. This draft is crazy important given the amount of picks we have. Let's not knock what makes the Patriots the Patriots though. That is a deep team built through the draft, mid priced free agents and trades. You don't want too many rookies. Agreed you want balance and this draft can help restore that and hopefully find some of the future core. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 10:42:19 GMT -5
TE Matt Lacosse is also visiting today. IMO opinion that deal will get done because BB LOVES Lacosse players (I know, I had to). EDIT: Garrofolo reporting WR Maurice Harris visiting as well. Had 28 catches last season (10 for 124 yds in 1 game) playing mostly the slot. Bigger than typical Pats slot guy (6'3" 200lbs) EDIT: Field Yates adding that Pats are also bringing in Bruce Ellington (WR, DET) for a visit. Harris could be one of those hidden gems |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 11:03:39 GMT -5
Rspsheet confirming interest in Tate.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 12:21:24 GMT -5
It would be nice if we had a clue what McCourty, Simon, and Dorsett signed for. We'll find out in two weeks, they literally leak nothing. John Simon's contract with the Patriots is a 2-year deal worth $7.2 million, per source |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 14, 2019 12:31:37 GMT -5
When talking about this draft, depth and getting younger but don't sleep on all the guys from last years draft who were on the IR, that could/should be 4 or 5 guys that are in line to make the roster. From what I have read this draft is deep in 2-3rd rounds especially at positions of need for the Pats. The Pats have 5 of those picks so how many can we expect to make the team when taking into consideration the 4 or 5 from last year who haven't really played yet?
This could be a very competitive camp.
Am I being stupid to think that Derek Rivers could still be a player?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 13:28:43 GMT -5
That's the whole point though, as the article said those mid guys are the new market inefficiency. They are undervalued because teams want the big ticket guys. Age 27.6 isn't really old either. Especially when you take into account some of the old guys dragging down that number. They don't want that number lower. You want those Veterans to win the big games. They have the experience and hunger that the young guys lack Looking at things like amount paid on rookie deals is crazy and tells you almost nothing. They could have picked up Browns, Sheltons, and Dorsetts options and been one of the top teams in the league and it would have been stupid. They trade down so much to get a ton of picks that cost a lot less. Year after year they find great value late in the draft and rookie free agents. Don't give me missed picks and overlook undrafted guys like Jones, Butler, and Jackson. This draft is crazy important given the amount of picks we have. Let's not knock what makes the Patriots the Patriots though. That is a deep team built through the draft, mid priced free agents and trades. You don't want too many rookies. Agreed you want balance and this draft can help restore that and hopefully find some of the future core. Bedard is on radio talking about what I am trying to say. Pats right now are in a cap bond because of all the veteran contracts and lack of core players on rookie deals. In 2014 when they won the SB they had the 10th youngest roster with a ton of young cheap core players. This year they were the oldest. If you want to keep this run going you HAVE to get younger and cheaper. Add: they may already have some of these guys (and I think they are), but that’s speculation. They need to piggyback drafts and the good news is I think they got one last year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 13:34:14 GMT -5
When talking about this draft, depth and getting younger but don't sleep on all the guys from last years draft who were on the IR, that could/should be 4 or 5 guys that are in line to make the roster. From what I have read this draft is deep in 2-3rd rounds especially at positions of need for the Pats. The Pats have 5 of those picks so how many can we expect to make the team when taking into consideration the 4 or 5 from last year who haven't really played yet? This could be a very competitive camp. Am I being stupid to think that Derek Rivers could still be a player? It’s really hard to say how many guys can make the team. Do you mean active roster or do IR stashes count too? |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 13:41:41 GMT -5
Import distinction RJP. BB uses all the avenues to keep the best players under control. That could be "overpaying" Practice Squad guys, using the IR (again, many feel Berrios wasn't really injured - Sam, on the other hand, I believe had a legitimate one) and, of course, the 53-man roster.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 14, 2019 13:50:28 GMT -5
When talking about this draft, depth and getting younger but don't sleep on all the guys from last years draft who were on the IR, that could/should be 4 or 5 guys that are in line to make the roster. From what I have read this draft is deep in 2-3rd rounds especially at positions of need for the Pats. The Pats have 5 of those picks so how many can we expect to make the team when taking into consideration the 4 or 5 from last year who haven't really played yet? This could be a very competitive camp. Am I being stupid to think that Derek Rivers could still be a player? It’s really hard to say how many guys can make the team. Do you mean active roster or do IR stashes count too? I was being facetious. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 14:00:59 GMT -5
It’s really hard to say how many guys can make the team. Do you mean active roster or do IR stashes count too? I was being facetious. Gotcha... I think it’s a legitimate question tho. I think they’d like to have a safety to replace Harmon and his money and be ready to fill in for McCourty once he retires. I think they obviously need one or 2 young defensive ends and a young DT. They’d probably like a guy to replace Roberts (is Sam that guy already?) They’d probably like a young lineman or 2 who can replace Thuney and Cannon going forward... They probably hope Dawson can replace Jones (who’s cheap now but won’t be next year). Etc etc |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2019 14:01:07 GMT -5
It’s really hard to say how many guys can make the team. Do you mean active roster or do IR stashes count too? I was being facetious. Gotcha... I think it’s a legitimate question tho. I think they’d like to have a safety to replace Harmon and his money and be ready to fill in for McCourty once he retires. I think they obviously need one or 2 young defensive ends and a young DT. They’d probably like a guy to replace Roberts (is Sam that guy already?) They’d probably like a young lineman or 2 who can replace Thuney and Cannon going forward... They probably hope Dawson can replace Jones (who’s cheap now but won’t be next year). They probably need to bring in a new kicker and punter because they can’t afford anything besides a rookie deal. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 14:26:08 GMT -5
Add Darius Philon (DT, Chargers) to the list of players NE has "checked in on" per Chris Price (BSJ).
Meanwhile, Malcom Brown is moving on. He's getting 3/15 from NO, per Rapsheet. Obviously, the key is how much is guaranteed but that seems hefty for him (and I liked the player more than most).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 14:56:02 GMT -5
So Adam Humphries and Cole Beasley both said in their introductory press conferences that the Patriots were finalists. We've heard of visits today with Ellington and Harris and got a confirmation in interest in Tate.
So, yeah. I'd say they're looking to add at the slot position.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 15:00:12 GMT -5
Maybe semantics (with LB positions) but is Sam (a Will, based on an article last offseason) really a replacement for Roberts (who plays mostly in the middle in traditional 4-3 sets). My hope/expectation for Sam is that he can contribute on Special Teams and replace Grigsby (who, eventually, became Humber).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 15:09:45 GMT -5
Not sure if they were competing for 1 spot but, if so, Ellington beats out Harris for a deal as he's signing with NE for 1 year (per Rapsheet)
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 15:41:41 GMT -5
Tate to the Giants, per Schefter.
EDIT: 4 yrs, 37.5m with 23 guaranteed
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2019 15:53:07 GMT -5
Agreed you want balance and this draft can help restore that and hopefully find some of the future core. Bedard is on radio talking about what I am trying to say. Pats right now are in a cap bond because of all the veteran contracts and lack of core players on rookie deals. In 2014 when they won the SB they had the 10th youngest roster with a ton of young cheap core players. This year they were the oldest. If you want to keep this run going you HAVE to get younger and cheaper. Add: they may already have some of these guys (and I think they are), but that’s speculation. They need to piggyback drafts and the good news is I think they got one last year. 90% of your young core you keep talking about having to have is gone. Didn't you just post how much they overturn the team year in and year out? It's what they do every year. Yea you need to be bringing in young guys every year. The older roster and mid tier contracts are by design though, not because they lack talent or can't sign other players. I'd say they are the exact opposite of a cap bond team frankly they have sooo much money coming off next year. Cap bond teams are the one releasing tons of guys having huge amounts of dead cap space. That isn't the Patriots, not even close. You gotta stop listening to these guys that are slamming the Patriots for what made them soo good. The main reason the Patriots make it work unlike other teams is trades. Losing Flowers and not being able to replace him was going to be a huge loss. Bam they get Bennett, two years low money. Just a brilliant move that solved that issue. Then they get guys like Van Noy and McCourty who they trade for to resign on the cheap. So many ways to add talent and the draft is only one of them. RJP what is the rank of the Patriots age for each of the 6 Championships? I'm willing to bet most years they were older. They don't have to do anything. I really can't understand your thought process after Bill has built teams like 15 different ways and now your 100% focused this draft holds the keys to our future. It could be epic given the amount of picks or he could trade half of them into next year, trade for a bunch of Veterans and do what we normally do. Bill just doesn't look at things the way these guys you're talking about do. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 15:58:00 GMT -5
S Terrence Brooks on a 2-yr deal. Special Teamer.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2019 15:59:29 GMT -5
Tate to the Giants, per Schefter. EDIT: 4 yrs, 37.5m with 23 guaranteed Ok what are they thinking? The Gaints just can't pick a path and it's crazy. About what I expect for a deal. |
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 14, 2019 16:19:12 GMT -5
Tate to the Giants, per Schefter. EDIT: 4 yrs, 37.5m with 23 guaranteed Man, they are dumb. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2019 16:19:26 GMT -5
So it wasnt a head to head as Harris now signing too.
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