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2019 Patriots Offseason Thread
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2019 10:07:15 GMT -5
Seems like there could be a run on DBs (specifically CBs) starting with Pittsburgh at 20. While that was originally assumed to either be Greedy Williams or Byron Murphy, the hottest name now as 1st CB off the board is Rock Ya-Sin (btw I originally thought his name was Rock-Ya Sin and assumed he'd be a hard hitting safety).
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 10:11:33 GMT -5
I would be happy to see the Pats get Warring and Stidham in the third. With the other picks get 1 OL, 1 DL, 1 edge/backer and a WR. Trade 1 off to next year. Some are saying their are only 15 guys with 1st round grades so BB could punt early. Next years draft is supposed to be much stronger for QBs and Brady will be closer to the end so getting an extra 1st rounder next year could set up a move for a QB. I don’t like the idea of Stidman; he doesn’t do it for me. Seemed like he didn’t improve at all from one year to the next and there are questions about his leadership. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2019 10:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 10:59:49 GMT -5
Here’s my last online mock.... honestly, if the first 3 picks went like this, I might get overly excited. Really like all of them which means there’s no chance any of it happens.  |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 25, 2019 11:32:35 GMT -5
Round 1 on a Thursday night isn't so bad but rounds 2 and 3 on a Friday night is brutal. Unless you're a die-hard football fan you're probably doing something else, and even if you are, people have families, girlfriends, etc... old people go to bed early. I don't get it.
I follow football pretty closely but I don't think I've ever watched rounds 2 and 3 on a Friday night since they switched to the new format.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 11:40:36 GMT -5
I don't know, Notre Dame never used Tillery at the Edge. I don't think that works, inside pass rush is his game, he gets into the back field a lot. Outside is just totally different and he isn't some awesome run defender. You make those picks based on value and the fact long-term you get two high end DTs. Next year would be interesting, might end up cutting Butler if that happened. I would hate trading up in the second at that cost. I just don't see much of a difference in talent. Run on TEs, OK I might move up. Yet I like that second and third tier. Like Wilson I've seen him rated 3rd/4th round to guys thinking 5th/6th. I'm just not crazy high on Smith and while I really like Sternberger he is risky. I can see a trade down from 32 if you want to get into that range, maybe move up slightly like using a 4th. Not two thirds though. I actually think trading down for Future picks would be my goal. Late second till the 5th round seems like the value sections of this draft. Just spit balling, but is Smith or Sternberger that much better than Warring and Wilson? At TE if there was a huge run I can see things getting interesting. Like three go in the first or something like that. Yet at WR, it's kinda a huge group all bunched together. You'll have a run for sure, but what's the huge difference in talent? I really like Brown, yet end of second round there will be 3-5 of the top ten WRs left, heck that 2nd and third might get you two top 10 WRs. Won't you have a good shot at Harry, Boykins, Ridley, Samuel, Harmon, Campbell, Whiteside, and Isabella? More than a few of those guys will be there. Maybe it's just me, but they all have issues and I just don't see a huge difference. Plus the next few tiers are crazy deep. Given how we draft WRs let's take two guys and spread out the risk. I will say outside Brown, one guy stands out as maybe a guy worth trading up for, Deebo Samuel. It's just crazy hard judging WRs for the Patriots, which is why I'd play it safe and go for value in a deep class. Obviously we don’t know and a third to trade up in the second is too much but maybe you get back a 4th or 5th as well. The difference between those guys and Warring are readiness. I like Wilson though and I think he could be a target if theirs. Warring doesn’t seem like a guy they will want based on where he’s now being talked about. He should be a 5th or later maybe a late 4... maybe... but guy wasn’t even productive so he’s raw and not productive at a small school. They need a guy ready to step in and contribute. Kaden Smith is pretty hard to get a handle on. Some people early in felt he was a top 2 or 3 tight end and a first round pick. Others think he came out a year too early. And other reports are pretty lousy on him. Then you get a guy like Parham almost out of no where being talked about as a second round pick... small school - really productive. He seems more like a Patriot than Warring. Don’t the Patriots typically go for productive players over toolsy ones? Even their raw small school guys dominated the competition. Warring is raw compared to the group, new to position etc. Yet he's a totally different level than Parham, who frankly isn't even a TE, just a big WR. He can't block and his level of competition was very very low. There's small school and then there's Stetson. Like who the hell has him going 2nd round? I don't mind the guy as a 6th or 7th round gamble because his size is crazy. He's 6'8" with massive arms and hands, but like 230-240 with these small little legs. Sure Patriots like production, but they like prototypical size guys also. No more of a gamble than guys like Garcia and Rivers a few years back. Like Warring needs work,yet can already make big plays, flashes on tape was something everyone keeps saying. For me he's like Hockenson to start the year, maybe he never fully develops, but if he does you have a top 15 pick type TE. I'm not even Warring's biggest fan, but I don't mind gambling on upside when you can double dip and get guys like Kaden Smith, Dax Raymond, Drew Sample, Foster Monroe, Alize Mack, heck even a Tom Sweeney or you receiving guys like Wilson, Knox, and Oliver. I look at stacking talent, not just trying to find Gronks replacement. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5
I miss the all day Saturday all day Sunday format. It was intense, but also a thing of beauty. Football overload for your Brain. Now it's all about ratings and yea it's on at night time. I'll take 12 on Saturday.
I think RJP said it, we'll stay up waiting only to watch them trade the pick.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 25, 2019 11:56:15 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 25, 2019 12:06:17 GMT -5
I miss the all day Saturday all day Sunday format. It was intense, but also a thing of beauty. Football overload for your Brain. Now it's all about ratings and yea it's on at night time. I'll take 12 on Saturday. I think RJP said it, we'll stay up waiting only to watch them trade the pick. I can't imagine the Friday night 7 pm is even a ratings efficient timeslot. They're also going head to head with the MLB, NBA and NHL. The most efficient way to do it ratings-wise would be to do it in early April like they used to and probably do Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday with rounds 4-7 starting at like 7 pm EST on Wednesday and going until around midnight. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 12:10:57 GMT -5
This makes me not like AJ Brown... thanks a lot.... |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 25, 2019 12:38:11 GMT -5
This makes me not like AJ Brown... thanks a lot.... Everyone has an opinion LOL I just read one shredding my guy Stidham. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 12:49:03 GMT -5
This makes me not like AJ Brown... thanks a lot.... Everyone has an opinion LOL I just read one shredding my guy Stidham. That’s because Stidman sucks 😂🤣😂 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 14:21:17 GMT -5
Here’s my last online mock.... honestly, if the first 3 picks went like this, I might get overly excited. Really like all of them which means there’s no chance any of it happens. I love my Notre Dame guys, you love your Bama guys lol. I love it, your determined to get us a Bama RB. I think we are going to be disappointed.😂 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 14:27:01 GMT -5
Seems like there could be a run on DBs (specifically CBs) starting with Pittsburgh at 20. While that was originally assumed to either be Greedy Williams or Byron Murphy, the hottest name now as 1st CB off the board is Rock Ya-Sin (btw I originally thought his name was Rock-Ya Sin and assumed he'd be a hard hitting safety). I wouldn't be a die-hard if I didn't throw out Julien Love CB Notre Dame. Was seen as a first round pick for most of the year. Didn't blow people away after the season, yet he's a true cover corner that gets his hands on a lot of balls, which is always what I look for. He's now being projected late second to the third round. We don't need a CB, but a guy like him in that range would be a great value pick. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2019 14:35:48 GMT -5
Perry listed him in his Prototypical Patriot series and Miller likes him as a future starter.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 14:42:29 GMT -5
I would be happy to see the Pats get Warring and Stidham in the third. With the other picks get 1 OL, 1 DL, 1 edge/backer and a WR. Trade 1 off to next year. Some are saying their are only 15 guys with 1st round grades so BB could punt early. Next years draft is supposed to be much stronger for QBs and Brady will be closer to the end so getting an extra 1st rounder next year could set up a move for a QB. If you can get Stidham late third that is a pick I like. He's a boom/bust guy in my book. Needs to work on foot work, mistakes, handling pressure and playing well in big games. That being said he has a lot of arm talent and moves around really well. A lot of it comes down to how smart he is, if he's smart pick him, if not I'd pass. He has a lot of good NFL traits. Like he lost his top OG and RB in 2018 and that added more pressure than he could handle. Should have went back to College, but a good guy to sit for a few years. Even if he's just a good backup, it's worth it at that point. We just better take a QB, I like a lot of these guys. Taking a Stidham at that point, won't stop you from taking another guy next year either if he doesn't have it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 14:43:14 GMT -5
Here’s my last online mock.... honestly, if the first 3 picks went like this, I might get overly excited. Really like all of them which means there’s no chance any of it happens. I love my Notre Dame guys, you love your Bama guys lol. I love it, your determined to get us a Bama RB. I think we are going to be disappointed.😂 lol, i don’t really want a Bama back - my Jacobs thing was more conversational in nature. But Harris at the end of the 4th, I’d be all about. He’d be your big back. I doubt he’s still there then. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 14:48:46 GMT -5
I’m Starting to prep myself for a bunch of guys I’ve barely heard of getting picked by the Pats this weekend. And that’s with me having looked pretty hard at the draft this year. The Bruins are going to lose then I’ll flip over to the Pats trading their pick for a complete night of disappointment.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2019 14:50:31 GMT -5
You seem to be forgetting Rick Porcello getting crushed by his old team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 14:51:12 GMT -5
That's how we should draft a RB this year though, if one falls and the value is just too good to pass on. Crazy hard to predict that in Mocks though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 14:54:30 GMT -5
You seem to be forgetting Rick Porcello getting crushed by his old team. That’s because I’ve forgotten the Red Sox right now 😂🤣😂 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 14:59:07 GMT -5
I’m Starting to prep myself for a bunch of guys I’ve barely heard of getting picked by the Pats this weekend. And that’s with me having looked pretty hard at the draft this year. The Bruins are going to lose then I’ll flip over to the Pats trading their pick for a complete night of disappointment. I always like day two more and like day three the most. A good pick on day one would just be extra. I full expect a trade down, so them even making a pick would be something. I do enjoy watching to see which teams are smart and which teams just don't get it.😁 Like I can't wait to see what the Raiders do. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -5
So I'm going with the recent reports (dangerous bc it all could be bs) and say that if Fant drops into the late teens or early 20s, Pats will move up.
If not, DB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2019 17:22:01 GMT -5
So the let's say big names on the trading block are Agholor, Rosen, and now Thomas. Who knows if those are the guys, but it's almost a given they trade for a Veteran.
Assume the rumors about CBs are true and I wonder if a Jones for Agholor trade makes sense. Only thing is given Agholor huge salary the Eagles likely need to send us another pick. Either that or maybe they move Dawson to safety. I get depth and value, yet you can only have so many CBs on a limited sized roster.
Fant makes perfect sense, as he's an elite guy athlectly. Like it doesn't get much better. Yet he had some issues in College, had more than one person say he's not a normal Patriot prospect. Maybe based on need they risk it, yet why leak that information? We never get leaked information on the actual Patriot pick. He would make the rest of the draft easier though, adding that elite player in the passing game early. Part of me wonders though why would he fall into the 20's?
Now seen two Mocks with Ferrell dropping to pick 32, that would make my night.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2019 17:41:10 GMT -5
So the let's say big names on the trading block are Agholor, Rosen, and now Thomas. Who knows if those are the guys, but it's almost a given they trade for a Veteran. Assume the rumors about CBs are true and I wonder if a Jones for Agholor trade makes sense. Only thing is given Agholor huge salary the Eagles likely need to send us another pick. Either that or maybe they move Dawson to safety. I get depth and value, yet you can only have so many CBs on a limited sized roster. Fant makes perfect sense, as he's an elite guy athlectly. Like it doesn't get much better. Yet he had some issues in College, had more than one person say he's not a normal Patriot prospect. Maybe based on need they risk it, yet why leak that information? We never get leaked information on the actual Patriot pick. He would make the rest of the draft easier though, adding that elite player in the passing game early. Part of me wonders though why would he fall into the 20's? Now seen two Mocks with Ferrell dropping to pick 32, that would make my night. Fant really should be a 20’s prospect - he’s a tight end. Those guys don’t normally go that high. Seems to be a lot of talk on tight ends this year. Maybe they are gaining value around the league, but it could also just be “expert talk” and not real team feelings. On the flip side, if the talk is real and it’s a really deep class then a team is more likely to wait until the second and 3rd and take advantage of the linemen. Who knows tho... this is a very interesting draft. I’m really disappointed that I have to juggle this and the Bruins |
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