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2019 Patriots Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2019 23:56:57 GMT -5
I love a draft where the biggest issue is drafting a very good CB because we might not need him. The trade downs got us the picks back and then some. I'm all for just taking good players as long as needs get filled. We might want to go best player available in the 4th with at least two of those picks. So many good players left. You got guys that can start day one! I think part of the issue is if they did that same move and drafted Irv Smith, fans might have understood because we would've made big strides to address our needs. Especially when you consider they traded up for Duke Dawson last year and he barely played, and might not even make the team this year, making that a total waste. Our TEs are the weakest group we've had in the Brady era, by far, unless we make a trade. Now, obviously Bill knows what he is doing but when you're a fan looking at the depth chart, it gives you more piece of mind knowing the needs are addressed. Seven rounds my friend. I get it, Smith and certain other guys were the it names. I really liked Sternberger, yet outside the top two guys the other had some issues. Like Johnson is a better prospect than Smith for me. Now if we can't get another TE that has a chance at making an impact I would be right there with you. It's a deep class though. Big part of the draft is getting value, not just overdrafting for need. Maybe a trade will happen. I just don't see Bill rolling with Jenkins and a bunch of guys that might not even make the team. Hernandez went 4th round, a lot of TEs can be found later because a lot of College offenses don't know how to use them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2019 3:24:54 GMT -5
Ok I'm a draft junkie and I can't help it. This could be a big round for the Patriots, lots of talent available. Like a crazy good amount. We might trade down to get a 5th or 6th rounder, yet I hope we don't punt this round. So let's look at the good value guys.
QBs- Finley, Stidham, and Thorson for me.
Like who knows if the Patriots like any QBs right? Stidham seems like good value here, wouldn't complain about Thorson, but would likely wait on him given other talent.
S- Gardner-Johnson, Thompson, and Hooker
What's not to love? Those are three good choices, I love Thompson's upside.
CB- Julien Love
Not even close to a need, but great value
WR- Butler, Harmon, Ridley, Hall, Morgan Jr.
You could likely add a few names, yet just really good value. Want to gamble on a speed outside guy? Hall would be worth it, Ridley is great value and I love Morgan.
LB- Wilson, Coney, Tranquill
Love all three.
DT- Willis, Wise
Willis is good value if the Patriots would draft him. I also like Wise as an interior pass rushers and who doesn't want another set of Brothers?
DE- Jackson, Omenihu, Nelson, Bryant and Crosby
Chance to add size as the first four are bigger. I love Jackson, but like them all.
OL- Jordan, Samiu, Edwards
Not bad value, but Jordan as a guard/center would be my choice.
RB- Williams, Love, Williams
Not happening, but good value.
TE- Smith, Moreau, Wilson, Raymond, and Mack
Kinda given up guessing what they will do at TE, yet these are my top guys left. Smith is likely the best choice in the 4th, but it really depends what you want. Moreau gives you great blocking and upside, Wilson is by far the best pure receiving TE left, Raymond offers you some down field ability, and Mack is likely the best down field athletic guy left. I'd love to say Mack, his speed, Athletic ability and ability to make highlight reel catches is something we could use. Yet I wonder if he's even on the Patriots draft board. I will say I sure hope they take one, yet from a value point that could be hard. Lot's of really good players are other positions.
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Post by costpet on Apr 27, 2019 6:39:43 GMT -5
I think that the Pats were ready to pick Isabella, when AZ jumped in and grabbed him 2 picks before. That’s why they immediately traded out of their next pick. He would have been great.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 7:12:02 GMT -5
The Dolphins crushed that Rosen trade. Basically traded this years second and a 7th for Rosen, a 4th this year and a 2nd and 5th next year... WOW
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 7:19:23 GMT -5
I think that the Pats were ready to pick Isabella, when AZ jumped in and grabbed him 2 picks before. That’s why they immediately traded out of their next pick. He would have been great. It’s possible, but I always had them trading out of that pick. Just way too much depth in the 3rd and 4th rounds to not load up there with extra picks, plus they added a future pick in all their movements. I’m more confident in their 3 third round picks contributing than I am their second with Williams. Winovich was an absolute steal. He would have been a reach at 32 but “experts” still would have been ok with it. Harris is the big back they have been looking for and he’s versatile and can even catch it a bit. Great in pass protection too. Fits them perfectly. Some people think Cajuste is the best left tackle in the draft and add Dante coaching him and I fully expect him to be really good here.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 7:28:28 GMT -5
I love a draft where the biggest issue is drafting a very good CB because we might not need him. The trade downs got us the picks back and then some. I'm all for just taking good players as long as needs get filled. We might want to go best player available in the 4th with at least two of those picks. So many good players left. You got guys that can start day one! I think part of the issue is if they did that same move and drafted Irv Smith, fans might have understood because we would've made big strides to address our needs. Especially when you consider they traded up for Duke Dawson last year and he barely played, and might not even make the team this year, making that a total waste. Our TEs are the weakest group we've had in the Brady era, by far, unless we make a trade. Now, obviously Bill knows what he is doing but when you're a fan looking at the depth chart, it gives you more piece of mind knowing the needs are addressed. If it makes you feel any better, it’s hard for tight ends to come in and contribute right away. Sure Gronk and Hernandez did but it wasn’t until their second years that they really exploded. The guys we were hoping for are not Gronk or Hernandez so we weren’t going to get a guy that’s a strong starter from day 1. Just wasn’t going to happen so instead of forcing it they have snagged guys they can use both immediately and who have long term core player potential. Also, I heard you mention Dawson twice now. Dawson didn’t play last year because he was hurt. We don’t know what he is, but we have no reason to feel he’s any less of a player today than we did last year. He didn’t get off IR until late and at that point the secondary was healthy and arguably the best in football, him not piercing that lineup is not an indictment on him. The more I read on Williams the more I’m convinced he’s NOT A TRADITIONAL CORNER. I doubt they expect him to be. He’s a defensive specialist and I bet they will also use him on special teams or hope to. He will cover tight ends and be used in zone schemes and he will be used as the underneath cover corner with help over the top. He likely doesn’t have the speed to be left on an island like out other quicker faster corners can. That’s ok tho, this is about building a complete team and he gives you a unique piece to play with on defense. And it’s a piece Bill values a lot considering what he’s said about these bigger receivers and move tight ends.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 7:38:44 GMT -5
Ok I'm a draft junkie and I can't help it. This could be a big round for the Patriots, lots of talent available. Like a crazy good amount. We might trade down to get a 5th or 6th rounder, yet I hope we don't punt this round. So let's look at the good value guys. QBs- Finley, Stidham, and Thorson for me. Like who knows if the Patriots like any QBs right? Stidham seems like good value here, wouldn't complain about Thorson, but would likely wait on him given other talent. S- Gardner-Johnson, Thompson, and Hooker What's not to love? Those are three good choices, I love Thompson's upside. CB- Julien Love Not even close to a need, but great value WR- Butler, Harmon, Ridley, Hall, Morgan Jr. You could likely add a few names, yet just really good value. Want to gamble on a speed outside guy? Hall would be worth it, Ridley is great value and I love Morgan. LB- Wilson, Coney, Tranquill Love all three. DT- Willis, Wise Willis is good value if the Patriots would draft him. I also like Wise as an interior pass rushers and who doesn't want another set of Brothers? DE- Jackson, Omenihu, Nelson, Bryant and Crosby Chance to add size as the first four are bigger. I love Jackson, but like them all. OL- Jordan, Samiu, Edwards Not bad value, but Jordan as a guard/center would be my choice. RB- Williams, Love, Williams Not happening, but good value. TE- Smith, Moreau, Wilson, Raymond, and Mack Kinda given up guessing what they will do at TE, yet these are my top guys left. Smith is likely the best choice in the 4th, but it really depends what you want. Moreau gives you great blocking and upside, Wilson is by far the best pure receiving TE left, Raymond offers you some down field ability, and Mack is likely the best down field athletic guy left. I'd love to say Mack, his speed, Athletic ability and ability to make highlight reel catches is something we could use. Yet I wonder if he's even on the Patriots draft board. I will say I sure hope they take one, yet from a value point that could be hard. Lot's of really good players are other positions. They are probably only making 2 4th round picks. They have 16, 31 and 32 of the 36 picks... they will probably trade the 32nd to move down into the 5th and maybe pick up a 6th... then maybe trade up in those rounds using some of their 4 7th round picks. That being said, I would go best player available too. Those safeties are tempting but man is their defensive backfield full right now. Would they move on from Harmon? I would love another receiver. I love the offensive line but I think you have to draft that later. With Wynn coming back and Cajuste in the fold, is there room for a 3rd first year player?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 27, 2019 8:12:35 GMT -5
I love the Haris pick the more I think about it too.
Sony Michel's durability is a huge question, and White is basically a wide out in the backfield who runs occasionally. When they drafted Michel they questioned how long the cartilage in his knee would last. It's supposedly pretty close to "bone on bone" with his knee.
Fully knowing this, Haris clears up any holes if Michel goes down for weeks at a time like last year. The only problem with Harris is that he's one dimensional like Michel. I read that Haris is a runner only. He doesn't have pass catching ability back there. Maybe the report was wrong, who knows and he does have that ability in him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 8:44:51 GMT -5
I love the Haris pick the more I think about it too. Sony Michel's durability is a huge question, and White is basically a wide out in the backfield who runs occasionally. When they drafted Michel they questioned how long the cartilage in his knee would last. It's supposedly pretty close to "bone on bone" with his knee. Fully knowing this, Haris clears up any holes if Michel goes down for weeks at a time like last year. The only problem with Harris is that he's one dimensional like Michel. I read that Haris is a runner only. He doesn't have pass catching ability back there. Maybe the report was wrong, who knows and he does have that ability in him. He’s not a dynamic receiver but he’s not incapable either. He had a 72 receiving grade this hear and a 78 the prior year with PFF and he caught 22 balls last year. He’s capable of slipping out of the backfield on play action and catching passes. Matt Miller with BR thinks he offers value as a 3rd down back and ranked him 4th in the class due to his inside running ability and the value he adds on 3rd down as both a blocker and receiver - says he has soft hands. WALTER football says same thing... Guy has potential to be a complete back just lacks home run speed. The Patriots want to run a lot and he gives them another featured back that allows them to give a slightly different look and keep everyone healthy and fresh.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 27, 2019 8:51:19 GMT -5
Yeah, Sony Michel should still carry the load and I love his play making ability, but I don't ever trust him to ever stay healthy at any point. The Harris pick was worth it for that reason alone.
The only regret the Pats could have is the number 32 pick with Lock sitting there.
Lock was basically a end of the first round talent that fell to the second round for whatever reason. The Pats better be right about that guy being a miss, that's the only guy where you could say he got away there. They would have had 5 years of control over him with the last pick of the first round too.
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Post by costpet on Apr 27, 2019 9:05:18 GMT -5
It’s way too early to pick Brady’s replacement. He’ll be around for another 2-3 years. Next year’s class is even better than this year’s. They have plenty of time to pick the ONE.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Apr 27, 2019 9:36:07 GMT -5
It’s way too early to pick Brady’s replacement. He’ll be around for another 2-3 years. Next year’s class is even better than this year’s. They have plenty of time to pick the ONE. It's a little difficult to do that when they are always picking around 30-32 in the first round. Hopefully they accumulate draft capital to at least be able to trade up to the middle of the round. Or just grab someone they like that few people have heard of and prove us all wrong. lol
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 9:42:46 GMT -5
I love the Haris pick the more I think about it too. Sony Michel's durability is a huge question, and White is basically a wide out in the backfield who runs occasionally. When they drafted Michel they questioned how long the cartilage in his knee would last. It's supposedly pretty close to "bone on bone" with his knee. Fully knowing this, Haris clears up any holes if Michel goes down for weeks at a time like last year. The only problem with Harris is that he's one dimensional like Michel. I read that Haris is a runner only. He doesn't have pass catching ability back there. Maybe the report was wrong, who knows and he does have that ability in him. He’s not a dynamic receiver but he’s not incapable either. He had a 72 receiving grade this hear and a 78 the prior year with PFF and he caught 22 balls last year. He’s capable of slipping out of the backfield on play action and catching passes. Matt Miller with BR thinks he offers value as a 3rd down back and ranked him 4th in the class due to his inside running ability and the value he adds on 3rd down as both a blocker and receiver - says he has soft hands. WALTER football says same thing... Guy has potential to be a complete back just lacks home run speed. The Patriots want to run a lot and he gives them another featured back that allows them to give a slightly different look and keep everyone healthy and fresh.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 27, 2019 9:45:21 GMT -5
It’s way too early to pick Brady’s replacement. He’ll be around for another 2-3 years. Next year’s class is even better than this year’s. They have plenty of time to pick the ONE. I don't care about when it happens, but they better not pass and trade down when it happens like they did with Lock, you know? That pick (whenever it comes) is going to determine whether the Pats stay competitive or turn into the Jets for the next decade. Crunch time coming soon in the upcoming drafts at this position (QB).
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2019 9:46:24 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about it but someone suggested the idea that they could use Williams the way they used Browner (especially at first).
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 9:50:26 GMT -5
Lock at 32 would have tough to swallow for a guy who would never contribute until Brady retired. Still think it's better to win as many Super Bowls as possible while Brady is still playing than to try to find someone who won't be 1/10th as good as him to replace him.
They probably will be all over Thorson in the 4th.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 9:56:30 GMT -5
I think part of the issue is if they did that same move and drafted Irv Smith, fans might have understood because we would've made big strides to address our needs. Especially when you consider they traded up for Duke Dawson last year and he barely played, and might not even make the team this year, making that a total waste. Our TEs are the weakest group we've had in the Brady era, by far, unless we make a trade. Now, obviously Bill knows what he is doing but when you're a fan looking at the depth chart, it gives you more piece of mind knowing the needs are addressed. If it makes you feel any better, it’s hard for tight ends to come in and contribute right away. Sure Gronk and Hernandez did but it wasn’t until their second years that they really exploded. The guys we were hoping for are not Gronk or Hernandez so we weren’t going to get a guy that’s a strong starter from day 1. Just wasn’t going to happen so instead of forcing it they have snagged guys they can use both immediately and who have long term core player potential. Also, I heard you mention Dawson twice now. Dawson didn’t play last year because he was hurt. We don’t know what he is, but we have no reason to feel he’s any less of a player today than we did last year. He didn’t get off IR until late and at that point the secondary was healthy and arguably the best in football, him not piercing that lineup is not an indictment on him. The more I read on Williams the more I’m convinced he’s NOT A TRADITIONAL CORNER. I doubt they expect him to be. He’s a defensive specialist and I bet they will also use him on special teams or hope to. He will cover tight ends and be used in zone schemes and he will be used as the underneath cover corner with help over the top. He likely doesn’t have the speed to be left on an island like out other quicker faster corners can. That’s ok tho, this is about building a complete team and he gives you a unique piece to play with on defense. And it’s a piece Bill values a lot considering what he’s said about these bigger receivers and move tight ends. I think I read somewhere that Belichick had a 1st round grade on Williams. No idea where.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2019 9:56:41 GMT -5
Would love to see Pats get Moreau and Finley today.
Not that I think Finley is the heir apparant but maybe he could beat out Hoyer and/or Etling and see what you have. On the 3rd day of the draft with this many picks, you might as well.
Wouldn't be surprised if they took a P or PK today. Again, why not.
I really dont expect to get more than 2-3 contributors today MAX. Doubt they'd turn over so many roster spots to what amounts to rookies ("amounts" bc I'm including much of last years class)
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 10:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 10:12:51 GMT -5
Trevon Wesco is a TE I wouldn't be surprised they take. He played all over the field at the Senior Bowl.
Also, I have to wonder if Rex Burkhead will remain on the roster. They can't really save much money by cutting him unfortunately.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 27, 2019 10:52:44 GMT -5
I think part of the issue is if they did that same move and drafted Irv Smith, fans might have understood because we would've made big strides to address our needs. Especially when you consider they traded up for Duke Dawson last year and he barely played, and might not even make the team this year, making that a total waste. Our TEs are the weakest group we've had in the Brady era, by far, unless we make a trade. Now, obviously Bill knows what he is doing but when you're a fan looking at the depth chart, it gives you more piece of mind knowing the needs are addressed. If it makes you feel any better, it’s hard for tight ends to come in and contribute right away. Sure Gronk and Hernandez did but it wasn’t until their second years that they really exploded. The guys we were hoping for are not Gronk or Hernandez so we weren’t going to get a guy that’s a strong starter from day 1. Just wasn’t going to happen so instead of forcing it they have snagged guys they can use both immediately and who have long term core player potential. Also, I heard you mention Dawson twice now. Dawson didn’t play last year because he was hurt. We don’t know what he is, but we have no reason to feel he’s any less of a player today than we did last year. He didn’t get off IR until late and at that point the secondary was healthy and arguably the best in football, him not piercing that lineup is not an indictment on him. The more I read on Williams the more I’m convinced he’s NOT A TRADITIONAL CORNER. I doubt they expect him to be. He’s a defensive specialist and I bet they will also use him on special teams or hope to. He will cover tight ends and be used in zone schemes and he will be used as the underneath cover corner with help over the top. He likely doesn’t have the speed to be left on an island like out other quicker faster corners can. That’s ok tho, this is about building a complete team and he gives you a unique piece to play with on defense. And it’s a piece Bill values a lot considering what he’s said about these bigger receivers and move tight ends. Its going to be even harder for him to crack the lineup now. Gilmore, McCourty, Jackson, JoeJuan, Jones, and Crossen. Plus Ebner and Brandon King. Are we going to carry 9 corners? Belichick knows what he is doing and people get hurt, but again, the peace of mind of getting TE taken care of as a fan would've been nice instead of this logjam.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 10:52:54 GMT -5
If they felt Lock was that good they probably would have taken him. Also, why will they automatically suck for a decade if they don’t have the guy when Brady retires? You could argue they are better off having a talented roster - no QB losing 12-13 games and drafting the next guy early in the first of that next draft.... one bad year won’t kill anyone... just saying.
Let’s focus on number 7
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 10:55:11 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better, it’s hard for tight ends to come in and contribute right away. Sure Gronk and Hernandez did but it wasn’t until their second years that they really exploded. The guys we were hoping for are not Gronk or Hernandez so we weren’t going to get a guy that’s a strong starter from day 1. Just wasn’t going to happen so instead of forcing it they have snagged guys they can use both immediately and who have long term core player potential. Also, I heard you mention Dawson twice now. Dawson didn’t play last year because he was hurt. We don’t know what he is, but we have no reason to feel he’s any less of a player today than we did last year. He didn’t get off IR until late and at that point the secondary was healthy and arguably the best in football, him not piercing that lineup is not an indictment on him. The more I read on Williams the more I’m convinced he’s NOT A TRADITIONAL CORNER. I doubt they expect him to be. He’s a defensive specialist and I bet they will also use him on special teams or hope to. He will cover tight ends and be used in zone schemes and he will be used as the underneath cover corner with help over the top. He likely doesn’t have the speed to be left on an island like out other quicker faster corners can. That’s ok tho, this is about building a complete team and he gives you a unique piece to play with on defense. And it’s a piece Bill values a lot considering what he’s said about these bigger receivers and move tight ends. Its going to be even harder for him to crack the lineup now. Gilmore, McCourty, Jackson, JoeJuan, Jones, and Crossen. Plus Ebner and Brandon King. Are we going to carry 9 corners? Belichick knows what he is doing and people get hurt, but again, the peace of mind of getting TE taken care of as a fan would've been nice instead of this logjam. I hear ya, just would have been false security that’s all I’m saying.... One other thing I forgot about is Jones played safety in the Super Bowl. Ebner and King are really just special teams.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 10:59:30 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better, it’s hard for tight ends to come in and contribute right away. Sure Gronk and Hernandez did but it wasn’t until their second years that they really exploded. The guys we were hoping for are not Gronk or Hernandez so we weren’t going to get a guy that’s a strong starter from day 1. Just wasn’t going to happen so instead of forcing it they have snagged guys they can use both immediately and who have long term core player potential. Also, I heard you mention Dawson twice now. Dawson didn’t play last year because he was hurt. We don’t know what he is, but we have no reason to feel he’s any less of a player today than we did last year. He didn’t get off IR until late and at that point the secondary was healthy and arguably the best in football, him not piercing that lineup is not an indictment on him. The more I read on Williams the more I’m convinced he’s NOT A TRADITIONAL CORNER. I doubt they expect him to be. He’s a defensive specialist and I bet they will also use him on special teams or hope to. He will cover tight ends and be used in zone schemes and he will be used as the underneath cover corner with help over the top. He likely doesn’t have the speed to be left on an island like out other quicker faster corners can. That’s ok tho, this is about building a complete team and he gives you a unique piece to play with on defense. And it’s a piece Bill values a lot considering what he’s said about these bigger receivers and move tight ends. Its going to be even harder for him to crack the lineup now. Gilmore, McCourty, Jackson, JoeJuan, Jones, and Crossen. Plus Ebner and Brandon King. Are we going to carry 9 corners? Belichick knows what he is doing and people get hurt, but again, the peace of mind of getting TE taken care of as a fan would've been nice instead of this logjam. Chung is getting older and Williams will probably be better at covering TEs and big WRs. McCourty is also getting older. Draft picks aren't always (ever) about just one season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2019 11:03:21 GMT -5
Ok I'm a draft junkie and I can't help it. This could be a big round for the Patriots, lots of talent available. Like a crazy good amount. We might trade down to get a 5th or 6th rounder, yet I hope we don't punt this round. So let's look at the good value guys. QBs- Finley, Stidham, and Thorson for me. Like who knows if the Patriots like any QBs right? Stidham seems like good value here, wouldn't complain about Thorson, but would likely wait on him given other talent. S- Gardner-Johnson, Thompson, and Hooker What's not to love? Those are three good choices, I love Thompson's upside. CB- Julien Love Not even close to a need, but great value WR- Butler, Harmon, Ridley, Hall, Morgan Jr. You could likely add a few names, yet just really good value. Want to gamble on a speed outside guy? Hall would be worth it, Ridley is great value and I love Morgan. LB- Wilson, Coney, Tranquill Love all three. DT- Willis, Wise Willis is good value if the Patriots would draft him. I also like Wise as an interior pass rushers and who doesn't want another set of Brothers? DE- Jackson, Omenihu, Nelson, Bryant and Crosby Chance to add size as the first four are bigger. I love Jackson, but like them all. OL- Jordan, Samiu, Edwards Not bad value, but Jordan as a guard/center would be my choice. RB- Williams, Love, Williams Not happening, but good value. TE- Smith, Moreau, Wilson, Raymond, and Mack Kinda given up guessing what they will do at TE, yet these are my top guys left. Smith is likely the best choice in the 4th, but it really depends what you want. Moreau gives you great blocking and upside, Wilson is by far the best pure receiving TE left, Raymond offers you some down field ability, and Mack is likely the best down field athletic guy left. I'd love to say Mack, his speed, Athletic ability and ability to make highlight reel catches is something we could use. Yet I wonder if he's even on the Patriots draft board. I will say I sure hope they take one, yet from a value point that could be hard. Lot's of really good players are other positions. They are probably only making 2 4th round picks. They have 16, 31 and 32 of the 36 picks... they will probably trade the 32nd to move down into the 5th and maybe pick up a 6th... then maybe trade up in those rounds using some of their 4 7th round picks. That being said, I would go best player available too. Those safeties are tempting but man is their defensive backfield full right now. Would they move on from Harmon? I would love another receiver. I love the offensive line but I think you have to draft that later. With Wynn coming back and Cajuste in the fold, is there room for a 3rd first year player? It's going to be like last year, half the rookies will get some injuries right before cut day and end up on the IR. I also think this draft if bad news for a lot of free agents that signed this year and some core special team players. So no I don't think Harmon is gone he's more SS, Johnson and Thompson are FS, Hooker though while not flashy can play both and screams Patriot. Yet Gardner was seen as a great special teams player, but might not be on the board issues with draft meetings. I think Johnson fits, could replace Karras. Yet I expect a ton of these guys to fly off the board quickly.
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