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2019 Patriots Offseason Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 3:46:53 GMT -5
Now all we need is Dmaineah and Pedro and we can really spice things up. Lol, I bow out a lot more than people think. I just repeat a lot. |
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Post by mobaz on May 2, 2019 7:35:39 GMT -5
Hey look, football conversation! www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4817474/how-drafting-jarrett-stidham-affects-patriots-qb-plansMike Reiss with a roster breakdown. Good discussion of the quarterback situation. I honestly thought they would take a 2nd rounder who could spot start and replace Hoyer (Will Grier maybe) or nothing, so I was surprised with them taking a 4th rounder and forcing themselves into a situation where they need 3 QBs or else a backup whom you don't want to have to start a game. That said, I'd rather Stidham and Hoyer than just Lock or Jones. I think the Pats are still short an OT (at least a veteran camp body) given both Wynn and Cajuste are coming off injuries. I also wish they had another rotational DT with some upside. And TE is gonna be very strange. But the team really filled in a lot of holes. I feel better about the WR situation after FA and draft, and they've really planned well on OL and DL. Secondary is gonna be nuts if they carry the late-season momentum. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2019 8:15:23 GMT -5
Notice who gets into these dumb arguments with everyone. Just remember, it's everyone else that is the problem. Maybe I should go troll the game day thread and complain about people bitching about how the teams does or because they Don't like Thornburg. Or how we shouldn't question the teams on a sports chat board. Nah I'll stick to a useful debate on the value of RBs. Have a wonderful day!😘 Calling out the negativity over a 7-3 win is not trolling. Bitching about a 7-3 win is. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2019 8:19:53 GMT -5
Hey look, football conversation! www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4817474/how-drafting-jarrett-stidham-affects-patriots-qb-plansMike Reiss with a roster breakdown. Good discussion of the quarterback situation. I honestly thought they would take a 2nd rounder who could spot start and replace Hoyer (Will Grier maybe) or nothing, so I was surprised with them taking a 4th rounder and forcing themselves into a situation where they need 3 QBs or else a backup whom you don't want to have to start a game. That said, I'd rather Stidham and Hoyer than just Lock or Jones. I think the Pats are still short an OT (at least a veteran camp body) given both Wynn and Cajuste are coming off injuries. I also wish they had another rotational DT with some upside. And TE is gonna be very strange. But the team really filled in a lot of holes. I feel better about the WR situation after FA and draft, and they've really planned well on OL and DL. Secondary is gonna be nuts if they carry the late-season momentum. I wouldn’t sleep on Ettling. There’s something going on with him. He traveled with the team last year which is basically unheard of for a practice squad guy and when Stidham visited it was Ettling that showed him around the building. They like him. I’m not sure if it’s as a WB or there’s a longer term plan for him as a coach but he’s highly thought of and they’ve spent a lot of time with him. It’s possible he’s the backup and not Hoyer. Not saying that’s what’s happening just saying I don’t think it’s out of the question. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2019 8:21:13 GMT -5
Maybe I should go troll the game day thread and complain about people bitching about how the teams does or because they Don't like Thornburg. Or how we shouldn't question the teams on a sports chat board. Nah I'll stick to a useful debate on the value of RBs. Have a wonderful day!😘 Calling out the negativity over a 7-3 win is not trolling. Bitching about a 7-3 win is. Were they bitching about the win or about Thornburg? |
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2019 8:33:12 GMT -5
Calling out the negativity over a 7-3 win is not trolling. Bitching about a 7-3 win is. Were they bitching about the win or about Thornburg? Thornburg, but whatever. Why single out the only negative of a great game and not even discuss anything else? It's like bitching is breathing to some people. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 2, 2019 9:50:37 GMT -5
Hey look, football conversation! www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4817474/how-drafting-jarrett-stidham-affects-patriots-qb-plansMike Reiss with a roster breakdown. Good discussion of the quarterback situation. I honestly thought they would take a 2nd rounder who could spot start and replace Hoyer (Will Grier maybe) or nothing, so I was surprised with them taking a 4th rounder and forcing themselves into a situation where they need 3 QBs or else a backup whom you don't want to have to start a game. That said, I'd rather Stidham and Hoyer than just Lock or Jones. I think the Pats are still short an OT (at least a veteran camp body) given both Wynn and Cajuste are coming off injuries. I also wish they had another rotational DT with some upside. And TE is gonna be very strange. But the team really filled in a lot of holes. I feel better about the WR situation after FA and draft, and they've really planned well on OL and DL. Secondary is gonna be nuts if they carry the late-season momentum. I wouldn’t sleep on Ettling. There’s something going on with him. He traveled with the team last year which is basically unheard of for a practice squad guy and when Stidham visited it was Ettling that showed him around the building. They like him. I’m not sure if it’s as a WB or there’s a longer term plan for him as a coach but he’s highly thought of and they’ve spent a lot of time with him. It’s possible he’s the backup and not Hoyer. Not saying that’s what’s happening just saying I don’t think it’s out of the question. Maybe it's just me but I see him getting cut and then announced he's joining the team as a coach of some sort. If he plays his cards right he could be the next Kliff Kingsbury. I think Bill just loves the guy and his football mind, more so than his actual play at QB. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2019 9:59:05 GMT -5
Were they bitching about the win or about Thornburg? Thornburg, but whatever. Why single out the only negative of a great game and not even discuss anything else? It's like bitching is breathing to some people. So you're constantly bitching about people who are constantly bitching? Got it. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2019 10:14:17 GMT -5
Thornburg, but whatever. Why single out the only negative of a great game and not even discuss anything else? It's like bitching is breathing to some people. So you're constantly bitching about people who are constantly bitching? Got it. Yes, in an attempt to make the board more enjoyable. Do you like being around overly negative people? It's my biggest pet peeve in life. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2019 10:39:30 GMT -5
So you're constantly bitching about people who are constantly bitching? Got it. Yes, in an attempt to make the board more enjoyable. Do you like being around overly negative people? It's my biggest pet peeve in life. Don't know if the personal sniping makes things more enjoyable. I'd doubt that. It's funny. I've been on a number of Red Sox chat sites and on some I'm seen as a "negative nellie" and I've been on other Red Sox chat sites and seen as a "Pollyanna". Some people see the glass as half empty and some see the glass as half full. Personally, I try to say that the glass is both half empty and half full because that would be also be accurate, and in my mind paint a truer picture. At the end of the day people are going to be who they are. You can't force people to be more positive and you can't force people to be more negative, and you can't force people to think exactly the way you think or feel. People are going to see things the way they see them. As far as the Thornburg thing goes, my guess was that the complaining was in the heat of the moment as he was being lousy again, thus reminding Red Sox fans of a deal that really, really didn't go well, and bringing up a debatable point of how long you give him to turn things around, which is a legit debate, because the one thing everybody can agree on is that they want to see the Red Sox roster be as upgraded as possible to win as many games as possible. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 2, 2019 10:48:49 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 10:56:30 GMT -5
So you're constantly bitching about people who are constantly bitching? Got it. Yes, in an attempt to make the board more enjoyable. Do you like being around overly negative people? It's my biggest pet peeve in life. I mean, this is impossible for you to do. You're making the board a less enjoyable place when you do this. You need to find a way to get rid of your pet peeve because that's a problem that you only have to deal with. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 2, 2019 11:44:51 GMT -5
Hey look, football conversation! www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4817474/how-drafting-jarrett-stidham-affects-patriots-qb-plansMike Reiss with a roster breakdown. Good discussion of the quarterback situation. I honestly thought they would take a 2nd rounder who could spot start and replace Hoyer (Will Grier maybe) or nothing, so I was surprised with them taking a 4th rounder and forcing themselves into a situation where they need 3 QBs or else a backup whom you don't want to have to start a game. That said, I'd rather Stidham and Hoyer than just Lock or Jones. I think the Pats are still short an OT (at least a veteran camp body) given both Wynn and Cajuste are coming off injuries. I also wish they had another rotational DT with some upside. And TE is gonna be very strange. But the team really filled in a lot of holes. I feel better about the WR situation after FA and draft, and they've really planned well on OL and DL. Secondary is gonna be nuts if they carry the late-season momentum. I wouldn’t sleep on Ettling. There’s something going on with him. He traveled with the team last year which is basically unheard of for a practice squad guy and when Stidham visited it was Ettling that showed him around the building. They like him. I’m not sure if it’s as a WB or there’s a longer term plan for him as a coach but he’s highly thought of and they’ve spent a lot of time with him. It’s possible he’s the backup and not Hoyer. Not saying that’s what’s happening just saying I don’t think it’s out of the question. Especially because they save money cutting Hoyer, and is he really meaningfully better? |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2019 11:49:19 GMT -5
I wouldn’t sleep on Ettling. There’s something going on with him. He traveled with the team last year which is basically unheard of for a practice squad guy and when Stidham visited it was Ettling that showed him around the building. They like him. I’m not sure if it’s as a WB or there’s a longer term plan for him as a coach but he’s highly thought of and they’ve spent a lot of time with him. It’s possible he’s the backup and not Hoyer. Not saying that’s what’s happening just saying I don’t think it’s out of the question. Maybe it's just me but I see him getting cut and then announced he's joining the team as a coach of some sort. If he plays his cards right he could be the next Kliff Kingsbury. I think Bill just loves the guy and his football mind, more so than his actual play at QB. I could see this happening no doubt. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2019 11:53:54 GMT -5
I read this earlier; interesting stuff. What’s interesting about the draft mag angle is that they are published well before the draft and Williams was perceived to be a late riser. Or at least he popped up on peoples minds as a Patriot link a couple weeks prior maybe? Some times the over analysis of the pre-draft workouts influence these rankings too much. The mags don’t have that issue. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2019 13:56:47 GMT -5
Yes, in an attempt to make the board more enjoyable. Do you like being around overly negative people? It's my biggest pet peeve in life. Don't know if the personal sniping makes things more enjoyable. I'd doubt that. It's funny. I've been on a number of Red Sox chat sites and on some I'm seen as a "negative nellie" and I've been on other Red Sox chat sites and seen as a "Pollyanna". Some people see the glass as half empty and some see the glass as half full. Personally, I try to say that the glass is both half empty and half full because that would be also be accurate, and in my mind paint a truer picture. At the end of the day people are going to be who they are. You can't force people to be more positive and you can't force people to be more negative, and you can't force people to think exactly the way you think or feel. People are going to see things the way they see them. As far as the Thornburg thing goes, my guess was that the complaining was in the heat of the moment as he was being lousy again, thus reminding Red Sox fans of a deal that really, really didn't go well, and bringing up a debatable point of how long you give him to turn things around, which is a legit debate, because the one thing everybody can agree on is that they want to see the Red Sox roster be as upgraded as possible to win as many games as possible. I just made a simple point. I was almost talking to myself in the game day thread when it was going great. Then as soon as Thornburg gave up 2 runs, a ton of people rushed to the board. I don't get that because it's fun to feel good about the Red Sox doing well and sharing that emotion with others. Can anyone argue with that last point? I don't want people to think exactly what I think. It just gets old to only see the negative while most people shut up when there isn't anything negative to talk about. I'll shut up now. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2019 14:18:32 GMT -5
Don't know if the personal sniping makes things more enjoyable. I'd doubt that. It's funny. I've been on a number of Red Sox chat sites and on some I'm seen as a "negative nellie" and I've been on other Red Sox chat sites and seen as a "Pollyanna". Some people see the glass as half empty and some see the glass as half full. Personally, I try to say that the glass is both half empty and half full because that would be also be accurate, and in my mind paint a truer picture. At the end of the day people are going to be who they are. You can't force people to be more positive and you can't force people to be more negative, and you can't force people to think exactly the way you think or feel. People are going to see things the way they see them. As far as the Thornburg thing goes, my guess was that the complaining was in the heat of the moment as he was being lousy again, thus reminding Red Sox fans of a deal that really, really didn't go well, and bringing up a debatable point of how long you give him to turn things around, which is a legit debate, because the one thing everybody can agree on is that they want to see the Red Sox roster be as upgraded as possible to win as many games as possible. I just made a simple point. I was almost talking to myself in the game day thread when it was going great. Then as soon as Thornburg gave up 2 runs, a ton of people rushed to the board. I don't get that because it's fun to feel good about the Red Sox doing well and sharing that emotion with others. Can anyone argue with that last point? I don't want people to think exactly what I think. It just gets old to only see the negative while most people shut up when there isn't anything negative to talk about. I'll shut up now. I think you also have to factor in that the Red Sox are sitting at 14-17 and the season has been aggravating thus far so not everybody is doing cartwheels over actually winning a game. The attitude at the moment for a lot of people is "they better start winning some games" as opposed to "isn't it amazing and lovely that they've won a few games in a row". That comes with great expectations. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2019 14:31:20 GMT -5
Let’s talk about Brady... I’m ok with him missing the current workouts but he really needs to be at the passing camp.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 14:57:05 GMT -5
Don't know if the personal sniping makes things more enjoyable. I'd doubt that. It's funny. I've been on a number of Red Sox chat sites and on some I'm seen as a "negative nellie" and I've been on other Red Sox chat sites and seen as a "Pollyanna". Some people see the glass as half empty and some see the glass as half full. Personally, I try to say that the glass is both half empty and half full because that would be also be accurate, and in my mind paint a truer picture. At the end of the day people are going to be who they are. You can't force people to be more positive and you can't force people to be more negative, and you can't force people to think exactly the way you think or feel. People are going to see things the way they see them. As far as the Thornburg thing goes, my guess was that the complaining was in the heat of the moment as he was being lousy again, thus reminding Red Sox fans of a deal that really, really didn't go well, and bringing up a debatable point of how long you give him to turn things around, which is a legit debate, because the one thing everybody can agree on is that they want to see the Red Sox roster be as upgraded as possible to win as many games as possible. I just made a simple point. I was almost talking to myself in the game day thread when it was going great. Then as soon as Thornburg gave up 2 runs, a ton of people rushed to the board. I don't get that because it's fun to feel good about the Red Sox doing well and sharing that emotion with others. Can anyone argue with that last point? I don't want people to think exactly what I think. It just gets old to only see the negative while most people shut up when there isn't anything negative to talk about. I'll shut up now. That was the case for one game that I forgot was the get away game. I would have been there praising Walden and other's just like you. I get too much flack for posting too much here. I can argue with that point. I think a lot of people were just going home or realizing their was a day game in the middle of the week and that's why there wasn't a lot of posts. I was right with you 2 days ago when Porcello was pitching great. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2019 16:09:22 GMT -5
Interesting wording:
Tyreek Hill's representation has issued a "detailed denial" to the NFL of the child abuse accusations against Hill.
"(Hill) categorically denies he has ever 'punched' his son in the chest or anywhere on his body, or otherwise touched him in the chest in a mean-spirited manner or as a form of discipline," Hill's lawyer said.
Or how about just “ever” Tyreek?!?!
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Post by beasleyrockah on May 2, 2019 16:33:30 GMT -5
Let’s talk about Brady... I’m ok with him missing the current workouts but he really needs to be at the passing camp. Tom Curran has mentioned Belichick usually tells players to commit to the OTA's in their entirety or not at all, but I can't imagine he'd do that with Brady. I'd bet against it, but only because Brady is unlikely to commit after skipping them last offseason. It feels like part of a compromise he's made with his family in order to continue playing. He should be there and deserves criticism for skipping out even if it won't necessarily have a tangible effect in the actual games. |
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Post by texs31 on May 2, 2019 20:50:18 GMT -5
Pats signed Shilique Calhoun amid a series of transactions today (most involving the official signing of UDFAs that had already been announced)
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Post by voiceofreason on May 3, 2019 7:36:50 GMT -5
Let’s talk about Brady... I’m ok with him missing the current workouts but he really needs to be at the passing camp. Yes he does! I get the whole family thing and all but it is his job and he has made that decision to play. And before anyone comes back with how demanding the season is and all that, hey would you do it if you could? Is your job demanding? He gets months off so be the leader and lead. At this moment the Pats need him to be there getting on the same page with the new receivers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 3, 2019 8:55:22 GMT -5
Pats signed Shilique Calhoun amid a series of transactions today (most involving the official signing of UDFAs that had already been announced) This is a quiet signing that everyone should pay attention to. He was an early 3rd round pick last year. He was a 3 time all American at Mich St(very impressive) and is pretty damn athletic. However, the real reason to pay attention is because Bill has a good track record of finding these types of guys after getting some pro film on them. It’s a lot easier (see Van Noy and Guy) for Bill to know what type of role they could fill. He’s the master at putting players in a spot to succeed. Don’t be surprised if he’s playing a key role for the team and you not knowing where he came from. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 3, 2019 9:04:35 GMT -5
Sure you want Brady there, but he's likely never doing those again. That's his deal with his Wife so he spends more time with her and his family. Given his age, I also don't mind the less work and wear on his body even if it's not a ton. It's a long season when you add in training camp and the fact we go to the Superbowl every year.
He works out all the time with Edelman, so get Harry with him. I'm pairing those two up and getting them to do some workouts with Brady. Which I'm sure Brady is down for. Biggest thing for Harry though is getting to know the playbook by training camp!
I'd also love them to get a veteran OT and DT. Cowart is an interesting player, but really seemed like a 3-4 defensive end. Good against the run, but nothing really against the pass. Yet he's rather small for that role in a 4-3 and it's a passing league. Someone like Allen Bailey would be perfect. At the minimum make Cowart earn his spot on the team because right now he's kinda of a roster lock when he seems like a practice squad player. He only played one year as a starter and barely played besides that. Heck if you wanted the total opposite of Bailey you could bring back Danny Shelton and give you a 700 pound tandem at DT.
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