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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2019 23:39:31 GMT -5
I don't think anyone gets cut this year. It's all about depth and a very solid signing. You can't find starting OT during the season.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 8, 2019 4:49:36 GMT -5
I don't think anyone gets cut this year. It's all about depth and a very solid signing. You can't find starting OT during the season. The way it’s structured it’s a good contract. If camp comes and the rookies and Wynn are ahead of things then he can be cut without a big deal or they keep him and he’s barely even active on game day and they get a cap credit next year bc he doesn’t earn his LtBE incentives this year. If he plays a ton it’s not good but we need the option and Dante could be that guy. I’m with UMass, I don’t think Cannon is on the block this year. I think the long shot is Thuney gets traded. I don’t think it happens but if the stars align. Wynn is back and can handle LT and Froholdt comes into camp and they are confident he can start. I don’t think it happens tho even with those things due to the fact Thuney is an emergency fill in at LT and they’d need a first or second round pick to make it worth while since he would bring a 3rd round comp pick by leaving. |
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Post by texs31 on May 8, 2019 9:53:09 GMT -5
Not going to do a Roster Projection (I'd likely go with something similar to RJP) but maybe some non-zero probability scenarios at each position:
QB - They keep 3 QBs but Etling is the backup over Hoyer (the reasoning - they have built a running/short-passing game that, for a game or 2, a guy in the system can just work with - anything longer than that, and they're done anyway so . . .)
RB - Pretty stable here. Maybe Michel can't pick up the passing game so Harris' versatility beats him out? EDIT - Both make the team, tbc
WR - none of the veteran acquisitions make the team as Berrios and/or one of the UDFA's earn spot(s)
TE - Beck, I guess
OT - I was originally going with Cannon cut but what's said above makes sense. They signed Veldheer so they'd have 2 veteran T's. Exchanging 1 for the other doesn't make sense. So, Thuney traded is a common one (maybe moving Wynn inside is the non-zero idea here). Maybe Cajuste gets the Foxboro Flu
DT - I've seen most predict Cowart makes the team (and I'd lean that way too) but he's obviously not a lock. Maybe Parry earns the nod (Phil Perry predicted this in his projection so it's not really mine)
EDGE - Rivers finally gets it and earns PT (maybe even over Wise)
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DB - JMc regresses from last year (remember, he played in the last pre-season game - a bad sign - and spent much of the offseason trying to learn S) and is cut.
ST - I've seen the 2 Punters "prediction" (someone who predicted it said Bailey is more of a kicking specialist than a pure punter but I'm not sure what that means). That would be as close to 0 probability as it gets so I'm going to go with 1 of Ebner/King/Slater doesn't make the team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 8, 2019 11:39:47 GMT -5
I don't think anyone gets cut this year. It's all about depth and a very solid signing. You can't find starting OT during the season. The way it’s structured it’s a good contract. If camp comes and the rookies and Wynn are ahead of things then he can be cut without a big deal or they keep him and he’s barely even active on game day and they get a cap credit next year bc he doesn’t earn his LtBE incentives this year. If he plays a ton it’s not good but we need the option and Dante could be that guy. I’m with UMass, I don’t think Cannon is on the block this year. I think the long shot is Thuney gets traded. I don’t think it happens but if the stars align. Wynn is back and can handle LT and Froholdt comes into camp and they are confident he can start. I don’t think it happens tho even with those things due to the fact Thuney is an emergency fill in at LT and they’d need a first or second round pick to make it worth while since he would bring a 3rd round comp pick by leaving. I kinda hope he comes in and is the starter. Wasn't that long ago he was considered one of the better LTs in the game. Wynn and Cajuste are both basically rookies. Let them work there way into the mix. Our third OT will play a lot and the 4th guy likely plays as both veteran OTs get injured a lot of the last three years. Also wouldn't be surprised if they used the young guys like they did with Soldier play three OTs when running the ball. Very good problem to have. Like this is why the Patriots are the Patriots, unreal depth year in and year out. An injury to an OT doesn't kill us now. Thuney is interesting, because the Patriots do have a very long history of starting rookie guards, unlike OTs. I'd also add that Wynn can play guard also and many thought that was his future position. Like Mike Reiss a little while back said Cajuste given his size could be the future LT and Fronholt has played center also. Gives you a ton of options long-term. Yet you'd have to get a ton for Thuney. The wild card for me would be another player at a position of need. A long-shot for sure, but it wouldn't shock me either. It certainly isn't a bad thing to have the best OL depth in recent memory as Brady gets older and you likely get a 3rd when he leaves. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 8, 2019 11:52:44 GMT -5
I think there are a ton of surprise cuts or they'll have more guys on the IR than any other team. I think you could see a bunch of trades also. We'll have a crazy deep list of useful players that might be cut. I can see teams targeting guys like Crossen, DE Davis, G Karras etc if they can't make the team. You also know Bill will add players,he always does.
We have a ton of special team only players and they better watch out for the young guys.
It's going to be a fun Training Camp that's for sure. Most stacked roster I've seen in a while.
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Post by mobaz on May 8, 2019 13:13:30 GMT -5
www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/05/patriots-offense-had-big-tells-in-super-bowl-liii-los-angeles-rams-defenders-say.htmlThere's probably more to it than show here, but Rams talking about patriots' "tells" in SB. I'd seen elsewhere the lack of flexibility in the RB position led to more predictability on the offense. That's where missing Dion Lewis shows up; he filled the gap between the Michel/Blount "gonna run" type and Vereen/White "we're throwing" back since Lewis could do either successfully. Rex Burkhead hasn't stepped in, and it's not clearly Harris' role either. It'll be hard to have the "we're gonna run right at you and succeed anyway" mentality that the combo of Devlin/Gronk/Mason & Crew sustained with Gronk gone. On OL, maybe the Veldheer signing is a precursor to Wynn starting on the PUP, which would basically guarantee Veldheer starting 6-10 games at LT, and likely 16+. Definitely agree that they have a very solid unit to start the season and are set up for multi-year success. BB (w/ Scar) has played the long game on OL for years, an underrated aspect of the Pats continued success.
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Post by texs31 on May 8, 2019 13:18:11 GMT -5
Much of Michel's pre-draft report indicated he had the potential to be a serious threat in the passing game. I think the time he missed in the offseason, hurt that part of his transition (and maybe the Pats said, just go do what you already know). It wouldn't surprise me if he becomes a more flexible option this year.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 8, 2019 13:19:37 GMT -5
DB - JMc regresses from last year (remember, he played in the last pre-season game - a bad sign - and spent much of the offseason trying to learn S) and is cut. JMac - graded out as having his best year last year. Also his dead money is greater than his cap hit. He’s a roster lock unless he literally can’t play. |
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Post by texs31 on May 8, 2019 13:23:01 GMT -5
Right after I finished that one, I intended to go back and check out his contract details and then got distracted. Good call.
EDIT - I'll change my DB one to "Chung isn't as far along on his recovery and starts the season on PUP"
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 8, 2019 13:49:43 GMT -5
www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/05/patriots-offense-had-big-tells-in-super-bowl-liii-los-angeles-rams-defenders-say.htmlThere's probably more to it than show here, but Rams talking about patriots' "tells" in SB. I'd seen elsewhere the lack of flexibility in the RB position led to more predictability on the offense. That's where missing Dion Lewis shows up; he filled the gap between the Michel/Blount "gonna run" type and Vereen/White "we're throwing" back since Lewis could do either successfully. Rex Burkhead hasn't stepped in, and it's not clearly Harris' role either. It'll be hard to have the "we're gonna run right at you and succeed anyway" mentality that the combo of Devlin/Gronk/Mason & Crew sustained with Gronk gone. On OL, maybe the Veldheer signing is a precursor to Wynn starting on the PUP, which would basically guarantee Veldheer starting 6-10 games at LT, and likely 16+. Definitely agree that they have a very solid unit to start the season and are set up for multi-year success. BB (w/ Scar) has played the long game on OL for years, an underrated aspect of the Pats continued success. Typical Patriots, saving plays and formations for when it matters most. It's like they set them up. Have you seen any reports that Wynn is behind schedule? Like given when the injury happened he should be good to go hopefully. I worry more about Cajuste as the injury was much more recent, he will miss all the extra camps Wynn was part of and he could be the PUP guy. Yet I'd still think he'd make the first 53 roster so he can come back if needed later on. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 8, 2019 14:22:24 GMT -5
www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/05/patriots-offense-had-big-tells-in-super-bowl-liii-los-angeles-rams-defenders-say.htmlThere's probably more to it than show here, but Rams talking about patriots' "tells" in SB. I'd seen elsewhere the lack of flexibility in the RB position led to more predictability on the offense. That's where missing Dion Lewis shows up; he filled the gap between the Michel/Blount "gonna run" type and Vereen/White "we're throwing" back since Lewis could do either successfully. Rex Burkhead hasn't stepped in, and it's not clearly Harris' role either. It'll be hard to have the "we're gonna run right at you and succeed anyway" mentality that the combo of Devlin/Gronk/Mason & Crew sustained with Gronk gone. On OL, maybe the Veldheer signing is a precursor to Wynn starting on the PUP, which would basically guarantee Veldheer starting 6-10 games at LT, and likely 16+. Definitely agree that they have a very solid unit to start the season and are set up for multi-year success. BB (w/ Scar) has played the long game on OL for years, an underrated aspect of the Pats continued success. Typical Patriots, saving plays and formations for when it matters most. It's like they set them up. Have you seen any reports that Wynn is behind schedule? Like given when the injury happened he should be good to go hopefully. I worry more about Cajuste as the injury was much more recent, he will miss all the extra camps Wynn was part of and he could be the PUP guy. Yet I'd still think he'd make the first 53 roster so he can come back if needed later on. I have not and would have expected them to be more aggressive at Tackle if he was... |
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Post by texs31 on May 8, 2019 15:30:53 GMT -5
Ellington released (EDIT) with an injury waiver
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Post by texs31 on May 9, 2019 6:37:10 GMT -5
Schefter reporting that Ben Watson is in New England today.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 9, 2019 15:07:53 GMT -5
No surprise, but according to Ian Rappaport, Ben Watson will be signing with the Patriots.
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Post by texs31 on May 9, 2019 16:10:12 GMT -5
Love this. Watson one of my favorites even when he wasnt on the Pats.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 9, 2019 19:36:46 GMT -5
Love this. Watson one of my favorites even when he wasnt on the Pats. Bet he retires during camp... ha |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2019 10:50:17 GMT -5
I don't know, sure it's an upgrade. Yet how much does he have left? Maybe my memory is off, but I always remembered him kinda like Malcolm Brown. A useful player that I expected a lot more from. Like Allen Bailey gets me a lot more excited and frankly I was hoping for a bigger upgrade. I'm in the RJP camp, like I can see him retiring because he can't make the team if Jenkins out plays him.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2019 11:06:50 GMT -5
I don't know, sure it's an upgrade. Yet how much does he have left? Maybe my memory is off, but I always remembered him kinda like Malcolm Brown. A useful player that I expected a lot more from. Like Allen Bailey gets me a lot more excited and frankly I was hoping for a bigger upgrade. I'm in the RJP camp, like I can see him retiring because he can't make the team if Jenkins out plays him. Let’s say he’s on the team; this is simply a competent player not a game changer or anything but having someone competent is a nice thing to know you have. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on May 10, 2019 11:28:29 GMT -5
It's important to remember the Patriots aren't replacing All Pro TE Rob Gronkowski from last year's team, they are replacing final year of his career Rob Gronkowski, and that guy was a good but not great TE. In terms of pure production in the passing game there wasn't huge separation between Watson and Gronk last year. I don't see the roster battle being Seferian-Jenkins vs Watson, they'll likely need both unless two of Izzo, Beck, Lacosse, etc. emerge (or if Watson/Jenkins just crater or get hurt). They should carry 3 TE's at minimum.
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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2019 12:23:42 GMT -5
Inman visiting NE per Rap Sheet
EDIT- and hes now agreed to terms
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 10, 2019 12:27:11 GMT -5
Gronk was very productive in the AFCCG and Super Bowl. I think its great how he went out the way he did though. Would’ve been nice to have him back one more year but going out as a Patriot lifer, hall of famer and 3x champ is hard to complain about.
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Post by philarhody on May 10, 2019 13:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2019 13:54:33 GMT -5
He runs in the 4.4s or at least he used too. Not a ton of guys don't get drafted with above average 40 times and awesome 3 cone drills. Yet he only had one year of okay production in four years at Virginia. Kinda surprised he was still available. Kinda guy that gives you very good depth as a 4th or 5th guy and might be able to give you more. Going to be an interesting camp battle at WR now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 10, 2019 13:56:22 GMT -5
According to WEEI.com, tight end Kyle Rudolph of the Vikings could be available in a potential deal. Thoughts?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2019 14:06:45 GMT -5
According to WEEI.com, tight end Kyle Rudolph of the Vikings could be available in a potential deal. Thoughts? They would have traded for him rather than sign Watson if he was available or if they wanted him. Who knows maybe they still go after him, he's the perfect fit. A big time upgrade. Yet cap money has to now be close to an issue. So either they don't want him, Vikings are asking too much, or maybe they are just going to wait till he released. Heck maybe the Vikings don't even do anything. Given that team it doesn't make much sense to move on from him unless you have too. It's built to win now and you can always play with the cap to get room. You wouldn't think it would be hard to trade him and yet nothing but rumors for months and months. Very weird. |
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