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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2019 15:14:49 GMT -5
All the power to you if you want to take positives from a RB averaging 3.4 YPC against a crappy second string defense when Hoyer was on fire passing the ball. Those stats show exactly why he isn't any good, he gets a yard before he gets touched and hasn't been able to power through legit NFL defenses in like 5 years. I've watched Bolden since he was an undrafted guy out of Mississippi, he just doesn't have the burst he once did and even then he was like a 3/4 RB. I also find it funny as hell your going out of your way to defend him after years of not wanting him on the team. Don’t make the discussion something it isn’t. This was a discussion on Bolden vs Ebner. I’d prefer neither were on the team, but of the two Bolden offers more outside of special teams. It’s nothing more than that. Btw since Ebner has been back he’s not even working with the defense he’s working with Slater. It's crystal clear who wins that battle, the guy that is truly elite at the position he's on the team to play. If Bolden makes the team it's 100% because of Brady. The only way your point makes any sense is if Bolden is a good enough RB to get regular carries in games. Is that what you think? He's going to get 50 or more carries this year? The gap from Ebner to Bolden is that big on special teams, it's why Ebner got a 2.8 million salary years ago. He's taken over as the special teams ace of the team. I hate special team only players, I'd rather keep upside guys, yet Bolden isn't an upside guy. He's a guy you just got 3.4 YPC against a second string defense that was getting killed by the pass. You don't want either guy doing anything but playing special teams. Your boy Bedard has him as the 5th guy, last just like Slatter at WR, just like King at LB. If we have to keep one give me the special teams ace all day long, the position he'll play 95% plus of the time. There you go again reading a ton into what a single day of practice? He just started practicing again. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 15, 2019 15:33:37 GMT -5
Seems like a key position to me, but, I do not know a lot. LT Wynn listed as 1st team tackle. Wynn has not played in an NFL game yet? But, listed as the starter. Got to make Brady a little worried? Really dan Skipper is the fill in. ??
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 15, 2019 18:00:50 GMT -5
If Bolden makes the team it's 100% because of Brady ... Brady is choosing the players now? BB says, Lol. (TB12 says, Double lol) |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 15, 2019 19:36:53 GMT -5
Yea Brady isn’t picking players that’s just silliness.
I think it’s entirely possible PART of the reason they brought Bolden back is because they missed the running back depth last year; they needed to play a WR at running back. It got bad. I’m not going to put numbers on to things because that’s just silly. I understand why you want Ebner and look at them as special teams only. My only point is there are people who disagree with you on Bolden.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 15, 2019 22:56:34 GMT -5
Lol are we really arguing about Ebner and Bolden?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 16, 2019 5:39:33 GMT -5
Lol are we really arguing about Ebner and Bolden? It’s a discussion and yes this is what we do in training camp. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 16, 2019 11:41:02 GMT -5
The Patriots keep 3-4 special teams only players every year, so if you want to talk roster building it's part of the discussion. They take up a rather large portion of the 53 man roster.
I'm not saying Brady picks anyone, but his response to Bolden coming back was eye opening. He loves that guy and yea I think that played a part in him getting a contract. You'd have thought we signed a prime age Welker or Moss the way he acted.
I thought the reason we took a RB high in the draft was to address RB depth? Last year's injury to Hill kinda hurt us and was hard to make up. We have much better depth this year. I actually love the top four more than I have in a long time. Get a guy for the practice squad and your set. If Bolden was brought in as insurance in case we had another injury like Hill ok.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 16, 2019 17:57:16 GMT -5
Josh Gordon reinstated... changes a lot!!!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 18:21:49 GMT -5
Josh Gordon reinstated... changes a lot!!! Lol, how?!!! He admitted to sneaking out to go do drugs last year. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 16, 2019 19:18:18 GMT -5
The following is the number of games (including playoffs) that NE played with a number of players that had less than 5% of the O or D snaps but over 20% of the ST snaps (would think that's a reasonable definition of ST only):
3 players = 1 game
4 players = 5 games
5 players = 10 games
6 players = 3 games
If the numbers are bothering you, I don't think too many people would argue that the following were ST Only players:
Slater
Ebner
King
Grigsby then Humber
Crossen
Grissom then McClellan
Of course, not all played every week.
Of course, we all know that until just recently, Slater was the only 1 that didn't practice with another unit.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 16, 2019 22:04:28 GMT -5
Well now the Patriots receivers corps have some potential. Just have to hope Gordon stays clean (tall order) and healthy. And if he does, and they have Edelman returning, hopefully between Harry and somebody else besides Dorsett, somebody steps up and gives Brady 3 or 4 really good options to go to. Maybe Barrios? Maybe James White becomes a receiving factor?
So when is Gronk unretiring......I'm kidding. Wishful thinking.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 22:11:58 GMT -5
So when is Gronk unretiring......I'm kidding. Wishful thinking. I think it's coming before week 10. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 17, 2019 6:36:46 GMT -5
Imagine a WR corp of Gordon, Harry, Thomas and Edelman in the playoffs this year. That is a very big group of go up and get it guys that could reek havoc on a secondary.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2019 6:45:36 GMT -5
The following is the number of games (including playoffs) that NE played with a number of players that had less than 5% of the O or D snaps but over 20% of the ST snaps (would think that's a reasonable definition of ST only): 3 players = 1 game 4 players = 5 games 5 players = 10 games 6 players = 3 games If the numbers are bothering you, I don't think too many people would argue that the following were ST Only players: Slater Ebner King Grigsby then Humber Crossen Grissom then McClellan Of course, not all played every week. Of course, we all know that until just recently, Slater was the only 1 that didn't practice with another unit. I’d say they were all special teams players but I’d put Crossen in a different category since he is actually a developmental corner and one they can use in certain matchups due to his speed. Mclellan was key last year. Made some big plays and really turned the unit around after they got him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2019 6:46:33 GMT -5
Well now the Patriots receivers corps have some potential. Just have to hope Gordon stays clean (tall order) and healthy. And if he does, and they have Edelman returning, hopefully between Harry and somebody else besides Dorsett, somebody steps up and gives Brady 3 or 4 really good options to go to. Maybe Barrios? Maybe James White becomes a receiving factor? So when is Gronk unretiring......I'm kidding. Wishful thinking. Curious why you included Berrios and not Myers? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2019 7:11:38 GMT -5
Josh Gordon reinstated... changes a lot!!! Lol, how?!!! He admitted to sneaking out to go do drugs last year. Because he’s a weapon they don’t have and a big play guy they are lacking. He should be even better from the jump this year which is key for early success because they are without Watson and working in 2-4 new players into the passing game (Harry, Meyers, Harris, Berrios?). Having Gordon, even if only for half the season gives them time to ease these players in and cover for the Watson suspension. Sure it’s possible he blows up before the season and never takes the field... but it’s more likely he plays at least half the season with a chance he can finally play a full season. Even if it’s the half season, he buys time for the young guys to acclimate without being the go to options. And I haven’t even mentioned buying time for Thomas to return. So it’s a big time addition even if for a limited time. The only downside is you end up cutting what could be a productive receiver at some point and you lose him. Like if they cut Harris it Berrios, which they will have to. I just don’t think either of those guys had the upside to worry about. Berrios has been coming on, but it’s against second stringers and reports are still they he can’t separate against good corners.... Meyers on the other hand just produces everywhere so far. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 17, 2019 7:13:00 GMT -5
Seems like a key position to me, but, I do not know a lot. LT Wynn listed as 1st team tackle. Wynn has not played in an NFL game yet? But, listed as the starter. Got to make Brady a little worried? Really dan Skipper is the fill in. ?? Matt Chatham is a good football guy and after watching Wynn he tweeted that Wynn was going to be a beast, that he dominates guys and gets to blocks others might not get to. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2019 7:21:55 GMT -5
Lol, how?!!! He admitted to sneaking out to go do drugs last year. Because he’s a weapon they don’t have and a big play guy they are lacking. He should be even better from the jump this year which is key for early success because they are without Watson and working in 2-4 new players into the passing game (Harry, Meyers, Harris, Berrios?). Having Gordon, even if only for half the season gives them time to ease these players in and cover for the Watson suspension. Sure it’s possible he blows up before the season and never takes the field... but it’s more likely he plays at least half the season with a chance he can finally play a full season. Even if it’s the half season, he buys time for the young guys to acclimate without being the go to options. And I haven’t even mentioned buying time for Thomas to return. So it’s a big time addition even if for a limited time. The only downside is you end up cutting what could be a productive receiver at some point and you lose him. Like if they cut Harris it Berrios, which they will have to. I just don’t think either of those guys had the upside to worry about. Berrios has been coming on, but it’s against second stringers and reports are still they he can’t separate against good corners.... Meyers on the other hand just produces everywhere so far. I took pedro's comment to be asking how he got reinstated, not how he'll help. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2019 8:43:43 GMT -5
Because he’s a weapon they don’t have and a big play guy they are lacking. He should be even better from the jump this year which is key for early success because they are without Watson and working in 2-4 new players into the passing game (Harry, Meyers, Harris, Berrios?). Having Gordon, even if only for half the season gives them time to ease these players in and cover for the Watson suspension. Sure it’s possible he blows up before the season and never takes the field... but it’s more likely he plays at least half the season with a chance he can finally play a full season. Even if it’s the half season, he buys time for the young guys to acclimate without being the go to options. And I haven’t even mentioned buying time for Thomas to return. So it’s a big time addition even if for a limited time. The only downside is you end up cutting what could be a productive receiver at some point and you lose him. Like if they cut Harris it Berrios, which they will have to. I just don’t think either of those guys had the upside to worry about. Berrios has been coming on, but it’s against second stringers and reports are still they he can’t separate against good corners.... Meyers on the other hand just produces everywhere so far. I took pedro's comment to be asking how he got reinstated, not how he'll help. Oh then my answer is that the NFL, rightfully, doesn’t care about recreational drug use. Doesn’t affect the game and suspensions don’t help guys. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 17, 2019 9:03:12 GMT -5
So when is Gronk unretiring......I'm kidding. Wishful thinking. I think it's coming before week 10. Lots of people think that this is a very real possibility. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 17, 2019 9:09:30 GMT -5
Seems like a key position to me, but, I do not know a lot. LT Wynn listed as 1st team tackle. Wynn has not played in an NFL game yet? But, listed as the starter. Got to make Brady a little worried? Really dan Skipper is the fill in. ?? Matt Chatham is a good football guy and after watching Wynn he tweeted that Wynn was going to be a beast, that he dominates guys and gets to blocks others might not get to. Hope he is right. Who do they have behind him if he struggles? Who is respectable. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 17, 2019 9:11:40 GMT -5
Many of the EXPERTS have the pats going 12-4 and not going to the SB. Is this another year where Bill and he gang prove them wrong?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2019 9:20:07 GMT -5
Well now the Patriots receivers corps have some potential. Just have to hope Gordon stays clean (tall order) and healthy. And if he does, and they have Edelman returning, hopefully between Harry and somebody else besides Dorsett, somebody steps up and gives Brady 3 or 4 really good options to go to. Maybe Barrios? Maybe James White becomes a receiving factor? So when is Gronk unretiring......I'm kidding. Wishful thinking. Curious why you included Berrios and not Myers? No particular reason. Don't know much about Meyers. Always had hope for Berrios. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2019 9:22:43 GMT -5
I think it's coming before week 10. Lots of people think that this is a very real possibility. I guess it's one of those things where I'll believe it when I see it. I don't think you can just turn it on and turn it off than easily. I do think Gronk decides to stay healthy and retire. He looks slimmed down too. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 17, 2019 9:55:26 GMT -5
What is going on with our rookie OT?
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