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Post by jimed14 on Aug 26, 2019 9:52:53 GMT -5
He's been through a crazy amount of injuries and surgeries. Sure. But if we all felt this strongly all the time about injuries in football it wouldn’t be America’s most popular sport. Andrew Luck has had some bad injuries. But I cannot blame his fan base for booing after he left them high and dry 1 week before the season. Rob Gronkowski has had every bit as severe an injury history as Luck. But no one is booing when he retired at 29 because he did it after a season in which he gave everything he had. And Luck gave up $58 million to make that decision so obviously it was pretty important to him. It's hard to compare TEs to QBs. If Gronk were a Brady-like QB and retired at 29, I think he would have been treated a little differently when he retired. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2019 16:27:14 GMT -5
For even more insight.... looks like the Colts are why this was announced now versus months ago. Irsay said he’s been counseling him and during that time said you put off big decisions as long as you can. Indicated they hoped he’d change his mind.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 26, 2019 17:25:25 GMT -5
For even more insight.... looks like the Colts are why this was announced now versus months ago. Irsay said he’s been counseling him and during that time said you put off big decisions as long as you can. Indicated they hoped he’d change his mind. It probably had to be after the draft though, considering they didn't even draft one. Then again, tanking for a season is usually a great opportunity to replace your franchise QB by trying to be in the position to draft Tua Tagovailoa. Brissett isn't a terrible option though, so they may not be there. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 26, 2019 18:17:00 GMT -5
He's been through a crazy amount of injuries and surgeries. I'm also guessing the calf was lining up to be months more, so they would have been without him for much of the season anyway. That's my guess too. In general though I'm just really confused how people can question his "drive" when he's already had enough "drive" to make it to the NFL and then come back from all these injuries. Frankly, I hope this is the beginning of a trend of players making their money and getting out before articles like this have to be written about them. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2019 19:39:08 GMT -5
Bad news: David Andrews hospitalized with blood clots in his lungs. May miss season but first and foremost let’s hope he’s ok short and long term health wise.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 26, 2019 21:39:14 GMT -5
The last time David Andrews wasn’t the regular starting center on the New England Patriots, Bryan Stork handed the Lombardi over to Von Miller and Demarcus Ware.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 27, 2019 0:04:43 GMT -5
For even more insight.... looks like the Colts are why this was announced now versus months ago. Irsay said he’s been counseling him and during that time said you put off big decisions as long as you can. Indicated they hoped he’d change his mind. It probably had to be after the draft though, considering they didn't even draft one. Then again, tanking for a season is usually a great opportunity to replace your franchise QB by trying to be in the position to draft Tua Tagovailoa. Brissett isn't a terrible option though, so they may not be there. Counterpoint, the NFL has a lot of terrible teams that will also be tanking. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2019 5:27:16 GMT -5
The Colts aren’t going to tank, they are too
good to do that and I actually believe they like Jacoby Brissett. Oh and anyone who tanks for Tua is tanking for the wrong guy...
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 27, 2019 5:30:39 GMT -5
Does anyone have information regarding the salary cap hit Indy will take by Luck retiring?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2019 5:37:46 GMT -5
Maurice Harris and Keionta Davis clear waivers, revert to the Patriots’ injured reserve list.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2019 5:39:45 GMT -5
Does anyone have information regarding the salary cap hit Indy will take by Luck retiring? He leaves behind $24.8M of dead cap split as $18.4M in 2019 & $6.4M in 2020. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 27, 2019 7:03:51 GMT -5
Yes we do know what's wrong with him, the question is why isn't it healing as quickly as it should. Given he talked about retirement before the injury from reports we now have. I do question his drive, like is he putting in the work? Sounds like it just gave him the excuse he had already been looking for. Not many football guys cry over pain like he did. Look at Gronk, he was never I need to move on because I can't take the pain and he played all last year as a shell of himself, he could hardly move. Yet he didn't leave his team high and dry either. I'm all for making Football as safe as it can be, but it's a physical sport and that's a big part of the game. I really hope your wrong about guys walking away so early, but you likely aren't. It's the new generation and values seem to have really changed rather quickly. You were more shocked that Davis a so so CB retired at halftime than a franchise QB that could have been a HOF and seemed certain to win a few Superbowls at some point? Like a year ago I wouldn't have been totally shocked, yet he came back as one of the best QBs. Shoulder was fine. You can certainly have your opinion, but most of America doesn't agree. Most of America didn't even know who Davis was, him retiring meant almost nothing to so many people. Yet everyone who watches even a little football knows who Luck is. You know how many millions of fantasy players need a new QB right now? A guy retiring at half time is definitely more shocking... less impactful because of who the player is but more shocking in that if you drew up which scenario was more likely you’d pick Luck. Gronk 100% walked away due to not wanting to be in pain. If he didn’t have injuries like he did, he’d still be playing. You don’t need to question Lucks drive, he told you it’s gone that’s why he is retiring. The constant pain and injury rehab cycle sapped his desire to play. He was very clear about that. However, to say that makes him soft is just flat out wrong. This guy lacerated his kidney during a game and stayed in to finish the game. He took a million hits because they wouldn’t build him an offensive line until last year. He hasn’t missed games for little injuries. We are talking about the announcement being shocking, not the act in which he does it. I've heard more than one reporter call it the second most shocking since Jordan and I have to agree. Almost everyone does, mainly because no one knows who the F Davis was. He never complained about injuries and didn't walk away from his team during a season because of them. We all know why he walked away, he just did it the right way. Now if reports are correct that the Colts owner had him put it off and he was going to retire in April. That changes everything, he didn't walk away right before the season and F a team with Superbowl goals. Color me confused if that is true though, because they didn't add QB help you'd expect if Luck was really talking about retiring. I have no idea what a lacerated Kidney feels like, yet he didn't even know he had one till the next day when he was peeing blood. It sounds like a horrible injury, but can it really be that bad if he didn't even know till the next morning? That injury list looks horrible, yet three injuries were in one game, he missed three games and then got the concussion. Then the labrum injury, then this calf/Ankle injury. He had no major injuries his first three years and was healthy in 2018. That is four out of seven years with no major injuries. The labrum injury is really the only one a ton of QBs don't deal with and one that takes a long time to heal. Yet after surgery the pain goes away, it's just regaining the strength that is horrible. So I call BS on his always in pain crap. That's why you had the surgery, to get rid of the pain. He didn't have a Bledsoe type injury, where the guy could have died. He certainly comes off as soft or fragile when it comes to being a football player. Talking about constant pain two years after his last major injury, while dealing with a calf/ankle issue he got in May. There are NFL players that play through pain and those that have to be 120%, he sure seems like the anti Farve. Now it's his choice and I don't really care, yet if you keep having injuries that the training staff thinks takes x amount to heal and you require two to three times for every injury that is telling. Guys like Brady play with broken fingers and injuries all the time, it's just football. It's like when we talked about Harris being banged up, it's something most football players deal with all the time. Would have been a much better look for him if he just walked away after last season. Instead it sure looks like after a healthy season he gives up after a calf/ankle injury that his training staff thinks should be healed, yet he says otherwise. It's like a Leonard type crap while a Spur. |
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Post by mobaz on Aug 27, 2019 7:31:44 GMT -5
Really? Really? (i'd put in many more question marks but it would turn it into an emoji) Also, most internal organs don't have nerves so you don't feel it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2019 8:55:55 GMT -5
Occam’s razor...
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 27, 2019 9:02:55 GMT -5
I thought Pennel was a lock based on his rating from last year. He may have hurt himself with his performance but it does also says something about Cowart, the 159th pick in the draft. If he makes the opening day roster that could be as many as 9 rookies that make the roster?
Do Super Bowl winning teams usually add that much youth the following year? LOL leave it it BB to pull that off. Looking like a pretty good draft.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2019 11:37:11 GMT -5
I thought Pennel was a lock based on his rating from last year. He may have hurt himself with his performance but it does also says something about Cowart, the 159th pick in the draft. If he makes the opening day roster that could be as many as 9 rookies that make the roster? Do Super Bowl winning teams usually add that much youth the following year? LOL leave it it BB to pull that off. Looking like a pretty good draft. Cowart looks really good and not that this really matters but it does point to the fact his talent is potentially super high level. He was the number 1 overall high school recruit going into college. Not at his position - out of all of them. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 27, 2019 18:32:19 GMT -5
Did not know that.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 28, 2019 7:36:59 GMT -5
I love Andrew Callahan's deep dives on MassLive. Here's a good one on Gilmore's evolution over the past two seasons. I was shocked when Gilmore got the contract he got from the Patriots, and was really worried after the slow start in 2017, but he's been exactly what BB thought he'd be. www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/08/how-patriots-star-stephon-gilmore-became-the-best-cornerback-in-the-nfl.htmlADD: Before Gilmore came along, it seemed the Pats' strategy with Butler/Ryan was have one DB in man coverage on the second best receiving threat and then double the best; it was pretty effective most of the time, but predictable and occasionally had holes. Having Gilmore in the Revis Island role really opens up the rest of the defense to do fun things, and then flip the script with Gilmore when it gets too predictable. I think the D is gonna look really tight this year; looking forward to it! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 28, 2019 8:48:53 GMT -5
I love Andrew Callahan's deep dives on MassLive. Here's a good one on Gilmore's evolution over the past two seasons. I was shocked when Gilmore got the contract he got from the Patriots, and was really worried after the slow start in 2017, but he's been exactly what BB thought he'd be. www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/08/how-patriots-star-stephon-gilmore-became-the-best-cornerback-in-the-nfl.htmlADD: Before Gilmore came along, it seemed the Pats' strategy with Butler/Ryan was have one DB in man coverage on the second best receiving threat and then double the best; it was pretty effective most of the time, but predictable and occasionally had holes. Having Gilmore in the Revis Island role really opens up the rest of the defense to do fun things, and then flip the script with Gilmore when it gets too predictable. I think the D is gonna look really tight this year; looking forward to it! Gilmore is unbelievable... This secondary is crazy good. If you took him away you’d still have a very good - probably top 10 secondary with Jackson and McCourty starting and Jones at slot. Add in that JoeJuan Williams has started to play great and your talk some ridiculous ability back there |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 28, 2019 15:30:23 GMT -5
Pats have traded for Arizona OT Korey Cunningham. Started all 6 games he played in.
Likely means Skipper won't make it but Croston could beat out Ferentz at G (though his ability to play C helps his cause).
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Post by texs31 on Aug 28, 2019 16:33:58 GMT -5
They have also traded for G/T Jermaine Eluemunor
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 28, 2019 20:57:05 GMT -5
Pats are funny. Who the hell other team could make this crap work? It'll be even funnier when they're like top 1/3rd of the league for OL.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 29, 2019 7:37:25 GMT -5
I wonder if the outside additions could move Joe Thuney to Center (or at least backup center). He was obviously doing backup tackle role during early preseason, but when he was drafted I remember there was talk about his ability to play center too. Is 6'5" too tall for a center?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 29, 2019 12:14:21 GMT -5
Pats are funny. Who the hell other team could make this crap work? It'll be even funnier when they're like top 1/3rd of the league for OL. I think there’s little question their starting online is really really good. It’s the depth that’s a concern right now |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 29, 2019 19:48:23 GMT -5
Froholdt may have suffered a bad injury...
They had Thomas, Gordon and Edelman playing but Jules got a little nicked up so he didn’t go back in... the other two look rusty but you see how good they can be... i can’t believe Thomas’s Achilles is back so quickly... it’s going to be nice after a few weeks once everyone is n synch.
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