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Post by jimed14 on Aug 24, 2019 22:33:13 GMT -5
Dude, that was a joke. And it was downplayed in the media for a month before this. I know it was a joke, that's why I laughed. I'm not always against you Jim. I think you're a good poster my dude. No biggie. Still a shocker. Tom Brady outlasted Andrew Luck, the supposed QB pf the future. And now the Colts can go 1-15 and get their next Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck/.... And then Luck comes out of retirement to go play for the Broncos. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 24, 2019 23:43:08 GMT -5
Andrew Luck retiring is devastating. F*ck football.
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Post by marrcus on Aug 25, 2019 1:47:17 GMT -5
I kind of felt something would come to a head with Luck. Maybe a trade demand/holdout. But I didn't think he'd remain static and not try anything different. It's probably likely he'll come back .... by trying to engineer some deal next spring. Unless of course he's hurt much worse than has been reported.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 25, 2019 6:36:40 GMT -5
58 million left on the table. Jesus. I don't see anyone but Anrew Luck turning that down to sit on a beach somewhere.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Aug 25, 2019 7:25:33 GMT -5
If he has "just" $5 mm in the3 bank he can live on $100k a year simply putting the money in 30 year US Treasury bonds even at today's super low rates/ He probably has a lot more than that so he can do whatever he wants with his life and still have his health. If he really wants a football career just not in Indy he can come back but not everyone is so money focused that they are driven by having more money than any human being needs to live a comfortable and fulfilling life.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2019 9:03:32 GMT -5
If he has "just" $5 mm in the3 bank he can live on $100k a year simply putting the money in 30 year US Treasury bonds even at today's super low rates/ He probably has a lot more than that so he can do whatever he wants with his life and still have his health. If he really wants a football career just not in Indy he can come back but not everyone is so money focused that they are driven by having more money than any human being needs to live a comfortable and fulfilling life. It doesn't matter how much money he has. He's still giving up $58 million. It takes a lot of non-money principles to do it. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 25, 2019 13:01:27 GMT -5
I kind of felt something would come to a head with Luck. Maybe a trade demand/holdout. But I didn't think he'd remain static and not try anything different. It's probably likely he'll come back .... by trying to engineer some deal next spring. Unless of course he's hurt much worse than has been reported. He had no reason to do that, the current management has done a terrific job. This isn't the Grigson era anymore. Anyway, saw that the team won't take back his bonus, so that's pretty cool by Irsay. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 25, 2019 14:01:38 GMT -5
17 of Brady’s snaps came with 2 RBs or 2TEs so I’m assuming 2 TEs will make the roster... probably LaCosse and Izzo. I like Hoyer and I do believe he adds a lot to the team when not playing, but they have too much talent that can help them elsewhere to carry him when Stidham has looked good enough to be the backup.
I’m still befuddled by this roster...
Do they think Wynn and Cannon can handle full snaps so they can go with 7 OL and add Skipper or Crossen to the PS? Crossen would easily make it there...
How hurt are Rivers and Calhoun... Rivers doesn’t play ST at all so that doesn’t help him.
Who do they roster to IR DTR? M. Harris? Rivers? Who do they risk losing by cutting to do that?
Someone’s getting traded right?
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 25, 2019 14:06:08 GMT -5
Lots we don't know about the Luck situation. On the surface, he's left the team with little options. It's a bit like with Gronk. Ideally would have been good to have known before the draft and early free agency.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2019 14:22:13 GMT -5
Lots we don't know about the Luck situation. On the surface, he's left the team with little options. It's a bit like with Gronk. Ideally would have been good to have known before the draft and early free agency. I don't think it's anything like Gronk. It was not a surprise whatsoever that he retired. I think the Pats didn't see any impact receiving TEs to possibly replace Gronk so they improved other areas to give Brady more future weapons in Harry and Harris. And QB is a way more important position. Really it's way more like Peyton Manning needing the neck surgery to end his Colts career. That year they went 1-15 so they could replace him with Luck. Instant rebuild. |
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Post by philarhody on Aug 25, 2019 16:38:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I can’t really blame Colt’s fans for booing Andrew Luck. He’s walking away from a contract so that he can travel the world. I understand the injury stuff. But he let down an entire fan base.
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2019 17:04:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I can’t really blame Colt’s fans for booing Andrew Luck. He’s walking away from a contract so that he can travel the world. I understand the injury stuff. But he let down an entire fan base. I can understand how they’d be frustrated but it doesn’t excuse their behavior imo |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 25, 2019 17:08:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I can’t really blame Colt’s fans for booing Andrew Luck. He’s walking away from a contract so that he can travel the world. I understand the injury stuff. But he let down an entire fan base. He’s walking away so he’s not in chronic pain constantly. You act like the guys all hunky Dory and just doesn’t feel like playing any more. There’s a reason he was crying during the press conference. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2019 17:37:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I can’t really blame Colt’s fans for booing Andrew Luck. He’s walking away from a contract so that he can travel the world. I understand the injury stuff. But he let down an entire fan base. He’s walking away so he’s not in chronic pain constantly. You act like the guys all hunky Dory and just doesn’t feel like playing any more. There’s a reason he was crying during the press conference. He's been through a crazy amount of injuries and surgeries. |
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Post by mobaz on Aug 25, 2019 18:08:25 GMT -5
He’s walking away so he’s not in chronic pain constantly. You act like the guys all hunky Dory and just doesn’t feel like playing any more. There’s a reason he was crying during the press conference. He's been through a crazy amount of injuries and surgeries. I'm also guessing the calf was lining up to be months more, so they would have been without him for much of the season anyway. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 25, 2019 18:37:04 GMT -5
Patriots released Maurice Harris
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 25, 2019 20:04:29 GMT -5
I'm so torn on Luck, like it's his life so do as you want. Yet he did F that teams season over an ankle injury. Every injury with him takes 2-3 times longer to heal than an average person. Why is that? Does he just have a weak body or is he one of those that needs to be 120%? If I was a Colts fan I'd be pissed. You are retiring over a first time ankle injury at his age, coming off last season? While likely not fair I can see some soft labels, it's Football most guys aren't 100% all year. It's an ankle injury, not like his 2nd or 3rd concussion or he torn his labrum for the second time. You couldn't tough it out for five months? Makes you wonder about his love for the game. I get not wanting to be in pain, but your a professional football player.
As just a regular fan it sucks, NFL needs more good QBs and now you lose a great one. A guy you thought had ten more years. One of the most shocking retirements in my lifetime after Jordan.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 25, 2019 21:22:17 GMT -5
He’s walking away so he’s not in chronic pain constantly. You act like the guys all hunky Dory and just doesn’t feel like playing any more. There’s a reason he was crying during the press conference. He's been through a crazy amount of injuries and surgeries. Sure. But if we all felt this strongly all the time about injuries in football it wouldn’t be America’s most popular sport. Andrew Luck has had some bad injuries. But I cannot blame his fan base for booing after he left them high and dry 1 week before the season. Rob Gronkowski has had every bit as severe an injury history as Luck. But no one is booing when he retired at 29 because he did it after a season in which he gave everything he had. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 25, 2019 21:44:25 GMT -5
He's been through a crazy amount of injuries and surgeries. Sure. But if we all felt this strongly all the time about injuries in football it wouldn’t be America’s most popular sport. Andrew Luck has had some bad injuries. But I cannot blame his fan base for booing after he left them high and dry 1 week before the season. Rob Gronkowski has had every bit as severe an injury history as Luck. But no one is booing when he retired at 29 because he did it after a season in which he gave everything he had. Yeah the timing is very poor from Luck. Like retire after the season, not right when preseason is over. Gronk retired after the season. The Patriots had the whole off-season to fill the void. The Colts are left hanging and that's what the fanbase is mad about. Somehow I seriously doubt the Colts fans are excited about another rebuild close to 10 years after they had one for Luck. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 25, 2019 23:27:57 GMT -5
Somehow I seriously doubt the Colts fans are excited about another rebuild close to 10 years after they had one for Luck. That was essentially a one year rebuild so that wouldn't be too bad lol. There's also the difference that by the end of the Polian years and during the entire Grigson era, the roster was complete ass and was carried by Manning/Luck. Not quite the story now as Ballard actually knows what he's doing. When you also consider that Brissett isn't the regular warm body backup and has some (smallish) upside, it could lead to a bad team that isn't terrible enough to get a top pick or a borderline postseason team that gets dunked on in wild card weekend. It's tricky and the problem with football is that a QB means so much. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2019 5:58:47 GMT -5
People literally don’t know what’s wrong with Luck right now with regards to his ankle/calf. I doubt it’s a simple sprain or strain. He was likely going to be out for a while.
He’s been legit injured for 4 straight years. He told us exactly what’s going on. He’s mentally drained from being in a constant cycle of injury, pain and rehab and it’s destroyed his love for the game. That’s not the type of life he wants...
On a separate but related note, this is a peek into why guaranteed contracts may destroy football as we know it. It’s a game that is violent and emotion/desire play a huge role into how a player performs. It’s hard to get motivated when you are in constant pain and aren’t worried for your money and/or job. Luck has more money than he needs for life and he’s not single minded in regards to football like a Tom Brady is. That puts him with the majority not the minority, the difference is most players don’t have Lucks financial security.
As a selfish fan, I think the current salary set up is better for the product, but if I were a player I’d be fighting for more contract guarantees. This game is terrible and violent; kids really shouldn’t be playing tackle football. That being said I’m I love it and hope it doesn’t get ruined.
Get used to players retiring early as they get more money tho. It’s going to continue.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2019 5:59:17 GMT -5
Also, most shocking retirement is Vonte Davis at half-time.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 26, 2019 7:20:48 GMT -5
Mike Pennel was released. I thought that one would work out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2019 8:06:50 GMT -5
People literally don’t know what’s wrong with Luck right now with regards to his ankle/calf. I doubt it’s a simple sprain or strain. He was likely going to be out for a while. He’s been legit injured for 4 straight years. He told us exactly what’s going on. He’s mentally drained from being in a constant cycle of injury, pain and rehab and it’s destroyed his love for the game. That’s not the type of life he wants... On a separate but related note, this is a peek into why guaranteed contracts may destroy football as we know it. It’s a game that is violent and emotion/desire play a huge role into how a player performs. It’s hard to get motivated when you are in constant pain and aren’t worried for your money and/or job. Luck has more money than he needs for life and he’s not single minded in regards to football like a Tom Brady is. That puts him with the majority not the minority, the difference is most players don’t have Lucks financial security. As a selfish fan, I think the current salary set up is better for the product, but if I were a player I’d be fighting for more contract guarantees. This game is terrible and violent; kids really shouldn’t be playing tackle football. That being said I’m I love it and hope it doesn’t get ruined. Get used to players retiring early as they get more money tho. It’s going to continue. Yes we do know what's wrong with him, the question is why isn't it healing as quickly as it should. Given he talked about retirement before the injury from reports we now have. I do question his drive, like is he putting in the work? Sounds like it just gave him the excuse he had already been looking for. Not many football guys cry over pain like he did. Look at Gronk, he was never I need to move on because I can't take the pain and he played all last year as a shell of himself, he could hardly move. Yet he didn't leave his team high and dry either. I'm all for making Football as safe as it can be, but it's a physical sport and that's a big part of the game. I really hope your wrong about guys walking away so early, but you likely aren't. It's the new generation and values seem to have really changed rather quickly. You were more shocked that Davis a so so CB retired at halftime than a franchise QB that could have been a HOF and seemed certain to win a few Superbowls at some point? Like a year ago I wouldn't have been totally shocked, yet he came back as one of the best QBs. Shoulder was fine. You can certainly have your opinion, but most of America doesn't agree. Most of America didn't even know who Davis was, him retiring meant almost nothing to so many people. Yet everyone who watches even a little football knows who Luck is. You know how many millions of fantasy players need a new QB right now? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2019 8:30:03 GMT -5
People literally don’t know what’s wrong with Luck right now with regards to his ankle/calf. I doubt it’s a simple sprain or strain. He was likely going to be out for a while. He’s been legit injured for 4 straight years. He told us exactly what’s going on. He’s mentally drained from being in a constant cycle of injury, pain and rehab and it’s destroyed his love for the game. That’s not the type of life he wants... On a separate but related note, this is a peek into why guaranteed contracts may destroy football as we know it. It’s a game that is violent and emotion/desire play a huge role into how a player performs. It’s hard to get motivated when you are in constant pain and aren’t worried for your money and/or job. Luck has more money than he needs for life and he’s not single minded in regards to football like a Tom Brady is. That puts him with the majority not the minority, the difference is most players don’t have Lucks financial security. As a selfish fan, I think the current salary set up is better for the product, but if I were a player I’d be fighting for more contract guarantees. This game is terrible and violent; kids really shouldn’t be playing tackle football. That being said I’m I love it and hope it doesn’t get ruined. Get used to players retiring early as they get more money tho. It’s going to continue. Yes we do know what's wrong with him, the question is why isn't it healing as quickly as it should. Given he talked about retirement before the injury from reports we now have. I do question his drive, like is he putting in the work? Sounds like it just gave him the excuse he had already been looking for. Not many football guys cry over pain like he did. Look at Gronk, he was never I need to move on because I can't take the pain and he played all last year as a shell of himself, he could hardly move. Yet he didn't leave his team high and dry either. I'm all for making Football as safe as it can be, but it's a physical sport and that's a big part of the game. I really hope your wrong about guys walking away so early, but you likely aren't. It's the new generation and values seem to have really changed rather quickly. You were more shocked that Davis a so so CB retired at halftime than a franchise QB that could have been a HOF and seemed certain to win a few Superbowls at some point? Like a year ago I wouldn't have been totally shocked, yet he came back as one of the best QBs. Shoulder was fine. You can certainly have your opinion, but most of America doesn't agree. Most of America didn't even know who Davis was, him retiring meant almost nothing to so many people. Yet everyone who watches even a little football knows who Luck is. You know how many millions of fantasy players need a new QB right now? A guy retiring at half time is definitely more shocking... less impactful because of who the player is but more shocking in that if you drew up which scenario was more likely you’d pick Luck. Gronk 100% walked away due to not wanting to be in pain. If he didn’t have injuries like he did, he’d still be playing. You don’t need to question Lucks drive, he told you it’s gone that’s why he is retiring. The constant pain and injury rehab cycle sapped his desire to play. He was very clear about that. However, to say that makes him soft is just flat out wrong. This guy lacerated his kidney during a game and stayed in to finish the game. He took a million hits because they wouldn’t build him an offensive line until last year. He hasn’t missed games for little injuries. |
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