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4/1-4/4 Red Sox @ Athletics Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2019 7:48:42 GMT -5
NESN didn't really show him running until he was beyond 1st. He was moving at a good clip and then took one slow step (I think he was trying to gauge where the ball was) and then he turned on the jets trying to make it to 3b. The hesitation was very slight, but that's all it took.
He has been battling through a leg injury which is a bit of a factor, but it's also possible that he thought his ball was gone. Either way I don't remember seeing him job down the 1b line.
The way the Sox are going they would have stranded him anyways.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2019 7:53:14 GMT -5
The Sox are 100% going to get loudly booed at the home opener if they come limping home. Depends on how many morons show up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2019 8:19:33 GMT -5
The Sox are 100% going to get loudly booed at the home opener if they come limping home. Depends on how many morons show up. Yeah, but, but, but.....what have you done for me lately?!I'll be having my DVR going for that ring ceremony.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 3, 2019 8:25:21 GMT -5
He's averaging 5-6 mph slower than the same time last year. There have been NY news stories about it. Perhaps so. I watched him pitch yesterday. He did give up three hits. He seems to be the type of guy that has to throw 100+. Mid to high 90s and he is human.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Apr 3, 2019 8:29:06 GMT -5
It is early. I know, However, just curious, when was the last time a team started 1-5 and made the World Series?
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 3, 2019 8:40:18 GMT -5
This is an unbelievable stat: That is ridiculous. He needs his pull-side power back ASAP. He has looked awful.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2019 8:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 3, 2019 8:52:21 GMT -5
He's averaging 5-6 mph slower than the same time last year. There have been NY news stories about it. Perhaps so. I watched him pitch yesterday. He did give up three hits. He seems to be the type of guy that has to throw 100+. Mid to high 90s and he is human. I watched the end of that game as well. He wasn't fooling anybody.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 3, 2019 8:54:46 GMT -5
Really couldn't be more different than I expected to start the season. I didn't like the west coast thing but for weather it is fine. Have to expect this season will really be much more of a normal type regular seasons. But 1-5.... wow.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 3, 2019 8:56:59 GMT -5
It will happen...big offense...victories...domination..
...eventually!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 3, 2019 8:57:02 GMT -5
I am napping tonight before game. I haven't really watched much and I need to see a change of mojo.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2019 9:20:48 GMT -5
Guess we know there's nothing wrong with his arm as well since he just had a physical to sign that deal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2019 9:31:11 GMT -5
It is early. I know, However, just curious, when was the last time a team started 1-5 and made the World Series? Don't have an answer but I know of a Boston team that was in last place in July and kicked butt on their way to their World Championship - the Miracle Boston Braves of 1914. The 1973 Mets were in last place in August that year I think and then they got hot and finished 82-79, the only team over .500 in their division and they got beat in 7 games by Oakland in the World Series. The 2011 Cardinals were hovering around .500 three quarters of the way through the season and then got hot, won the division, came back (I think) in the NLCS, and then stole the World Series away from Texas when they pulled a bigger choke than the 86 Red Sox. Those teams were in worse shape than the 1-5 the Red Sox are. I think Earl Weaver's Orioles teams were notorious slow starters and by September they were really tough to beat.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 3, 2019 10:00:45 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 3, 2019 10:06:56 GMT -5
It's bad, folks. It's really really really bad:
Average fastball velo:
'15 - 95.8 '16 - 93.9 '17 - 94.6 '18 - 95.3 '19 - 90.8 (50 total pitches thrown)
Fastball swinging strike rate:
'15 - 13.1% '16 - 9.8% '17 - 13.9% '18 - 14.8% '19 - 0.0%
Look, it's two starts. Could just be a weird mechanical thing. Could just be the slow ramp up in spring training. But is there cause for concern? YES. This is ALARMING.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 3, 2019 10:48:08 GMT -5
Could the Sox also be suffering from “smartest guys in the room syndrome” with this slow ramp-up philosophy? That is, thinking, oh this will give us more legs for October, when 1) there’s not a lot of data to prove that; 2) a certain amount of arrogance that they could come out of the gate with starters at 80% and still perform well to very well?
I’m asking, don’t know, but other methods that could give the starters some breaks are a one or couple planned DL stints throughout the year and use of openers.
I think we’d all fell better though if we saw him dial up the FB to 96 or 97 a few times a game. Perhaps they’ve told him not to do that, but the true concern among uniformed but highly interested individuals (i.e. US) is that he can’t do that and that there’s an injury in that shoulder that MRIs haven’t caught.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 3, 2019 10:55:19 GMT -5
Could the Sox also be suffering from “smartest guys in the room syndrome” with this slow ramp-up philosophy? That is, thinking, oh this will give us more legs for October, when 1) there’s not a lot of data to prove that; 2) a certain amount of arrogance that they could come out of the gate with starters at 80% and still perform well to very well? I’m asking, don’t know, but other methods that could give the starters some breaks are a one or couple planned DL stints throughout the year and use of openers. I think we’d all fell better though if we saw him dial up the FB to 96 or 97 a few times a game. Perhaps they’ve told him not to do that, but the true concern among uniformed but highly interested individuals (i.e. US) is that he can’t do that and that there’s an injury in that shoulder that MRIs haven’t caught. My view is that, overall and in general, there is some humbling and collisions with reality going on. Any "we did this last year, we can do it again - no sweat" type of thinking better be crumbling fast in that clubhouse, from players to coaches to manager.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 3, 2019 11:20:34 GMT -5
He's averaging 5-6 mph slower than the same time last year. There have been NY news stories about it. Starter Masahiro Tanaka threw effectively for 6⅔ innings, but his work was undone by closer Aroldis Chapman, who continues to lose velocity.
As Chapman allowed the deciding two runs in the ninth inning, his once-feared 100-miles-per-hour fastball ticked down as low as 95.
“I feel great,” he said despite allowing four of the seven batters he faced to reach base, dooming the Yankees to another loss. www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/sports/yankees-injuries-miguel-andujar.html
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Post by gerry on Apr 3, 2019 12:00:13 GMT -5
It's bad, folks. It's really really really bad: Average fastball velo: '15 - 95.8 '16 - 93.9 '17 - 94.6 '18 - 95.3 '19 - 90.8 (50 total pitches thrown) Fastball swinging strike rate: '15 - 13.1% '16 - 9.8% '17 - 13.9% '18 - 14.8% '19 - 0.0%Look, it's two starts. Could just be a weird mechanical thing. Could just be the slow ramp up in spring training. But is there cause for concern? YES. This is ALARMING. On the other hand, despite rust showing in a BB and HBP, he gave up 3 hits and 1ER in 6IP. If he is still powering up after a difficult Sept - Oct and truncated ST, then we can just as likely expect a typical Sale run of excellence. From my view not far up on the 1B side he looked confident and dominant, which he largely was. Down by the bullpen for pre game warmup he was in the low 90’s and absolutely hitting the mark on every pitch. He sure didn’t look hurt. A couple of A’s fans next to me discussed how they are “screwed” tonight, and they were pretty close to being right. Last night’s Sale + a couple of runs borrowed from the Seattle games, and its a win. We are close to being able to exhale.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 3, 2019 12:07:36 GMT -5
He's averaging 5-6 mph slower than the same time last year. There have been NY news stories about it. Starter Masahiro Tanaka threw effectively for 6⅔ innings, but his work was undone by closer Aroldis Chapman, who continues to lose velocity.
As Chapman allowed the deciding two runs in the ninth inning, his once-feared 100-miles-per-hour fastball ticked down as low as 95.
“I feel great,” he said despite allowing four of the seven batters he faced to reach base, dooming the Yankees to another loss. www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/sports/yankees-injuries-miguel-andujar.html fivethirtyeight.com/features/baseballs-hot-hand-is-real/TLDR: pitchers are better when they're throwing their best (fastest) fastball, beyond just the expected effect of the velocity.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 3, 2019 12:08:00 GMT -5
Could the Sox also be suffering from “smartest guys in the room syndrome” with this slow ramp-up philosophy? That is, thinking, oh this will give us more legs for October, when 1) there’s not a lot of data to prove that; 2) a certain amount of arrogance that they could come out of the gate with starters at 80% and still perform well to very well? I’m asking, don’t know, but other methods that could give the starters some breaks are a one or couple planned DL stints throughout the year and use of openers. I think we’d all fell better though if we saw him dial up the FB to 96 or 97 a few times a game. Perhaps they’ve told him not to do that, but the true concern among uniformed but highly interested individuals (i.e. US) is that he can’t do that and that there’s an injury in that shoulder that MRIs haven’t caught. I don't know why there's any reason to posit a syndrome; why not just say they made the wrong decision? And for all that, we don't yet know that it was the wrong decision. What it amounts to so far, basically, is bad starts in the first four games of the season. Maybe they'll be lights out the second time through the rotation. Maybe we'll all be singing their praises when the pitchers dominate again in October.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 3, 2019 12:26:20 GMT -5
On the other hand, despite rust showing in a BB and HBP, he gave up 3 hits and 1ER in 6IP. If he is still powering up after a difficult Sept - Oct and truncated ST, then we can just as likely expect a typical Sale run of excellence. From my view not far up on the 1B side he looked confident and dominant, which he largely was. Down by the bullpen for pre game warmup he was in the low 90’s and absolutely hitting the mark on every pitch. He sure didn’t look hurt. A couple of A’s fans next to me discussed how they are “screwed” tonight, and they were pretty close to being right. Last night’s Sale + a couple of runs borrowed from the Seattle games, and its a win. We are close to being able to exhale. I mean, when he was down 2-3 MPH after his first start, this was at least a fairly plausible explanation. But last night he was down basically a full 5 mph, which A) no one really ramps up five whole tics during spring training and B) if he is still ramping up... why is he moving in the wrong direction?! His velo was much worse last night compared to his first start. That to me really makes it hard to buy into the short spring training explanation. It's either a major mechanical issue, or he's hurt. He managed to pitch decently last night, but again, zero swings and misses on the fastball. That's absolutely unsustainable.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 3, 2019 12:34:43 GMT -5
Tom Caron Verified account @tomcaron After his first start, Alex Cora said: "So which one would you take? (Sale) throwing 99 in March and April or him pitching in the World Series?" Tonight, Sale has gone 5 IP giving up 1 run with a fastball of 90 mph. He is doing exactly what his manager wants him to do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2019 12:42:11 GMT -5
Last year 94.32, 92.99, 93.91, and 90.82. So I'm not worried about direction or how long it takes him to reach full speed. You certainly don't like 92.77 and 89.86 yet his second start isn't even down a full MPH from his 4th start last year. I'm not going to worry unless it keeps going down. For all we know this is by design to help him stay fresh and the results were darn good.
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Post by gerry on Apr 3, 2019 12:46:24 GMT -5
NESN didn't really show him running until he was beyond 1st. He was moving at a good clip and then took one slow step (I think he was trying to gauge where the ball was) and then he turned on the jets trying to make it to 3b. The hesitation was very slight, but that's all it took. He has been battling through a leg injury which is a bit of a factor, but it's also possible that he thought his ball was gone. Either way I don't remember seeing him job down the 1b line. The way the Sox are going they would have stranded him anyways. Also to those who want to think XB was dogging it, absolutely not. Cut it out. The entire stadium initially thought that drive was a HR, but Xander didn’t act that way. He ran hard. Literally half the fans on the 1B side (that’s how many Sox fans were there) were on their feet screaming, certain it was a HR. Then momentary mass confusion, about a second’s worth, when we realized it wasn’t. We had a better (elevated) view than Xander, (but not as clear as the TV view) and we didn’t know if it was caught or if it was a hard single or a double. When Xander figured it out and took off, a fan behind me said that’s the fastest home run trot he ever saw. That’s how confusing the play was from the 1B side. And finally, nobody in that stadium thought that throw was possible. If the TV saw him hesitate at any point, there was very good reason, as he had no easy decisions there. That’s just how the whole game went.
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