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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by philarhody on Jun 20, 2019 23:12:55 GMT -5
...I don't for a second think he's Smart either. Right, that's why he needs to shoot well :-) |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 1:30:45 GMT -5
He's ignoring all communication from the Celtics like a giant f'ing baby. He's ghosting them. Well that's what was in the video anyway, not the article. Kyrie just had a meeting with the Celtics. He's leaving via free agency. He's free to do whatever he wants. Don't like the star players of the NBA? Then don't follow it. A lot of people are making stories out of nothing because they hate the player. Danny has no reason to lie about this either. So let's review, Kyire's biggest problems in Boston were- -His contract was up -He got hurt in his first year here when things were going well -He didn't mix well with a bunch of young players that didn't know how to fill roles and he was on a flawed team in general in the second year here -He is going to sign with a rival team (best excuse for hating him) -He was weird -He thought the earth was flat All of this makes him the worst player alive? Really? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 4:10:25 GMT -5
I'd like to take a look at the roster-
Guards-
Rozier (for now)
Edwards
Smart
Langford
Brown
Wings-
Tatum
Semi
Hayward
Bigs-
Yabu
Robert Williams
Grant Williams
Theis
You're horrible at the big position right now. You have to upgrade here, no matter what you do this off-season. If that's your big core, you're going to get pushed around in this league.
Also, there's too many wings and guards. You'd hope a team with cap space who wants to take a shot at Hayward would be okay with taking him. There's a lot of mouths to feed for them even after all the departures.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 4:16:45 GMT -5
I did like the draft. Langford is definitely a Danny Ainge kind of pick where Langford makes everyone look foolish in 2 years for dropping that far.
Grant looks like a backup power forward, who will only fill a role.
Edwards is a spark plug kind of player. Comes in, gives you 13 quick points while probably giving you no defense, and then goes back to the bench because he's a liability defensively. Good backup point guard on a bench role. He'll matchup well on offense against other team's benches.
The Celtics bench could be a strength because of this draft this year. I don't know how you spread some of the minutes around though.
I think you're going to have to renounce a player like Yabu to make some room, maybe even another player or two. The roster has to be getting full, even before free agency.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 5:21:05 GMT -5
How great would it be if Durant porked Kyrie and signed in Boston 😂🤣😂 "The Warriors, Nets, Knicks, and Clippers will all be “significant considerations” for Kevin Durant in free agency this summer, according to Wojnarowski. “One thing I’m told is he is really focused on making his decision independently of anyone else and that includes Kyrie Irving,” Woj said of Durant, per RealGM. “He’s at a point in his career where he’s going to decide really essentially on a four-year deal elsewhere or a five-year deal with Golden State, where he’s going to spend the rest of his prime.” He's not even giving Boston a minute of his time this off-season. You were right in saying that Kyrie isn't a big part of his decision though. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 5:28:03 GMT -5
...I don't for a second think he's Smart either. Right, that's why he needs to shoot well :-) So you think he's like Smart? I get hating the pick if you feel that way, but he's not Smart, like not even close. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 5:31:07 GMT -5
Right, that's why he needs to shoot well :-) So you think he's like Smart? I get hating the pick if you feel that way, but he's not Smart, like not even close. I think he was joking around and saying he's not Smart defensively, so that's why he needs to shoot well. That's why I liked it, I thought it was more of a joke kind of a thing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 5:32:44 GMT -5
How great would it be if Durant porked Kyrie and signed in Boston 😂🤣😂 "The Warriors, Nets, Knicks, and Clippers will all be “significant considerations” for Kevin Durant in free agency this summer, according to Wojnarowski. “One thing I’m told is he is really focused on making his decision independently of anyone else and that includes Kyrie Irving,” Woj said of Durant, per RealGM. “He’s at a point in his career where he’s going to decide really essentially on a four-year deal elsewhere or a five-year deal with Golden State, where he’s going to spend the rest of his prime.” He's not even giving Boston a minute of his time this off-season. You were right in saying that Kyrie isn't a big part of his decision though. Why would he give Boston a meeting if they didn’t have the cap space? If they created it, maybe thar changes. Word is that you boy Vucevic is their top target. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 5:39:03 GMT -5
I'd like to take a look at the roster- Guards- Rozier (for now) Edwards Smart Langford Brown Wings- Tatum Semi Hayward Bigs- Yabu Robert Williams Grant Williams Theis You're horrible at the big position right now. You have to upgrade here, no matter what you do this off-season. If that's your big core, you're going to get pushed around in this league. Also, there's too many wings and guards. You'd hope a team with cap space who wants to take a shot at Hayward would be okay with taking him. There's a lot of mouths to feed for them even after all the departures. Yeah given the draft was loaded with bigs, they traded Baynes and will lose Horford, it would seem the free agent target is a big. They had a chance to load up on bigs, yet loaded up on guards. Also don't sleep on Waters in the second round, he could be a good player. You want max cap space and guys like Theis and Semi are also gone also. Yet it makes sense, you can find bigs on the cheap easier than guards in free agency now a days. Yet we have our first real information and it seems center or PF is going to be Danny's target in free agency most likely. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 5:42:02 GMT -5
www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/wojs-latest-durant-kawhi-vucevic.html?fv-home=true&post-id=130283"The Warriors, Nets, Knicks, and Clippers will all be “significant considerations” for Kevin Durant in free agency this summer, according to Wojnarowski. “One thing I’m told is he is really focused on making his decision independently of anyone else and that includes Kyrie Irving,” Woj said of Durant, per RealGM. “He’s at a point in his career where he’s going to decide really essentially on a four-year deal elsewhere or a five-year deal with Golden State, where he’s going to spend the rest of his prime.” He's not even giving Boston a minute of his time this off-season. You were right in saying that Kyrie isn't a big part of his decision though. Why would he give Boston a meeting if they didn’t have the cap space? If they created it, maybe thar changes. Word is that you boy Vucevic is their top target. Is that legit or just what was said in the draft that sounded like he'd be a good fit? Like I'd much rather a Randle. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 5:44:34 GMT -5
I'd like to take a look at the roster- Guards- Rozier (for now) Edwards Smart Langford Brown Wings- Tatum Semi Hayward Bigs- Yabu Robert Williams Grant Williams Theis You're horrible at the big position right now. You have to upgrade here, no matter what you do this off-season. If that's your big core, you're going to get pushed around in this league. Also, there's too many wings and guards. You'd hope a team with cap space who wants to take a shot at Hayward would be okay with taking him. There's a lot of mouths to feed for them even after all the departures. Yeah given the draft was loaded with bigs, they traded Baynes and will lose Horford, it would seem the free agent target is a big. They had a chance to load up on bigs, yet loaded up on guards. Also don't sleep on Waters in the second round, he could be a good player. You want max cap space and guys like Theis and Semi are also gone also. Yet it makes sense, you can find bigs on the cheap easier than guards in free agency now a days. Yet we have our first real information and it seems center or PF is going to be Danny's target in free agency most likely. Semi is likely gone? He was a big part of this bench at one point. That's a move that would kill depth. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 5:46:14 GMT -5
www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/wojs-latest-durant-kawhi-vucevic.html?fv-home=true&post-id=130283"The Warriors, Nets, Knicks, and Clippers will all be “significant considerations” for Kevin Durant in free agency this summer, according to Wojnarowski. “One thing I’m told is he is really focused on making his decision independently of anyone else and that includes Kyrie Irving,” Woj said of Durant, per RealGM. “He’s at a point in his career where he’s going to decide really essentially on a four-year deal elsewhere or a five-year deal with Golden State, where he’s going to spend the rest of his prime.” He's not even giving Boston a minute of his time this off-season. You were right in saying that Kyrie isn't a big part of his decision though. Why would he give Boston a meeting if they didn’t have the cap space? If they created it, maybe thar changes. Word is that you boy Vucevic is their top target. Now THAT is my boy. I've wanted Vucevic for years now on this team because of all the past rebounding issues. However given his age at 29, I hope he's the last guy they pursue. They got to find young star talent like Russell or Randle and sign them first. Add- What Umass said. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 5:52:33 GMT -5
So you think he's like Smart? I get hating the pick if you feel that way, but he's not Smart, like not even close. I think he was joking around and saying he's not Smart defensively, so that's why he needs to shoot well. That's why I liked it, I thought it was more of a joke kind of a thing. Given his multiple posts on not liking the pick I don't think it was a joke. If you watch some tape on him, you wish Smart had the moves Langford has. Like Langford is a scorer, Smart thinks he's a scorer, but doesn't have the skills. I don't get hating the pick, he was one of the better upside guys on the board. He also fits the team Danny has been building for years as a two way player. I would have loved to see if Danny took him still if Herro was still there and I bet he does. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 5:58:17 GMT -5
Yeah given the draft was loaded with bigs, they traded Baynes and will lose Horford, it would seem the free agent target is a big. They had a chance to load up on bigs, yet loaded up on guards. Also don't sleep on Waters in the second round, he could be a good player. You want max cap space and guys like Theis and Semi are also gone also. Yet it makes sense, you can find bigs on the cheap easier than guards in free agency now a days. Yet we have our first real information and it seems center or PF is going to be Danny's target in free agency most likely. Semi is likely gone? He was a big part of this bench at one point. That's a move that would kill depth. If you want max space, his deal isn't guaranteed. When you see these max figures he's not included. Doesn't mean he's gone, but if you need the extra money he is. Like they are waiting and stretching Yabu from offering a full max to guys like Randle while keeping Rozier's rights. Right now at like 25.8 million, full max is like 27 million. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 6:08:39 GMT -5
Semi is likely gone? He was a big part of this bench at one point. That's a move that would kill depth. If you want max space, his deal isn't guaranteed. When you see these max figures he's not included. Doesn't mean he's gone, but if you need the extra money he is. Like they are waiting and stretching Yabu from offering a full max to guys like Randle while keeping Rozier's rights. Right now at like 25.8 million, full max is like 27 million. Randle won’t get a full max deal. At least I doubt it... not enough teams with the space to offer it and too many good players. I don’t think a team like Brooklyn or the Knicks will Be shy about rolling their cap space over versus over spending on subpar guys. Randle is a terrible guy to spend big on for them but makes sense for the Celtics who have one shot. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 6:23:40 GMT -5
Overall I really like the draft, yet it's like a Patriot draft in that the grade can't just be tied to the picks. The Baynes trade is great if that move gets you a guy like Randle while keeping Rozier, or gets you a better free agent we might not even be thinking about. Yet the series of moves also cost you a guy like Clarke and what sucks more is he went to the Grizz.
The whole Okeke thing just sucks, like I wanted the guy. Yet Stevens is already talking about running an offense through Williams. So they value his skills a ton and he's very skilled. Yet he looks like a PF only. He doesn't have Horford's size or athletic ability.
I'm just a little surprised they didn't go for a guy that can also be a small ball five, yet maybe that's good, because they are going to target Randle. Also a little surprised at the Langford and Edwards combo. Like Langford's size is perfect to play them together, yet they are both score first type players that need the ball. It's just a very interesting pairing given Stevens system. Yet Waters is a good passer, he's just tiny. Danny clearly misses the Thomas days lol.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 6:37:41 GMT -5
If you want max space, his deal isn't guaranteed. When you see these max figures he's not included. Doesn't mean he's gone, but if you need the extra money he is. Like they are waiting and stretching Yabu from offering a full max to guys like Randle while keeping Rozier's rights. Right now at like 25.8 million, full max is like 27 million. Randle won’t get a full max deal. At least I doubt it... not enough teams with the space to offer it and too many good players. I don’t think a team like Brooklyn or the Knicks will Be shy about rolling their cap space over versus over spending on subpar guys. Randle is a terrible guy to spend big on for them but makes sense for the Celtics who have one shot. I hope you're right, but Danny clearly wants the option to offer it if he needs to. I wouldn't be thrilled maxing Randle, but it's better than a lot of other options. I'd like to lock up Brown early and not play the restricted game with him. I also think people are sleeping on Randle, who just keeps getting better every year. Like seen free agent lists that have Horford at 7 and Randle in the 20s. I don't get that, they are closer than that and it won't be long, maybe next year where Randle is the better player. Like if his shoot improves just a little more Randle could easily be an All-star. Given the Roster it's almost like Randle or bust, he just is the perfect fit of need, upside, while being the perfect age. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 6:41:47 GMT -5
Randle won’t get a full max deal. At least I doubt it... not enough teams with the space to offer it and too many good players. I don’t think a team like Brooklyn or the Knicks will Be shy about rolling their cap space over versus over spending on subpar guys. Randle is a terrible guy to spend big on for them but makes sense for the Celtics who have one shot. I hope you're right, but Danny clearly wants the option to offer it if he needs to. I wouldn't be thrilled maxing Randle, but it's better than a lot of other options. I'd like to lock up Brown early and not play the restricted game with him. I also think people are sleeping on Randle, who just keeps getting better every year. Like seen free agent lists that have Horford at 7 and Randle in the 20s. I don't get that, they are closer than that and it won't be long, maybe next year where Randle is the better player. Like if his shoot improves just a little more Randle could easily be an All-star. Given the Roster it's almost like Randle or bust, he just is the perfect fit of need, upside, while being the perfect age. If Randle is going to the team that offers the most money, then you almost have to do it if you're the Celtics. Agreed on him being the number one and maybe only target. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 7:57:24 GMT -5
I have zero issue with going 4 years with our cap space on Randle or Vucevic. You know how I feel about NBA spending - the timing is right. I’d prefer Randle but Vucevic might be the best fit especially if his improved D and 3 point shooting is legit.
He’s 28 turns 29 in October so you do have him for prime years and I do think they are still trying to win today.
Either way - one of those 2 makes me happy. I’d rank Randle first tho due to youth even though the 7 footer is probably better for the team.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2019 8:03:31 GMT -5
After this past season, I hope they spend some time focusing on fit too. Not just getting a bunch of guys who score.
If you're going to build around Tatum and Brown, build around them. Find players who compliment what they do.
We may disagree on who was at fault for last year but we clearly should on the fact that a bunch of guys who felt they could and should be 20ppg guys was not the right mix.
EDIT - to be clear, I'm not suggesting Randle or Vuc would be bad fits. Just saying I hope they take it into consideration when exploring the market.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 21, 2019 8:44:15 GMT -5
They couldn't get to the line, they added guys that can. They had chemistry issues, they'll address that with whoever they trade/trade for or sign.
Defense at guard looks like it might be an issue tho with our new micros and we have to do something(s) on the rebound end. Trade for Clint(or has that horse left the barn), sign Randle?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 8:45:42 GMT -5
Well they didn't help themselves in the draft, if you want team first guys. Like Williams and Waters are those guys, yet Langford and Edwards aren't. I like both Langford and Edwards, little surprised they took both players after last year. Steven's has some work to do with those guys.
Yet both Randle and Vuc are known as good and willing passers. If you really wanted to change the Culture you might need a Rubio instead of Rozier. Right now your guards are all shoot first types. Rozier does a nice job running the offense, but a Rubio would really change things and a guy like Edwards is the perfect running mate for him.
Anyone else nervous they keep Morris and let Rozier go? Like if you sign Vuc I can see Danny doing that if you want to win. The team is very guard heavy even before adding Rozier, yet needs bigs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 9:18:29 GMT -5
hoopshype.com/2019/04/29/nba-free-agency-2019-the-top-players/This is better than some lists, yet you kinda see the problem. Not many players are worth the max at a position we need. Outside Randle and Vuc, two guys I don't even think are really max guys, there isn't much. I want no part of Harris and Cousins is risky and certainly not a perfect fit chemistry wise. Add in Russell, but if they wanted him they sure aren't making the roster moves you'd expect. They could have dumped Rozier, Kept Baynes and signed Russell to begin with.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2019 9:29:42 GMT -5
Would argue that dropping 15-25M on someone is a tad different than drafting a guy 14th or 33rd.
As of now, is there even an obvious spot in the rotation for Langford? His fit is a ways away depending on what they do the rest of the offseason.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2019 9:43:38 GMT -5
Well they didn't help themselves in the draft, if you want team first guys. Like Williams and Waters are those guys, yet Langford and Edwards aren't. I like both Langford and Edwards, little surprised they took both players after last year. Steven's has some work to do with those guys. Yet both Randle and Vuc are known as good and willing passers. If you really wanted to change the Culture you might need a Rubio instead of Rozier. Right now your guards are all shoot first types. Rozier does a nice job running the offense, but a Rubio would really change things and a guy like Edwards is the perfect running mate for him. Anyone else nervous they keep Morris and let Rozier go? Like if you sign Vuc I can see Danny doing that if you want to win. The team is very guard heavy even before adding Rozier, yet needs bigs. You might want to start saying pass first versus team first. Or not just a suggestion. |
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